What makes a photograph a 1 or a 5 or a 10 ?

07/26/2002 08:33:34 AM · #26

Chances are slim on that one

PS sorry to all the bark photo takers this week - wouldn''t want to offend anyone.

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07/26/2002 08:39:17 AM · #27

Check out myphoto outakes, they include bark picts as well
Magnetic - please let me know if you fall to your knees. HAH HAH

autool

Canon EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM

07/26/2002 09:07:42 AM · #28

Just for fun try this on a few pictures, I think you will be surprised. Look at the pictures and score from 1 - 10 in each of four catagories. Make up your own catagories based on what you think is important in a picture. When you are finished average your scores to get a final rating. I have done this and it made me look at it all in a different perspective.

Autool

KarenB

Canon EOS-70D

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

07/26/2002 09:34:14 AM · #29

hokie

Nikon D2X

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

07/26/2002 09:58:38 AM · #30

I think I think too much:-)

I used to come here in my first few weeks of voting back in April and thought I could judge a 1-10 scale.

The old addage the more you learn the dumber you know you are. So now I just go with my guts with no apologies and rarely vote below a 4.

I would like to have discussions with folks who vote 1's or 2's..they must surely know more than me and maybe I could learn something. :-)

10's I am willing to give out when I see something and I say "Damn, I wish I could have taken that photo". My perspective on life in general and photography specifically has improved by being on the positive side of the fence versus being as critical as I have been in the past.

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

07/26/2002 10:06:37 AM · #31

my theory hokie is that there is this huge silent mass of people out there, sitting watching malcolm in the middle while playing on the internet for fun, and they're going thru, voting, and basically not really paying in depth attention but just giving good scores to pics that rise to the level of what they've been conditioned to think is 'good photography' - easy accessable stuff and voting down everything else.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

07/26/2002 10:10:46 AM · #32

Originally posted by TerryGee:
I think being original - no one else thought of it- should increase the score.
If not then shouldn't we all discuss our ideas for the corporate world now?

Being original is in the eye of the viewer only. What I may think is original, you may have seen thousands of times before. I think it's unfair to downgrade a photo on originality simply because there are other photos in the challenge just like it. Do you honestly think the photographers got together and decided to do the same thing?

07/26/2002 10:10:59 AM · #33

owch! that basketball pic did it!

that dimage 5 takes some NICE pics. funny thing is they seem nicer than the dimage 7 pics i've seen....

good work!!!! : )

Originally posted by TerryGee:
Check out myphoto outakes, they include bark picts as well
Magnetic - please let me know if you fall to your knees. HAH HAH

Kimbly

Canon PowerShot G2

07/26/2002 10:37:48 AM · #34

Originally posted by magnetic9999:
I have given a fair number of 8's. I might give two or three 9's in a challenge. I've also given a fair number of 3's and 4's. 2's are pretty rare too.

5 is definitely average - doesn't suck but really doesn't provoke any feelings from me one way or the other. "Poor average" is 4. Average with a little bit of distinction is 6. Bad is 3 to 4. 2 and 1 are reserved for really bad subject matter or unbelievable poor photography.

I vote the same way you do, dude. This challenge I gave:

10 - 0
9 - 0
8 - 3
7 - 26
6 - 66
5 - 85
4 - 34
3 - 3
2 - 0
1 - 0

I've been finding I really only need about 5-6 numbers to vote. Beyond that, it's really hard for me to distiguish. I suppose I could have just as easily chosen the 5-10 range instead of the 3-8 range.

07/26/2002 10:57:51 AM · #35

great minds and all that :)>..

but yeah i do like to have the rest of that range exist for the eventualities that do pop where it is needed..

Originally posted by Kimbly:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
[i]
I've been finding I really only need about 5-6 numbers to vote. Beyond that, it's really hard for me to distiguish. I suppose I could have just as easily chosen the 5-10 range instead of the 3-8 range.

07/26/2002 12:57:52 PM · #36

Originally posted by magnetic9999:
owch! that basketball pic did it!

that dimage 5 takes some NICE pics. funny thing is they seem nicer than the dimage 7 pics i've seen....

good work!!!! : )

Originally posted by TerryGee:
[i]Check out myphoto outakes, they include bark picts as well
Magnetic - please let me know if you fall to your knees. HAH HAH

[/i]

Does that comment mean I should have entered that one?
After the threads about wallpaper I decided not to.
Scores high for originality though.
Well give me a score.
Oh by the way isn't it the photographer, not the camera?

07/26/2002 01:07:08 PM · #37

a) i wouldnt base my submission too much on what I read in these forums ;) (sorry my fellow forum inhabitants).

b) 7 or 8

c) they say that about photographer and camera. that's not really relevant though in this case. i was pure and simple remarking on the image quality, detail, smoothness, and color inherent in the image (minolta gets some credit for that part of it :) ) .. maybe some of those other minolta users arent doing what you're doing to get the most out of their camera. i read somewhere you have to do colorspace conversions to get the best resutls. did you do that?

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

07/26/2002 01:09:41 PM · #38

Ok so my picts are aren't terrible for an amateaur, so here the thing.
I do vote 1s and 2s. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
In fact someone gave mine an 8 and I said to myself "are you blind". I would only give myself about a 5 this week.( I picked the wrong one).
I think people are over scoring all the picts.
There were definitely photos this week that I thought deserved the score of 1 or 2.
On the other extreme I thought ther were a few in the 8s and 9s
Its the middle range that is so difficult.

myqyl

Nikon D3100

07/26/2002 01:11:55 PM · #39

Originally posted by autool:
Just for fun try this on a few pictures, I think you will be surprised. Look at the pictures and score from 1 - 10 in each of four catagories. Make up your own catagories based on what you think is important in a picture. When you are finished average your scores to get a final rating. I have done this and it made me look at it all in a different perspective.

Autool

I liked this alot when I saw it in your comment... It told me where you thought I was strong and what needed work... Great system...

I tend to vote too much from the gut to adopt this, but I think I''ll try it one week (after I set up a spreadsheet or something). Looked like a great way to be sure all photos were treated equally. I admit my system is too emotionally driven (which is why I don''t vote at work anymore). Thanks!

* This message has been edited by the author on 7/26/2002 1:14:02 PM.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II

07/26/2002 01:16:46 PM · #40

Originally posted by magnetic9999:
a) i wouldnt base my submission too much on what I read in these forums ;) (sorry my fellow forum inhabitants).

b) 7 or 8

c) they say that about photographer and camera. that''s not really relevant though in this case. i was pure and simple remarking on the image quality, detail, smoothness, and color inherent in the image (minolta gets some credit for that part of it :) ) .. maybe some of those other minolta users arent doing what you''re doing to get the most out of their camera. i read somewhere you have to do colorspace conversions to get the best resutls. did you do that?

Are you kidding, I just found where the button for the digital zoom is.
I''v had it for 2 months now and barely know how to use it.
I don''t even know what a colorspace conversion is.

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Froober

Canon EOS-10D

07/26/2002 01:19:51 PM · #41

Sticking my neck out here (as usual)...but this thread may lead some to believe that they vote 'wrong.' As has been mentioned (kind of anyway) in another recent thread, peer pressure does prevail on this site.

So long as you are voting with sincere intentions and basing your vote on criteria that you think are pertinent and fair, vote however you want...use the 1's don't use the 1's, whatever. It's all good (imo). :)

balynch

Nikon D90

07/26/2002 01:24:15 PM · #42

Originally posted by autool:
Look at the pictures and score from 1 - 10 in each of four catagories. Make up your own catagories based on what you think is important in a picture. When you are finished average your scores to get a final rating.

I think your categorized system is a real winner. But I also think it would be immensely helpful to our fellow photographers if your comments were more specific and individual, instead of template-like.

Bryan

07/26/2002 01:25:10 PM · #43

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by TerryGee:
[i]I think being original - no one else thought of it- should increase the score.
If not then shouldn''t we all discuss our ideas for the corporate world now?

Being original is in the eye of the viewer only. What I may think is original, you may have seen thousands of times before. I think it''s unfair to downgrade a photo on originality simply because there are other photos in the challenge just like it. Do you honestly think the photographers got together and decided to do the same thing?

[/i]

But isn''t it something that is never discussed for a reason - ideas for a current challenge that is.
Why does everyone keep their ideas quiet, if not to have originality.
Why is that unfair?
You mean I shouldn''t be killing myself trying to come up with something no one else thinks of?
If we all turned in a shot of a newspaper then we could simply be voted on who has be best camera set up and knowledge of lighting.
But this challenge is much more than that, isn''t it?

* This message has been edited by the author on 7/26/2002 1:28:43 PM.