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07/25/2014 12:15:16 PM · #26
Originally posted by scalvert:

It's been a long time since someone complained that a toned monochromatic image wasn't B&W. I'm surprised there are still people who think that way.

Not that long ...

Black and White Thinking
07/25/2014 12:37:07 PM · #27
Originally posted by Dudski:

Originally posted by vawendy:


+1.

Ultimately, the voters decide what fits and what doesn't. And post challenge discussions are good. When you take a picture in color, you get all kinds of color seeping in -- yellows in the warmth of the lighting, blues in the shadows. If you take a picture of something that is black and white, yet you get other colors -- is it still a picture of black and white? technically, it's a picture of black and white -- but it's not a black and white picture. :)


You learn / discover something new every day it seems. Still pretty stoked on my ribbon though :)


Absolutely!! Enjoy the ribbon. :) This is nothing compared to the flack I got for entering a bird in a masters' free study. The shame!
07/25/2014 12:39:16 PM · #28
I think most voters try to do the best they can. And I believe most try to consider if a photo meets the challenge. I actually didn't vote on this particular image b/c I wasn't sure it hadn't come from my team and time ran out before I double checked.

We have so few voters, do we really want to alienate them? (99% of the time I'm one of them. It feels a little harsh to be criticized for not having the exact/strict understanding of a challenge that those with longtime experience might have.)

And boy is difference in the photo examples Shannon posted subtle. I do see a bit of blue, but since there was no challenge description I would not have realized this wasn't a true monochrome image.
07/25/2014 01:18:07 PM · #29
I guess there is a plus to being somewhat color blind LOL

I can't tell the difference in any of them! LOL
07/25/2014 01:31:20 PM · #30
to me ts fine... here is why... the challenge was black and white. not monochrome.
07/25/2014 01:36:23 PM · #31
Originally posted by scalvert:

Just so everyone knows what we're talking about...

Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1124744.jpg = OK

Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1124745.jpg = OK

Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1124744.jpg + Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1124745.jpg = Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1123607.jpg = OMG! A pox upon you stupid DPC voters for allowing this veritable rainbow of non-color!

Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1124746.jpg = Blue ribbon


Sounds good to me:)
07/26/2014 07:22:20 AM · #32
Originally posted by Mike:

to me ts fine... here is why... the challenge was black and white. not monochrome.


With that logic it should be even more DNMC as there's only one small section in the middle that is "black and white" (i.e. desaturated of all color). "Monochrome" is the prevailing definition for "B&W Photography" since it allows for the various types of toning that people like to use, and there have been plenty of arguments here and elsewhere that support it as such.

What you have here are two distinct areas of saturation and hue - a mildly sepia-toned image running between 8-15% saturation, with a completely desaturated object in the middle. It is either "selective color" or "selective desaturation", but it is neither "black and white" nor "monochrome".

Message edited by author 2014-07-26 07:23:37.
07/26/2014 08:57:22 AM · #33
Can't we all just sit around the camp fire and hold hands while singing Kumbaya?

Who wants to sit next to me?
Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1064853.jpg

Message edited by author 2014-07-26 08:59:21.
07/26/2014 09:46:12 AM · #34
We can and I will let Mike sit next to you as a treat.
07/26/2014 09:57:58 AM · #35
I'm sorry. I just see double standards.

The definition of black and white:
(Of a photograph, film, television programme, etc.) in black, white, shades of grey, and no other colour.
07/26/2014 10:03:17 AM · #36
If the marble weren't grey, it might have won. I bet you're kicking yourself, 21.gif dudski.
07/26/2014 10:27:01 AM · #37
Originally posted by Nicht:

I'm sorry. I just see double standards.

The definition of black and white:
(Of a photograph, film, television programme, etc.) in black, white, shades of grey, and no other colour.

Remember that photography is an art form, and as with all art forms, interpretation is left to the viewer and creator. Like it, great! Not so much? Move on to the next one.

Life's too short to get too narrow with trying to define what is and what isn't ______________.

Fill in the blank.
07/26/2014 11:09:54 AM · #38
Originally posted by Garry:

Can't we all just sit around the camp fire and hold hands while singing Kumbaya?

Who wants to sit next to me?
Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1064853.jpg


Pass the bottle.
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07/26/2014 01:53:57 PM · #39
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Nicht:

I'm sorry. I just see double standards.

The definition of black and white:
(Of a photograph, film, television programme, etc.) in black, white, shades of grey, and no other colour.

Remember that photography is an art form, and as with all art forms, interpretation is left to the viewer and creator. Like it, great! Not so much? Move on to the next one.

Life's too short to get too narrow with trying to define what is and what isn't ______________.

Fill in the blank.


We're not arguing "art", we're talking about "challenges" (contests, with winners) at a place where some rules are enforced with fascist-like intolerance, and others don't seem to be rules at all. In essence, every challenge here is a free study with suggested guidelines put in place by the powers that be, but left to the whim of the voters to enforce. And from what I've seen, they are want to hold a good photo to those guidelines, and reward both it and the occasional recognizable face just because it's in the 800px box in front of them.

Message edited by author 2014-07-26 13:54:57.
07/26/2014 01:55:17 PM · #40
Never did quite understand the concept behind some of the voting...ROFL!!! A lot of pictures that deserved to get at least a nine, yet didn't then the 1 color did. Interesting O_o
07/26/2014 02:22:58 PM · #41
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Nicht:

I'm sorry. I just see double standards.

The definition of black and white:
(Of a photograph, film, television programme, etc.) in black, white, shades of grey, and no other colour.

Remember that photography is an art form, and as with all art forms, interpretation is left to the viewer and creator. Like it, great! Not so much? Move on to the next one.

Life's too short to get too narrow with trying to define what is and what isn't ______________.

Fill in the blank.


We're not arguing "art", we're talking about "challenges" (contests, with winners) at a place where some rules are enforced with fascist-like intolerance, and others don't seem to be rules at all. In essence, every challenge here is a free study with suggested guidelines put in place by the powers that be, but left to the whim of the voters to enforce. And from what I've seen, they are want to hold a good photo to those guidelines, and reward both it and the occasional recognizable face just because it's in the 800px box in front of them.


Challenge descriptions are not "rules" and they never have been. SC would resign en masse if we were tasked to validate the challenge relevance of individual entries. That would be absolutely crippling of artistic license. On a few occasions we have actually flagged some quantifiable, measurable aspect of the challenge description as a DQable territory, and as often as not we've been met with howls of outrage and cries of "fascism" when we do THAT.

07/26/2014 04:14:34 PM · #42
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

. . . we're talking about "challenges" (contests, with winners) at a place where some rules are enforced with fascist-like intolerance, and others don't seem to be rules at all. . . .


I actually think you have it right.
Some rules are enforced. See Challenges > Challenge Rules

And some aren't rules at all. See Challenge Titles and Descriptions (if and when they are there)

That's the way it is here. The "rules" are enforced to the best of the collective ability of the site council. And the "not rules at all" are "left to the whim of the voters to enforce". I happen to like it just fine :) Usually I agree with SC on a DQ, sometimes I don't. So be it. Sometimes I agree with the collective "wisdom" of the voters when it comes to top finishers, sometimes I don't. So be it.
07/26/2014 04:44:49 PM · #43
I love that this huge controversy is still an active topic. There were a total of 7 votes below the score of 5. So obviously voters liked the image enough to forgive this travesty. I'm not really sure what the argument is about. I'm just guessing we will see many more feathers in upcoming challenges.
Personally, I blame myself for not scoring higher with a truly black n white image. Don't blame the voters - blame the other photographers! - which, in many cases, are the same people lol

Message edited by author 2014-07-26 16:46:28.
07/26/2014 10:59:51 PM · #44
Originally posted by tate:

I love that this huge controversy is still an active topic. There were a total of 7 votes below the score of 5. So obviously voters liked the image enough to forgive this travesty.


I was one of those seven and i didn't notice it wasn't monochromatic.
08/07/2014 08:48:29 AM · #45
I just feel I want to point this out: in that B&W challenge, 1st, 2nd and last (while being perceived as being in colour) were all monochromatic, they each had reds (and yellows). The difference is simply that first and second were less saturated.

Votes are votes, and I agree with that 100%. It's just the double standard that bothers me. On the last photo all the comments (excluding one) had something to say about the colour. The blue had no comments about the colour. IMO, if you apply a standard or rule to one, you should apply it to all.
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