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12/15/2013 02:41:35 AM · #151 |
I like what  ubique posted, particularly this:
"1. Snapshots are vital and spontaneous, while photography is deliberate and often ponderous. Snapshots usually give life to a moment, while photography usually crushes the life out of a moment. "
My snapshots please me infinitely more than my deliberate and ponderous attempts. I really like that "ponderous." And a lot of my attempts - trying too hard or so hard that it has the smell of sweat - do crush the life out of whatever it was or might have been. We need the words for this, for thinking about it. Actually, it is vital: the older I get the more desperately I need to know what I feel, what I think.
These words (Paul's) were never an an indictment, nor even a skirmish in a putative war between the first page and the last. Provocative, but neither insult nor onslaught. I am not sure what the overreaction says.
( schlake seems to be a leg man, the pulling kind. And if you do look at his portfolio it does seem that he knows his way around the camera but I won't hold it against him).
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12/15/2013 03:11:49 AM · #152 |
| My entry into and continuation of this discussion has never been based on 'good', 'bad', 'spontaneous', 'ponderous' or any other fricking descriptor. My issue has been with the insults and intolerance of any but 'your' own opinion. |
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12/15/2013 04:31:11 AM · #153 |
Such a wonderful conversation you guys have come up with. It's a delight to see such a variety of overreacting kids onboard.
More flame added by a snapshotting camera enthusiast. |
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12/15/2013 04:33:45 AM · #154 |
Originally posted by insteps:
"strange days indeed." --John Lennon
Happy Holidays! |
The best post this thread. |
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12/15/2013 05:02:35 AM · #155 |
Sorry Johanna, I neglected to reply to this:
Originally posted by tanguera:
... if you feel that only modern snappers with cellphones take interesting pictures, and ... |
I didn't say that,
ergo I wasn't saying this:
Originally posted by tanguera:
... and since virtually all but a tiny fraction of entries on DPC are done with cameras, are you saying every image on here is boring? |
What I actually said was:
"modern snappers with cellphones take more interesting pictures than do serious photographers"
which is not the same thing at all, and is not a categorical statement. It does not preclude interesting pictures by serious photographers, nor does it guarantee interesting pictures from snappers with cellphones.
Your hyperbolic characterisation of my actual remark was presumably intentional, to cleverly goad me into saying something controversial. But I can do that anyway you know. |
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12/15/2013 09:24:05 AM · #156 |
Originally posted by schlake:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
As Pogo said, "We have met the enemy and he is us..." |
Dude, it's 2013. No one knows who Pogo is anymore! |
NOT SO... I for one... wait make that at least two eh Bear, remember only too well. :O)
Ray |
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12/15/2013 10:25:17 AM · #157 |
Originally posted by ubique:
IMO
When one expresses a view in a forum, the qualifier 'in my opinion' is implied. If I express a view that isn't my opinion, I will attribute it properly. The use of a superfluous 'in my opinion' as a PC softener is just weasel words. Much like saying 'the bathroom' when you mean lavatory. |
I think some people fail to appreciate the implicit when reading the forums, and require the explicit statement to be reminded that the poster is not the ultimate authority expressing "absolute truth." What you call "weasel words" I think I'd consider "fire retardant" ...
Also, I find your analogy falls somewhat short, since lavatory ("a place for washing") is an exact synonym for "bathroom" and not for "toilet" ... |
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12/15/2013 11:11:07 AM · #158 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by ubique:
Much like saying 'the bathroom' when you mean lavatory. |
Also, I find your analogy falls somewhat short, since lavatory ("a place for washing") is an exact synonym for "bathroom" and not for "toilet" ... |
Yup, let's just call a crapper a crapper, eh? :-) |
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12/15/2013 11:13:52 AM · #159 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Your hyperbolic characterisation of my actual remark was presumably intentional, to cleverly goad me into saying something controversial. But I can do that anyway you know. |
:) |
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12/15/2013 11:26:50 AM · #160 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
[ What you call "weasel words" I think I'd consider "fire retardant" ...... |
Ohhhhh, every once in a while,  GeneralE gets off a real zinger. This is one of those times.
:) |
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12/15/2013 11:27:08 AM · #161 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Brian, just out of curiosity, exactly how would you define 'snapshot'? |
I don't know. How do you define art or jazz or God? Go out looking for photographs and you'll always find them. I don't set quotas for myself. I'm endlessly fascinated by reality. I'm always looking. I've been know to stop and frame an image even if I'm nowhere near a camera. Similarly, I might take a camera with me and never use it. Photographs are things that are made; snapshots are things that happen -- for me, they happen when a moment of sudden inspiration happens to coincide with my having a camera at hand. Point the camera at it for too long and it falls apart. Manipulate it in Photoshop too much and you'll ruin it. They're delicate things, really. Less is more.
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12/15/2013 02:00:26 PM · #162 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
[quote=ubique]IMO
... I find your analogy falls somewhat short, since lavatory ("a place for washing") is an exact synonym for "bathroom" and not for "toilet" ... |
I am confident that you do know that your observation is sophistry. Yes the word derives from the Latin for 'place of washing', but its use in English in the context I gave has been common for several hundred years I think.
Example from Collins English Dictionary, in which the following is the first definition given for lavatory:
1. Also called toilet water closet WC
a. a sanitary installation for receiving and disposing of urine and faeces, consisting of a bowl fitted with a water-flushing device and connected to a drain
b. a room containing such an installation
No need to reach so far, Paul. It isn't seemly on you.
ETA: In my opinion.
Message edited by author 2013-12-15 14:01:48. |
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12/15/2013 02:25:35 PM · #163 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
[quote=ubique]IMO
... I find your analogy falls somewhat short, since lavatory ("a place for washing") is an exact synonym for "bathroom" and not for "toilet" ... |
I am confident that you do know that your observation is sophistry. Yes the word derives from the Latin for 'place of washing', but its use in English in the context I gave has been common for several hundred years I think.
Example from Collins English Dictionary, in which the following is the first definition given for lavatory:
1. Also called toilet water closet WC
a. a sanitary installation for receiving and disposing of urine and faeces, consisting of a bowl fitted with a water-flushing device and connected to a drain
b. a room containing such an installation
No need to reach so far, Paul. It isn't seemly on you.
ETA: In my opinion. |
Paul, for all of that I've NEVER seen an actual, physical toilet referred to as a "lavatory", ever. Here's a more common definition; note that "toilet" is 3.
Originally posted by Merriam Webster Online:
lav·a·to·ry noun \ˈla-və-ˌtȯr-ē, British -və-t(ə-)rē\
: a room with a toilet and sink
: a bathroom sink
plural lav·a·to·ries
Full Definition of LAVATORY
1 : a vessel (as a basin) for washing; especially : a fixed bowl or basin with running water and drainpipe for washing
2 : a room with conveniences for washing and usually with one or more toilets
3 : toilet 3b |
So I really don't think either word is any less euphemistic than the other. If you wanted to be less euphemistic, you'd say "toilet" surely? So, "IMO" the other Paul's point isn't sophistry: when your average English speaker says she's going to the lavatory she is referring to the room, not the toilet.
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12/15/2013 02:35:48 PM · #164 |
Originally posted by ubique:
No need to reach so far, Paul. It isn't seemly on you. |
Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound mean ... I just found it somewhat ironic when you illustrated your complaint about euphemisms with what I considered another euphemism. |
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12/15/2013 02:36:31 PM · #165 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
... when your average English speaker says she's going to the lavatory she is referring to the room, not the toilet. |
Not where I come from mate. Not where the actual English people come from either. When a well known Conservative peer is reported in The Times as having been 'surprised in compromising circumstances with a guardsman in a public lavatory', they don't mean a place for washing. It's quite common (both the usage, and the behaviour of Conservative peers). |
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12/15/2013 02:41:26 PM · #166 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
... when your average English speaker says she's going to the lavatory she is referring to the room, not the toilet. |
Not where I come from mate. Not where the actual English people come from either. When a well known Conservative peer is reported in The Times as having been 'surprised in compromising circumstances with a guardsman in a public lavatory', they don't mean a place for washing. It's quite common (both the usage, and the behaviour of Conservative peers). |
Oh, I understand THAT, I thought you were stressing that the lavatory IS the toilet (one of your definitions). Because I assure you that over HERE when one says "going to the bathroom" that's every bit as explicitly (and euphemistically) stating that one's going to the toilet. It's six of one, half a dozen of the other in that sense :-) |
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12/15/2013 02:42:59 PM · #167 |
| Come to think, over here the REAL euphemism would be "rest room": NOBODY goes there to rest. And the ladies have their "powder rooms", for the matter of that... |
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12/15/2013 04:00:06 PM · #168 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Come to think, over here the REAL euphemism would be "rest room": NOBODY goes there to rest. And the ladies have their "powder rooms", for the matter of that... |
You don't have kids do you? Sometimes the "restroom" is the only place I can go for a few moments of peace and relaxation between Nerf battles and the non stop demands for whatever thing it is that just can't wait. |
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12/15/2013 04:29:42 PM · #169 |
| I am quite impressed by the range of topics covered in this thread :) |
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12/15/2013 04:33:15 PM · #170 |
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12/15/2013 04:38:25 PM · #171 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
I am quite impressed by the range of topics covered in this thread :) |
It's also a great Challenge Suggestion
Challenge Title: But there IS a person in this photo!!!!
Challenge Details: Take a photo that doesn't contain a person
Rules: Minimal Editing (but you may clone out any accidental people from the photo)
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12/15/2013 04:56:23 PM · #172 |
| Or, how about an "Accidental People" challenge? |
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12/15/2013 06:05:10 PM · #173 |
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12/15/2013 06:09:33 PM · #174 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
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Heh Heh - Art Roflmao, I think he said "accidental people" not "accidental pooping" |
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12/15/2013 06:12:05 PM · #175 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Heh Heh - Art Roflmao, I think he said "accidental people" not "accidental pooping" |
It's in response to the "Lavatory" discussion. Very tough to keep up with the whirlpool of topics in this thread. ;-) |
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