"Wheels" challenge results recalculated

07/20/2014 02:03:51 AM · #51

Rather than answering the same questions over and over again, let's try a different approach. Based upon my understanding of the Artwork rule, this is how I vote:

Stagolee

Kodak Easyshare C180

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

07/20/2014 02:14:48 AM · #52

Originally posted by scalvert:

Rather than answering the same questions over and over again, let's try a different approach. Based upon my understanding of the Artwork rule, this is how I vote:

Nice breakdown! Where is the artwork rule written on the site? I've been looking and can't see it in the individual rule-sets.

Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 DL Macro for Nikon

07/20/2014 02:16:28 AM · #53

It's at the end of "You may" in each ruleset.

Nadine_Vb

Nikon D2X

07/20/2014 03:22:36 AM · #54

Originally posted by scalvert:

Rather than answering the same questions over and over again, let's try a different approach. Based upon my understanding of the Artwork rule, this is how I vote:

Thank you Shannon. This is,a great help.

Leo

Apple iPhone Xr

07/20/2014 03:43:41 AM · #55

Originally posted by Stagolee:

Originally posted by scalvert:
Rather than answering the same questions over and over again, let's try a different approach. Based upon my understanding of the Artwork rule, this is how I vote:

Nice breakdown! Where is the artwork rule written on the site? I've been looking and can't see it in the individual rule-sets.

I believe the "artwork rule" being referred to is in every rule set.
This is the advanced rule set.
See under "Requirements", subsection "You May", then the last bullet point, which is underlined.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

07/20/2014 02:29:44 PM · #56

so had this challenge been titled "thinking" or "thoughts" or something... would it still have been dq'd?

raish

Olympus C-2500L

07/20/2014 02:45:13 PM · #57

Originally posted by Mike:

so had this challenge been titled "thinking" or "thoughts" or something... would it still have been dq'd?

still ran all the way down the right side of the flow chart for me

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

07/20/2014 02:46:47 PM · #58

Originally posted by Mike:

so had this challenge been titled "thinking" or "thoughts" or something... would it still have been dq'd?

Yes.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/20/2014 11:00:28 PM · #59

Originally posted by raish:

Originally posted by Mike:
so had this challenge been titled "thinking" or "thoughts" or something... would it still have been dq'd?

still ran all the way down the right side of the flow chart for me

I fell off the flow chart at "photorealistic". Even the tattooed lady didn't think it was a photo.

07/20/2014 11:11:32 PM · #60

Originally posted by posthumous:

I fell off the flow chart at "photorealistic."

Yes, you did. It's not about whether you intuitively THINK it's a photo, but whether it's a visually apparent piece of paper or monitor vs. just the photorealistic objects depicted.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/20/2014 11:20:26 PM · #61

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by posthumous:
I fell off the flow chart at "photorealistic."

Yes, you did. It's not about whether you intuitively THINK it's a photo, but whether it's a visually apparent piece of paper or monitor vs. just the photorealistic objects depicted.

Oh, so Art fooled us into believing a drawing placed on the skin was a tattoo, which is ... um... a drawing on the skin.

Or he fooled us into believing that his brain is a drawing of gears, and if he hadn't done such a good job, he wouldn't have been DQ'd.

Coming in loud and clear.

07/20/2014 11:50:47 PM · #62

Originally posted by posthumous:

Oh, so Art fooled us...

No, you either didn't read or didn't understand my last post. A photo of a tattoo is not a photo of a photo, and the plausibility of that being an actual window into a skull is not relevant to whether the item photographed was an existing photo or actual gears, a mirror, tricky double exposure or other capture of real objects in the scene. Knowing that Ken [probably] doesn't have a hole in his head revealing gears inside tells you nothing about whether the inset items were real.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G

07/21/2014 07:28:50 AM · #63

This ruling is probably why I dont feel the urge participate much here anymore.

nygold

Nikon D5000

07/21/2014 07:40:24 AM · #64

I understand why he was DQ'd but is there a way to do it legally?

LN13

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 15-85mm IS USM

07/21/2014 08:24:03 AM · #65

Originally posted by nygold:

I understand why he was DQ'd but is there a way to do it legally?

Get a tattoo

P-A-U-L

Canon EOS R6

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

07/21/2014 08:37:25 AM · #66

Originally posted by nygold:

I understand why he was DQ'd but is there a way to do it legally?

Not without the use of scalpels and blood:)

07/21/2014 09:00:51 AM · #67

I'm guessing this would be illegal too?
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07/21/2014 09:04:19 AM · #68

Originally posted by nygold:

I understand why he was DQ'd but is there a way to do it legally?

Sure, several. Glue together plastic gears and cut around them with a bandsaw. Cut out a section of mirror and shoot with gears or wheels behind you. Use a tricky double exposure setup. Print gears as a negative on a transparency and show the model holding the [obvious] print as an "x-ray". Sketch the wheels in pencil or crayon so the artwork isn't photorealistic.

I had the same idea for this challenge, but went in a different direction.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

07/21/2014 09:06:22 AM · #69

Originally posted by Mike:

I'm guessing this would be illegal too?

That would have been perfectly fine since it shows the edges of the frame/monitor, so the "artwork" is visually obvious.

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tate

Apple iPhone 14 Pro

07/21/2014 09:32:53 AM · #70

A lot of room to keep this debate going on forever. however, I think I get it -- if I'm understanding this right,
this image

would have been DQ'd if the MAIN subject of the photo was the (printed photo of a) fish and the bowl. Since it was not the primary and main element, it is legal , correct?

ShaneBlake

Nikon D7100

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Nikon

07/21/2014 09:38:14 AM · #71

Legal Entry :

Illegal Outtake:

07/21/2014 09:49:46 AM · #72

Originally posted by tate:

would have been DQ'd if the MAIN subject of the photo was the (printed photo of a) fish and the bowl. Since it was not the primary and main element, it is legal , correct?

Yes, you got it! Take out the fish and the entry is still fairly viable. If the fish was real and I used a Cat in the Hat cardboard cutout as the main model, that would have been a DQ.

07/21/2014 11:07:15 AM · #73

i'm still confused...

i just dont see the criteria in which Ken's entry is illegal... anyone who looks it knows it was not real and it was printed out and stuck on his head.

to me its either ban the practice or allow it. too much interpretation.