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12/07/2004 07:03:52 PM · #1
Originally posted by jammer112:

Help! I am looking to step up to a DSL. I am looking at the Canon Digital Rebel and 10D and the Nikon D70 and D100. Everyone says the Nikons are great but when I look at the images they appear soft to me. Even after just doing a shoot with a $3800 Nikon D1X, I think the images I get out of my Olympus 5050z are sharper and cleaner. What does everybody think? Do the Nikon's have a soft focus issue? Can the older Nikon D100 still compete on image quality with the newer cameras?


There is more out there then just Canon & Nikon, Olympus E-300 should be something you may want to look into.
12/07/2004 06:23:39 PM · #2
Originally posted by jadin:

I had a soft focus problem, until I adjusted the diopter. Now it's oh so pretty.


Whatchu mean adjusted teh dipoter and now it's oh so pretty? Need info: diopter, does it affect autofocus? is that also on the D70? ACK! Don't want to be missing a big piee of the puzzle if I don't have to.

By the way, a thread at www.nikonians.com mentioned a few months ago in the D70 forum that a somwhat accomplished National Geo photog carries 2 Nikon D70's in his 4 camera (lean) travel pack. Something to consider in the scheme of things I suppose. Have to say tho I loved the dual prism focus indicator of my Dad's old Canon AE1.
12/07/2004 06:22:35 PM · #3
Originally posted by GoldBerry:

I'll give you $10 and a box of leftover halloween candy.


LOL no deal! I want your first born at least! >:) LOL
12/07/2004 06:13:34 PM · #4
Originally posted by doctornick:

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

...I would like to have mine again as a back-up, though.


I have one! :) LorI? LOL :)


I'll give you $10 and a box of leftover halloween candy.
12/07/2004 06:11:13 PM · #5
Originally posted by GoldBerry:

...I would like to have mine again as a back-up, though.


I have one! :) LorI? LOL :)
12/07/2004 06:09:52 PM · #6
Originally posted by wackybill:

Why suggest that someone spend $300 more for a camera if the DRebel has everything they need?


Like the man said: to get a better camera. I upgraded 'cause I needed more features. The 300D isn't for everyone, yes of course it depends on what you want/need it for. I would like to have mine again as a back-up, though.
12/07/2004 06:07:17 PM · #7
Originally posted by jammer112:

the images I get out of my Olympus 5050z are sharper and cleaner.


they're probably oversharp. I had the same camera, showed every pore and hair on a person's face...not so nice.

P.S. the 10D isn't being manufactured anymore..
12/07/2004 06:06:45 PM · #8
Originally posted by skief:

And no one even mentions the Pentax *ist-d.... Poor thing...

The reason no one mentions this camera is because it is impossible to read and pronounce.
"Can I help you?"
"Yes, do you have the Pentax asterisk-ist dash D?"
"What did you call me?"
"You know, the star I-S-T, uh, D. Pentax."
"Rap albums are on aisle 9."
"Nevermind. Can I look at that D70?"
12/07/2004 06:02:59 PM · #9
If the sharpness is an issue, and the problem isn't with the lens, why don't you just increase the sharpness settings in the camera, or adjust it in Photoshop?
12/07/2004 05:57:57 PM · #10
Some of the high end cameras are made to produce images for image editing software. As you move closer to the prosumer cameras, the "out-of-the-camera" image is sharper. Most point-and-shoot cameras sharpen the image "in-camera". I recently read this in an article. It showed how the cameras mentioned above (or below, depending on how you sort your posts) have varying degrees of sharpness out-of-the-camera. I will try to find that article and post it here.

12/07/2004 05:43:38 PM · #11
I would say that the soft pictures you saw were setup that way. I shoot the D100 and I get beautiful clear sharp pictures from it. I would say that it is the best dig camera I have ever owned
09/12/2004 11:34:55 PM · #12
Originally posted by loboz33:


I think it counts a lot who is behind of the camera and what you want to achive.
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I agree, I can't do squat with my sony but others can with theirs.
09/12/2004 11:27:28 PM · #13
Rumor has it that Nikon is going to make an announcement this week on some new cameras in their lineup. You may want to wait a week or so before purchasing. Granted, whatever they announce won't be available for a few months, but it may provide you with some more choices to make it even more confusing.

-danny
09/12/2004 11:09:35 PM · #14
Originally posted by Wolfie:

... I am going to get a DSLR in the next few months, however, I am still not sure which to get. There is no rush, I intend checking out all models, whether Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, Sigma or Canon. Once I have tried the models, read the reviews and seen the results will I make a choice. ...


In the interest of completeness, you should add Fuji to that list. And in about a month or six weeks Minolta.
09/12/2004 09:59:01 PM · #15
And once you're ready, be sure to check //www.fredmiranda.com/forum for deals. I just saw a 300d kit for $700 with less than 250 shots on it.
09/12/2004 08:54:50 PM · #16
Originally posted by jammer112:

Thanks for all the input. I think I will just have to go to my camera shop and try out a bunch and see how they feel. I have looked at Steve's Digicams and Imaging Resource and those were big helps. But until I actually get my hands on them it is pretty hard to say which one I'll go with!


Great plan :)

And remember ..... with any of the choices you have you can't really go wrong, they are all excellent options :)
09/12/2004 07:31:32 PM · #17
Thanks for all the input. I think I will just have to go to my camera shop and try out a bunch and see how they feel. I have looked at Steve's Digicams and Imaging Resource and those were big helps. But until I actually get my hands on them it is pretty hard to say which one I'll go with!
09/12/2004 06:54:08 PM · #18
I had a soft focus problem, until I adjusted the diopter. Now it's oh so pretty.

I think the biggest difference in the nikon - canon war is personal preference. Go to the camera shop and pick one up. Take a few photos; mess with buttons; get a feel for them.

That's why I chose the camera I did. It's built like a tank, but most people don't care for the weight that comes with that.

Message edited by author 2004-09-12 18:56:46.
09/12/2004 06:07:25 PM · #19
I think is all about what you really want to do with the camera,I own the D-100 and I just love it no matter how many cameras get better rates Than mine.
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09/12/2004 05:24:04 PM · #20
Originally posted by Artyste:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by magnetic9999:

buy all of them under a 14 day return policy and see which you like the best!


Some places even have a 30 day return policy, like FutureShop (Canada). Just something to check before you empty your wallet.


FutureShop won't carry higher-end cameras like the 10D, D70, or D100. They don't even carry the Digital Rebel. Prosumers are the best they do, and not very good ones at that.. at least, our FutureShop doesn't, and I know the Vancouver ones don't, last time I checked.


Actually, they do carry the Rebel (locally and online) and alot of the high end prosumer cameras. They're just usually a model behind. Anyway, FutureShop was just a reference to show that some shops offer more than 14 days for return.
09/12/2004 05:17:00 PM · #21
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by magnetic9999:

buy all of them under a 14 day return policy and see which you like the best!


Some places even have a 30 day return policy, like FutureShop (Canada). Just something to check before you empty your wallet.


FutureShop won't carry higher-end cameras like the 10D, D70, or D100. They don't even carry the Digital Rebel. Prosumers are the best they do, and not very good ones at that.. at least, our FutureShop doesn't, and I know the Vancouver ones don't, last time I checked.
09/12/2004 05:14:42 PM · #22
Originally posted by magnetic9999:

buy all of them under a 14 day return policy and see which you like the best!


Some places even have a 30 day return policy, like FutureShop (Canada). Just something to check before you empty your wallet.
09/12/2004 04:54:49 PM · #23
No-one can tell you which is the best camera for you, they can only advise as to their personal preference. Go to a good photographic shop and handle each of the models in your price range.

Read reviews and see if they match what you want, if you don't know what you want, then you need to learn more before making that move up to DSLR. It is an important decision and an expensive one which you want to get right first time, it's no good saying in two months time that you should have bought a different model.

I have owned Olympus, Pentax and Canon SLRs in the past, each has a different feel and produces different results. Much is also dependant on the choice of lenses.

I am going to get a DSLR in the next few months, however, I am still not sure which to get. There is no rush, I intend checking out all models, whether Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, Sigma or Canon. Once I have tried the models, read the reviews and seen the results will I make a choice.

I know where my heart lies, with Canon! But I can't just throw a thousand pounds at a camera, so I will make damn sure that I buy what does the best job for me. And that is the whole point...it is what is best, most suited, to you!
09/12/2004 12:21:09 PM · #24
I was asking the same question a few months ago except mine also included the Pentax *ist. Then I saw this photo that changed my whole perspective. I thought to myself, "Could this many pros be wrong?"

Needless to say, I just bought a Canon 300d on eBay for $750 with the kit lens. I also learned that it's a lot easier to come by used Canon glass than Nikon.

My dos centavos...
09/12/2004 12:09:26 PM · #25
Originally posted by magnetic9999:

buy all of them under a 14 day return policy and see which you like the best!

Some people just have too many credit cards.... ;-)
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