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07/26/2002 11:28:51 AM · #1
without losing the DPChallenge charm!

It wouldn't be good if u limited the # of submissions a week because everyone would rush and quality would diminish but if after the first day a photo is in the bottom 10% in overall marks then that is bye bye. You could also eliminate the next 10% every other day after that just like a lot of contests. That way the only people who would be rushed or have any type of deadline would be the voters. So three bird with one change. Photographers will try harder to snap better pictures, voters will be more aware that without voting some pictures may not be available to view and everyone who votes won't have to spend hours voting on pictures that aren't trying to meet the challenge. What do u guys think?
07/26/2002 11:32:40 AM · #2
Sounds good to me. Would make the week more interesting. Maybe each day would be a round, the highest percentage stays and the lower 10% goes.


The more I think about it the more I like it.
07/26/2002 11:34:25 AM · #3
Then the lowest ranked photographs get hardly any feedback. And presumably, they're the ones who need it most.
07/26/2002 11:36:53 AM · #4
people would no longer be able to go through and do a quick gut-reaction vote and then spend the rest of the week tweaking the votes and commenting.

where would be the incentive to vote early? why not wait until the photos have been eliminated and then just vote on the rest ...
07/26/2002 11:43:43 AM · #5
Kimbly good point but the pictures that get disqualified don't have to vanish and people could have the option to vote or comment just it wouldn't count. Also the forums can be used for the comments too.
07/26/2002 11:47:58 AM · #6
gr8photos, the incentive is to get more voters to vote period, I think. There would be no more need to rush vote and an incentive to vote early to get ur opionions to count more. Being they would be the deciding votes towards the elimiation portion.

* This message has been edited by the author on 7/26/2002 11:48:59 AM.
07/26/2002 11:54:05 AM · #7
Sorry. Bad idea.
07/26/2002 11:56:23 AM · #8
i was just trying to point out the flip-side of the coin: wait until some of the photos have dropped off so that i don't have to vote on so many photos ...

i also don't think people will be encouraged to vote on the low score photos (if they remain on display) if people's votes aren't going to count. (this responds to a comment in another post).

just my 2cents...

Originally posted by MagsCoyote:
gr8photos, the incentive is to get more voters to vote period, I think. There would be no more need to rush vote and an incentive to vote early to get ur opionions to count more. Being they would be the deciding votes towards the elimiation portion.

07/26/2002 12:32:49 PM · #9
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
Sorry. Bad idea.


I agree with Karen
07/26/2002 12:41:49 PM · #10
Karen & KD

how about some elaboration on that? Or how about some alternative ideas? Do u enjoy going thru hundreds of photos every week when some people post doodie on the road?
Consider the uniqeness, quality and popularity progression of DPChallenge web site there probably will be hundreds more in the future.
07/26/2002 12:44:02 PM · #11
Better to drop out the TOP 10%... They don't need the help :)

(Yes, I'm kidding)
07/26/2002 01:09:02 PM · #12
I like this idea...that is until my photos are in lower 10% ;)

I also agree with Kimbly and Gr8photos....these are the ones that obviously need the constructive help - however, instead of making them disappear make another forum for discussion for each of them to tell why we felt they were booted.

However...some people don't have the time to vote that early so that would be the first hurdle I think - to get everyone to vote that early without crashing the system.

But maybe the voting for eliminations could start on Tuesdays, that would give everyone a full day (or 2, pending of if you are like me and see the changing of the challengs) to view the photos and have more time to decide on the first stage of voting.

How 'bout that?
07/26/2002 01:23:52 PM · #13
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
Sorry. Bad idea.


I agree with Karen. As long as we don't have a rule where we *have to* vote on a certain % in order to submit. As the site grows I think people will tend to vote more on the good photos and let the bad ones ride. Even now, with a dial-up connection it's taking me all week to go through the list once and still get some work done.
07/26/2002 01:39:41 PM · #14
I have the following suggestions:

Divide and Conquer:

Divide the users into several sub-groups (the groups could be divided by area where they live, by camera used..or just randomly every challenge)to have smaller sub-competitions. Hold a final competition between the winners of each group to see who the grand prize winner is. Perhaps it could be up to the user to decide if he would like to be in such a sub group or to keep voting for all pictures.

Variation (my favourite):

Randomly pick x pictures from the submitted list to vote on. The number of pictures wished to be viewed (x) could be set by the user in his preferences. The default being "all pictures". This way, a user with slow connection could determine how many pictures to vote on, but wouldn''t have control over WHICH. This eliminates any biased voting. There could be a "grand prize" vote for the final 3 again...so that the voters can see the best quality photographs in each group.

Other not-so-good ideas:

- Make the time between challenges shorter. Some people will take breaks between challenges and will lower the number of entries.

- Only accept the first x pictures (x being the number which is deemed most appropriate). Keep a couple in reserve in case some get elimiated from the challenge.

Cheers
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* This message has been edited by the author on 7/26/2002 1:40:32 PM.
07/26/2002 02:38:39 PM · #15
cthenk, Excellent idea regarding giving people a few days before the 10% get disqualified.
07/26/2002 02:44:37 PM · #16
i like the idea below best. that way, we ensure that all people vote at a minimum on x random photos (and can then move on and vote on some or all of the other photos). that would also be a reasonable way of enforcing a minimum voting requirement for participation, however, i think people should be required to vote in the challenge they participate in or their photo will be dropped out of the final results.

for example, i may not submit to the corporate world challenge. i shouldn't be required to vote on that challenge to be able to submit to the next one. but if i did submit, then i should be required to vote to be able to stay in the challenge.

Originally posted by 2ndgear:
Randomly pick x pictures from the submitted list to vote on. The number of pictures wished to be viewed (x) could be set by the user in his preferences. The default being "all pictures". This way, a user with slow connection could determine how many pictures to vote on, but wouldn't have control over WHICH. This eliminates any biased voting. There could be a "grand prize" vote for the final 3 again...so that the voters can see the best quality photographs in each group.

07/26/2002 02:45:20 PM · #17
Originally posted by sheyingshi88:
"Even now, with a dial-up connection it''s taking me all week to go through the list once and still get some work done."[/i]

sheyingshi88, your last sentence just illustraits my point that by eliminating 10% (or whatever %) of the bottom 56k users dont have to take the whole week to vote. So u think DPChallenge wont grow any bigger? more photos? longer voting time?

* This message has been edited by the author on 7/26/2002 2:45:24 PM.
07/26/2002 02:52:11 PM · #18
2ndgear, now there''s some clever thinking! I agree with gr8photos when he says that variation is the best. Although, Divide & Conquer does have merit too. It would be interesting to see what (admin) Drew thinks of any of these?

Originally posted by 2ndgear:
[i]I have the following suggestions:

Divide and Conquer:
Variation (my favourite):

* This message has been edited by the author on 7/26/2002 2:52:15 PM.
07/26/2002 02:52:13 PM · #19
Originally posted by MagsCoyote:
Originally posted by sheyingshi88:
"Even now, with a dial-up connection it''s taking me all week to go through the list once and still get some work done."


sheyingshi88, your last sentence just illustraits my point that by eliminating 10% (or whatever %) of the bottom 56k users dont have to take the whole week to vote. So u think DPChallenge wont grow any bigger? more photos? longer voting time

However, it does takes some of us all week to vote. If we start eliminating pictures early in the week, those in the bottom may not get everyone''s potential input. I have seen my score change as much as a point from Monday morning to Saturday. That''s a wide variation, I think, and I am afraid some potentially higher pictures would be booted out. I think splitting the challenges somehow, and voting on the one you entered may be the best route. But, I''ve said it before,and I''ll continue saying it: I''m just here for the ride. Whatever happens, happens, and I''ll deal with it. :-)




* This message has been edited by the author on 7/26/2002 2:52:16 PM.
07/26/2002 02:58:01 PM · #20
karmat,
what do you mean by vote on the ones you entered?

How about having the eliminated pictures for users who couldn't vote before the elimination and have it where IF they get beyond the 10% mark they get back in?
07/26/2002 03:11:15 PM · #21
What's wrong with the current system? Drew and Langdon took off the minimum required votes and comments. What more could we want?

07/26/2002 03:27:10 PM · #22
Originally posted by MagsCoyote:
Karen & KD

how about some elaboration on that? Or how about some alternative ideas? Do u enjoy going thru hundreds of photos every week when some people post doodie on the road?
Consider the uniqeness, quality and popularity progression of DPChallenge web site there probably will be hundreds more in the future.



Well, Mags', for weeks there have been discussions on how to approach this impending problem of # of submissions. While I agree it will become overwhelming - and it was already getting that way with this week's challenge - I am sorry to say I do not have a suggestion, so I can not elaborate right now, only put in my opinion re: what others have suggested. Not that I'm not thinking about it, but don't want to put in an opinion that isn't thought thru.
07/26/2002 03:31:09 PM · #23
BTW: When I "reply with a quote" why does it show up on the home page as a new thread along with the one I actually posted to?
07/26/2002 03:31:23 PM · #24
Originally posted by MagsCoyote:
karmat,
what do you mean by vote on the ones you entered?

How about having the eliminated pictures for users who couldn't vote before the elimination and have it where IF they get beyond the 10% mark they get back in?



IF split into two challenges, you enter a picture in one, you need to vote on that one with an option of voting on the other, if you so choose.

07/26/2002 03:33:21 PM · #25
Originally posted by shortredneck:
What's wrong with the current system? Drew and Langdon took off the minimum required votes and comments. What more could we want?



I like the current system, too. Actually, I didn't mind the minimum requirements either. Yea, two weeks with over 200 pictures could be taxing, but I don't think that is the rule, YET. Friday afternoon, and there is 34 so far.


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