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09/17/2004 05:25:40 AM · #1
I recently hear much more recommendations to get the D70 over the 300D, though more site users have the 300D.

Any specific reason ?
09/17/2004 05:27:54 AM · #2
Being cheaper and available before the D70, I'd imagine..

We soooo don't need another D70 vs. 300D thread. :)
09/17/2004 05:43:37 AM · #3
Oh lets not and say we did. Please? :)

Clara
09/17/2004 09:13:47 AM · #4
well the 300d has been out a LOT longer than the d70. and yes, it's cheaper. so i would say that's probably one good reason.

it's an apples-to-oranges comparison though (as far as how many members have each camera)
09/17/2004 09:20:36 AM · #5
Originally posted by s4nd3r99:

I recently hear much more recommendations to get the D70 over the 300D, though more site users have the 300D.

Any specific reason ?


Hi Alexander...that's definitely a valid question (although 10d vs. d70 seems like a closer matchup), but I think it's on so many people's minds that it's constantly brought up in forums. If you do a search for this in the forums, you should find plenty of debate that may help you in your decision...and we might just be able to avoid another canon vs. nikon thread!
09/17/2004 09:21:13 AM · #6
Is the question why do people recommend the D70 over the 300D, or why more people have the 300D?

I'm confused!
09/17/2004 10:11:07 AM · #7
Originally posted by ganders:

Is the question why do people recommend the D70 over the 300D, or why more people have the 300D?

I'm confused!


Yes, that's right. So what's your opinion?
09/17/2004 10:15:59 AM · #8
Originally posted by s4nd3r99:

I recently hear much more recommendations to get the D70 over the 300D, though more site users have the 300D.

Any specific reason ?

I'd like to think it is because people are being smart.

When you make the choice between Canon and Nikon, you are buying into a camera system. Although some features of one camera body may seem "way better" than the features on the body of the "other" company right now, in a few months time, that can all change. On the other hand, lenses, especially decent lenses, will last you a very long time -- and will continue to work as new bodies are released. In my opinion, you are usually much better off spending money on glass. A cheapo lens on the most expensive DSLR will give you very poor quality pictures; however, a top-of-the-line fast prime on the cheapest DSLR will produce outstanding pictures.

As an example, look at the position that all of the Digital Rebel/300D owners are in right now. They bought the most inexpensive DSLR available, by now may have built up a little collection of EF lenses, have a Canon flash, a spare battery or two, etc. Now Canon introduces the 20D, which by all accounts, looks to be the killer DSLR. 8.2 megapixels, 5 FPS, new AF system, etc. etc. All those DRebel owners can now upgrade... by selling their DRebel body and buying the 20D, for an incremental cost they can move up to a greatly improved feature set, re-using everything they already own! Compare that to somebody with a D100 or D70 that wanted to switch to the 20D -- they would be forced to sell all of their Nikon lenses, flashes, etc. and re-buy the Canon versions. Nothing says that just because you own or started with a DRebel that that will be the only Canon DSLR you'll ever use!

Also, don't forget that Canon is still the leader in DSLR technology. They already have a full-frame DSLR (which Nikon does not), as well as the fastest DSLR. Even Nikon's just-announced D2X, which won't be available until January 2005, cannot compete with Canon's 1D Mark II (which has been out since April) for sports. The D2X is still only a 1.5X crop factor (just like all of Nikon's DSLR's) and to achieve 8 frames per second, they have to utilize only a portion of the sensor, resulting in a 6.8 MP image. The 1D Mark II handily captures full 8.2 MP photos at 8.5 frames per second for 40 frames! (And note that Canon hasn't even announced the much-anticipated replacement for the 1Ds yet...) So another reason a lot of people join "Team Canon" is because they know Canon's DSLR advancements will "trickle down" to their prosumer stuff.

Finally, don't forget that Canon dominates the media outlets. So if anybody is thinking of "going pro", shooting Canon makes sense, even if you start with the DRebel and slowly build up a lens collection before moving on to a better body. I've heard that over 80% of the US media outlets shoot with Canon gear... check out some of these shots of the 2004 Olympics or the Deomcratic National Convention, and notice all the white lenses in these photos... it is kinda hard to argue with...

Message edited by author 2004-09-17 10:28:29.
09/17/2004 10:20:43 AM · #9
D2X, Eddy..
09/17/2004 10:28:40 AM · #10
Right, D2X. =] Thanks Paul.
09/17/2004 11:12:44 AM · #11
I would still argue that it is not the camera that makes the photographer, but the photographer that makes the camera, so be as educated about a camera choice as possible, go forward, and stick with it, no matter what camera you would choose. You will make the best of any camera, don't let the equipment dictate your photos (I learned that the hard way!) I still only have 2 lenses!

-Danielle
09/17/2004 11:34:27 AM · #12
Originally posted by EddyG:

[quote=s4nd3r99]
As an example, look at the position that all of the Digital Rebel/300D owners are in right now. They bought the most inexpensive DSLR available, by now may have built up a little collection of EF lenses, have a Canon flash, a spare battery or two, etc. Now Canon introduces the 20D, which by all accounts, looks to be the killer DSLR. 8.2 megapixels, 5 FPS, new AF system, etc. etc. All those DRebel owners can now upgrade... by selling their DRebel body and buying the 20D, for an incremental cost they can move up to a greatly improved feature set, re-using everything they already own! Compare that to somebody with a D100 or D70 that wanted to switch to the 20D -- they would be forced to sell all of their Nikon lenses, flashes, etc. and re-buy the Canon versions.


ok, so we're comparing a canon user who wants to upgrade to canon, against a nikon user who wants to switch to canon? how is that a fair comparison. i can easily turn the argument around and say "well, a nikon user buys a d70, gets some lenses, then wants to upgrade to a d2h or a d2x, or the d100 replacement (when it comes out), compare that to someone who has a 10d with all kinda canon gear, and wants a d2x, now they have to buy it all over again". i'm not trying to be a jerk, just pointing out that that argument is not valid... any system user wanting to switch systems completely will obviously need to buy all new accessories. so that's really not a fair comparison

Message edited by author 2004-09-17 11:35:19.
09/17/2004 11:42:59 AM · #13
Originally posted by jxpfeer:

any system user wanting to switch systems completely will obviously need to buy all new accessories. so that's really not a fair comparison

My comment was in response to the question "why do more people own the Digital Rebel". I listed the "future upgrade" scenario as a possible explanation as to why somebody wouldn't choose the D70 over the DRebel, and my explanation was not intended to be a comment on "switching sides" but rather why someone might choose the low-cost DRebel now, since buying a D70 wouldn't make sense if they knew they wanted to "shoot Canon gear" (because of the wider variety of stabilized lenses, the choice of smaller/lighter DO lenses, tilt/shift lenses, the future possiblity for full-frame, etc.)

Message edited by author 2004-09-17 11:47:41.
09/17/2004 12:11:01 PM · #14
A totally non-technical comment, but here it goes:

I think the Nikon D70 looks a lot better than the Digital Rebel, AND it works great too! It's really fast. And you get stopped by a lot of people to ask what camera that is (funny thing is that so far ALL people who've stopped me to ask about the camera have been guys, no women so far. Weird.)

I think Eddy is right though, you are buying into a system, and it's very important to keep that in mind when you get a DSLR.
09/17/2004 12:23:24 PM · #15
Originally posted by ursula:

...I think the Nikon D70 looks a lot better than the Digital Rebel...


Now this I relate too. ;-) I've been known to apply this logic to the acquisition of socks, hardware, pens and all kinds of trivia.

09/17/2004 12:26:47 PM · #16
Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by ursula:

...I think the Nikon D70 looks a lot better than the Digital Rebel...


Now this I relate too. ;-) I've been known to apply this logic to the acquisition of socks, hardware, pens and all kinds of trivia.


hehe!

The aesthetics-factor was pivotal in deciding on my washing machine as well!
09/17/2004 12:34:33 PM · #17
Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by ursula:

...I think the Nikon D70 looks a lot better than the Digital Rebel...


Now this I relate too. ;-) I've been known to apply this logic to the acquisition of socks, hardware, pens and all kinds of trivia.


Hey, I apply it pretty much to everything, including onions and garlic.
09/17/2004 12:34:43 PM · #18
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by ursula:

...I think the Nikon D70 looks a lot better than the Digital Rebel...


Now this I relate too. ;-) I've been known to apply this logic to the acquisition of socks, hardware, pens and all kinds of trivia.


hehe!

The aesthetics-factor was pivotal in deciding on my washing machine as well!


And in deciding my car - (which is a hellava lot more expensive than my entire film AND digital Nikon system :-)
09/17/2004 12:41:02 PM · #19
With a user name like yours, I wonder about what tripod you use...
09/17/2004 12:52:19 PM · #20
Originally posted by ursula:

A totally non-technical comment, but here it goes:

I think the Nikon D70 looks a lot better than the Digital Rebel, AND it works great too! It's really fast. And you get stopped by a lot of people to ask what camera that is (funny thing is that so far ALL people who've stopped me to ask about the camera have been guys, no women so far. Weird.)

I think Eddy is right though, you are buying into a system, and it's very important to keep that in mind when you get a DSLR.


Hey when I first went to by my camera, I bought the one that looked the coolest. I had no idea on how to judge what camera was best so I chose based on the eye candy factor. I ended up buying the Finpix S7000, a very cool looking DSLR looking camera.
09/17/2004 01:00:22 PM · #21
Originally posted by WobblyLegs:



And in deciding my car - (which is a hellava lot more expensive than my entire film AND digital Nikon system :-)


I am pretty sure the money I have spent on kodachrome exceeds the value of my vehicle.
09/17/2004 02:01:32 PM · #22
Originally posted by EddyG:

Originally posted by jxpfeer:

any system user wanting to switch systems completely will obviously need to buy all new accessories. so that's really not a fair comparison

My comment was in response to the question "why do more people own the Digital Rebel". I listed the "future upgrade" scenario as a possible explanation as to why somebody wouldn't choose the D70 over the DRebel, and my explanation was not intended to be a comment on "switching sides" but rather why someone might choose the low-cost DRebel now, since buying a D70 wouldn't make sense if they knew they wanted to "shoot Canon gear" (because of the wider variety of stabilized lenses, the choice of smaller/lighter DO lenses, tilt/shift lenses, the future possiblity for full-frame, etc.)


alright i see what you mean, but i didn't see any hint of the person suggesting they'd buy a d70 now and swith to canon later, so i didn't really follow why you were making that comparison.... no it wouldn't make sense to buy a nikon body now if they were planning to later go to a canon system... i agree with you there... just didn't really see where you were going with that, so i hope i didn't offend you :)

Message edited by author 2004-09-17 14:01:49.
09/17/2004 02:37:23 PM · #23

D70 is outselling Digital Rebel by a big margin right now. It simply has a better feature set.

Camera system wise, you can't go wrong with either company. But the "D70 Kit" is FAR betteer than the Rebel kit. My wife has one, her 18-70 ED DX lens image quality wise is really comparable to my 17-40mm L. The rebel kit lens is like a plastic toy compared to the Nikon. We tried them out and both of us said "Get the Nikon". If you're interested in just the camera + the kit lens, then by all means the D70 is simply superior than 300D. It has better autofocus (much faster), good ergonomics, good noise characteristics (granular, more random, more like film grain, Regbel's noise at high ISO is similar to 10D -- patterened noise, hard to remove), SPOT metering, 1/500 flash sync, FULL featured instead of Rebel's SCALED down version and very good customization window.

Ill sday it again, the Nikon Kit lens, is really really excellent.

Nikon has probably better wide angle selection than Canon does. If you need IS, then Canon has more selection than Nikon, though Nikon is improving with their line up (300mm F2.8 VR is the latest addition).

Here are some shots by my wife on a recent trip (lenses are 18-70mm ED DX and 70-300mm ED, just "consumer" lenses):
//hazel.consultku.com/2004_trip
09/20/2004 07:36:20 AM · #24
Originally posted by zeuszen:

With a user name like yours, I wonder about what tripod you use...


A very very solid Manfrotto, old, aluminium and heavier than the latest carbon fibre jobbies, but it works.

The user name actually was first used on a motorcycling forum and chosen after a particularly hairy ride in to work, feeling shaky, hence the WobblyLegs. :-)

T
09/20/2004 10:16:22 AM · #25
Originally posted by ws6_ta:



Hey when I first went to by my camera, I bought the one that looked the coolest. I had no idea on how to judge what camera was best so I chose based on the eye candy factor. I ended up buying the Finpix S7000, a very cool looking DSLR looking camera.


and you got a good camera :) so your method can't be that bad! :)

Message edited by author 2004-09-20 10:16:38.
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