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07/25/2002 10:37:20 PM · #1
In your opinion... What qualities must a photograph possess for you to score it a 1 , a 5 , or a 10?
07/25/2002 10:44:20 PM · #2
In my opinion(not that anyone wants an opinion from a newbie) a 1 shows no signs of the subject of the challenge for the week and is a photo of poor quality, composition, color, etc.
A 10 on the otherhand shows all of the above but with that extra something. It is the one that gives you chills when you see it.
A 5 falls somewhere inbetween.
Everyone seems to be afraid to give out the low scores but I actually feel there should be an even curve from the high to the low.
As I said, just my opinion - doesn't mean it's anyone elses.
07/25/2002 10:47:52 PM · #3
1: I think i may have scored one picture a 1, and I don''t remember. It just has to be really, really bad in all areas: subject, composition, technique, EVERYTHING. Can''t find ANY connection at all whatsoever to the challenge (and I give a pretty broad leeway, here).

5: A five has a)everything ok, but not great, or b) one or two elements pretty good, and something seriously wrong with it. Meets the challenge.

10: I admit, I like it. Of course, it doesn''t hurt if technically there is almost nothing wrong with it. Has an awesome interpretation of the challenge.

DISCLAIMOR: This is MY opinion, and for every voter, you will find different criteria. I think if each person stays fairly consistent, it will all come out in the wash. Also, the more I look at it, that may be oversimplifying my voting. I vote during the first of the week, then tweek the rest of the time. I don''t know.

I''m probably not the best person to answer this. HELP!!!!

About TerryGee''s comment about the curve: I find that every week I have almost a perfect bell from 3 - 10. Most of my votes fall between 5 and 7.


* This message has been edited by the author on 7/25/2002 10:48:59 PM.
07/25/2002 10:50:09 PM · #4
For me:

A 1 has to be pretty horrible. I've been voting for 5 weeks now and haven't seen below a 2 yet. And I've only seen a handfull of those.

A 5 is a nice shot without major flaws, but doesn't really intice me to want to spend any quality time with it. Family photo album shots get this for me (as do must of my own submissions :)

A 10 is a shot I can't find any flaw in, that clearly and strongly meets the challenge (very subjective), and lastly, that makes me want to look at it after I've finished voting for it.

07/25/2002 10:50:40 PM · #5
Originally posted by rls_2002:
In your opinion... What qualities must a photograph possess for you to score it a 1 , a 5 , or a 10?


For me, a 1 is rare but it is usually of something I find completely pointless, inappropriate, and offensive. I throw technical merit out the window because I don't even get that far before I'm disgusted and move on to the next photo.

A 5 is an 'okay' photo, 'okay' subject, 'okay' technically...but could use significant improvement. It's not bad but it just doesn't impress me too much.

A 10 is a photo that makes me say WOW and is technically perfect.

I'd go into more detail but I'm sure someone will post a link to an 'article' that goes into further detail on technical criteria.
07/25/2002 10:51:04 PM · #6
I give out very few 1's, and then only if the photo has no redeeming qualities at all. On the other hand, I give out very few 10's also, it would have to be almost perfect, almost a religious experience to have the honor to view it. Everything else finds it's own level. I don't try to grade on a curve though, each entry stands or falls by itself.
07/25/2002 10:54:33 PM · #7
I don't try to grade on a curve either, it just happens that way. Didn't know if I gave the impression that I did. :-)
07/25/2002 10:58:14 PM · #8
If each entry "stands on its own", then how does that make it a challenge?
Isn't a challenge one against another?
If someone is the best then you should be voting someone as the worst.
07/25/2002 11:06:13 PM · #9
I don't give out ones anymore... I haven't in quite a while anyway. If someone submits a photo with some small amount of effort towards the challenge, they get at least a 3 from me. The photo has to be poor quality and subjectively weak to get a 3.

I give a 5 to an 'average' photograph. Most 5s that I give are subjectively unappealing to me. The technical quality may be good or bad on a 5 that I give. 5 just means middle of the road to me in most cases... could be much better, could be much worse.

In most cases, I require technical and subjective excellence to give a 10. I occasionally give a 10 to a technically flawed photo if the subjective value of the image is high enough :)
07/25/2002 11:09:05 PM · #10
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I don't give out ones anymore... I haven't in quite a while anyway. If someone submits a photo with some small amount of effort towards the challenge, they get at least a 3 from me. The photo has to be poor quality and subjectively weak to get a 3.

I give a 5 to an 'average' photograph. Most 5s that I give are subjectively unappealing to me. The technical quality may be good or bad on a 5 that I give. 5 just means middle of the road to me in most cases... could be much better, could be much worse.

In most cases, I require technical and subjective excellence to give a 10. I occasionally give a 10 to a technically flawed photo if the subjective value of the image is high enough :)


John has spoken. End of thread. Hahahahahahah. :-)


07/25/2002 11:11:28 PM · #11
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]I don't give out ones anymore... I haven't in quite a while anyway. If someone submits a photo with some small amount of effort towards the challenge, they get at least a 3 from me. The photo has to be poor quality and subjectively weak to get a 3.

I give a 5 to an 'average' photograph. Most 5s that I give are subjectively unappealing to me. The technical quality may be good or bad on a 5 that I give. 5 just means middle of the road to me in most cases... could be much better, could be much worse.

In most cases, I require technical and subjective excellence to give a 10. I occasionally give a 10 to a technically flawed photo if the subjective value of the image is high enough :)


John has spoken. End of thread. Hahahahahahah. :-)


[/i]

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07/25/2002 11:11:46 PM · #12
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I don't give out ones anymore... I haven't in quite a while anyway. If someone submits a photo with some small amount of effort towards the challenge, they get at least a 3 from me. The photo has to be poor quality and subjectively weak to get a 3.

I give a 5 to an 'average' photograph. Most 5s that I give are subjectively unappealing to me. The technical quality may be good or bad on a 5 that I give. 5 just means middle of the road to me in most cases... could be much better, could be much worse.

In most cases, I require technical and subjective excellence to give a 10. I occasionally give a 10 to a technically flawed photo if the subjective value of the image is high enough :)


I agree 100% with you. I do the same and don't think I have ever given a _1_. I just feel if you have the nerve to put a photo here you should get a review better then _1_ no matter how poor the shot is. Besides we want ya to come back!!

07/25/2002 11:12:04 PM · #13
I must be seeing something different than everyone else because I saw some pretty bad photos out there.
I guess I'm just a New Yorker(originally) and we are pretty straight forward.
07/25/2002 11:13:17 PM · #14
Originally posted by TerryGee:
I must be seeing something different than everyone else because I saw some pretty bad photos out there.
I guess I'm just a New Yorker(originally) and we are pretty straight forward.


Up north you call it "straight forward." Here in the south, we have another term. :-) It's all in your perspective.


07/25/2002 11:15:10 PM · #15
I'm sure there must be quite a few words.
You know the saying "nice guys finish last"
07/25/2002 11:16:58 PM · #16
I seem to do what has been said by all of you. I have given 1's, but try not to. Has to be a pointless/horrible photo. What I would define as a non-photo. 10 should be technically excellent and/or inspirational, unique... 4,5 , and 6 generally needing work or not very inspirational or both. I have to say I voted a lot of high scores this time, although looking back at the ranges of scores on photos in previous challenges, my votes are usually with the average or above the average. I think I'm pretty liberal and give points for effort a lot.
07/25/2002 11:19:02 PM · #17
Originally posted by TerryGee:
I'm sure there must be quite a few words.
You know the saying "nice guys finish last"


Terry, I tried to send u an email to your address on your profile but it came back undeliverable... I just wanted to thank you for your post in the other thread... no worries and cheers :)
07/25/2002 11:29:35 PM · #18
Thanks jm I just checked and I had it wrong. Two different e mails and I sometimes mix them up
07/26/2002 04:00:46 AM · #19
I rate each photo on a scale of 0 to 3 on technical skill, artistic merit, and challenge suitability. Then I add the scores together and add one to bring the range to 1 to 10.
07/26/2002 07:30:40 AM · #20
I generally start with a 5 and mark up/down depending on how I feel about things like technical merit and meeting the challenge in a unique way. At the end I take all my 9s promote those I think are exceptional to 10, usually shots where I think difficult conditions have been overcome, such as wildlife shots, poor light conditions, moving subjects, etc.

I''d rather give a tongue lashing rather than a 1 to someone I think has just clicked at an ornament and slapped it into the challenge.

* This message has been edited by the author on 7/26/2002 7:30:20 AM.
07/26/2002 08:09:19 AM · #21
I have rarely given a 1. But I have also rarely given a 10. To me those seem to be extreme ends of the scale reserved for either absolute Abomination or absolute Sistine Chapel-level transport :).

I look at the scale as what is within the realm of possibility.

Maybe I should adjust it to be "what is within the realm of possibility thus far in my experience at DPC?

I have given a fair number of 8's. I might give two or three 9's in a challenge. I've also given a fair number of 3's and 4's. 2's are pretty rare too.

5 is definitely average - doesn't suck but really doesn't provoke any feelings from me one way or the other. "Poor average" is 4. Average with a little bit of distinction is 6. Bad is 3 to 4. 2 and 1 are reserved for really bad subject matter or unbelievable poor photography.

I give a lot of pics I like somewhere between 6 and 8.

I also try to look at each picture on it's own merits. Someone asked how you could do that in a contest. It's easy. You give each pic the score you think it deserves and let the distribution of everyone's votes choose the winners. After all, if there were 10 pics of a bug, those people didn't know there was going to be duplication, so their photos deserve equal levels of consideration as if they were unique.



07/26/2002 08:15:20 AM · #22
I think being original - no one else thought of it- should increase the score.
If not then shouldn't we all discuss our ideas for the corporate world now?
07/26/2002 08:19:21 AM · #23
If their are 100 pieces of bark, you have to say that that person didn't think out of the box (not saying I did - I personally would have given my own a 5 or 6) but I feel that is of great importance here. One has to stand out above the others. Most of the time it is one the is quite different from the rest. So being the same should be compared and scored accordingly.
07/26/2002 08:20:55 AM · #24
Definitely. I guess I didn't go into any detail about what makes a "picture that I like" though : )


Originally posted by TerryGee:
I think being original - no one else thought of it- should increase the score.


07/26/2002 08:21:46 AM · #25
True. But if one of those pieces of bark is shot with such careful loving splendor that it makes everyone fall to their knees weeping tears of joy, then it's not going to matter to me if there were 99 other mediocre barks . ..


Originally posted by TerryGee:
If their are 100 pieces of bark, you have to say that that person didn't think out of the box (not saying I did - I personally would have given my own a 5 or 6) but I feel that is of great importance here. One has to stand out above the others. Most of the time it is one the is quite different from the rest. So being the same should be compared and scored accordingly.

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