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03/17/2014 07:51:24 PM · #101
What do you guys think of these?

Dash cams are one thing, but an officer wearing a body camera
03/17/2014 09:00:35 PM · #102
Originally posted by Spork99:

What do you guys think of these?

Dash cams are one thing, but an officer wearing a body camera

Originally posted by article:

The police department in Rialto, Calif., concluded a yearlong University of Cambridge study last year that found an 89 percent drop in complaints against officers during the camera trial. The chief has since mandated its deployment to its roughly 90 sworn officers.

Rialto police Sgt. Richard Royce said he was exonerated by the footage during the study.

"I'd rather have my version of that incident captured on high-definition video in its entirety from my point of view, then to look at somebody's grainy cellphone camera footage captured a 100 feet away that gets cropped, edited, changed or manipulated," Royce said.

Seems like a good thing for both cops & citizens. I read the downsides as well, but I think they are outweighed.
03/17/2014 09:46:32 PM · #103
Originally posted by Spork99:

What do you guys think of these?

Dash cams are one thing, but an officer wearing a body camera


If the officer is up to no good, then I'd understand them not wanting the lapel cam.

Otherwise? Why the hell wouldn't you want this? Indisputable video evidence, it's a damned beautiful thing. I've thought about buying my own just to combat the police breaking the law around here.

Message edited by author 2014-03-17 21:46:41.
03/17/2014 10:20:21 PM · #104
They started rolling them out where I grew up, as well.

I would agree overall that more recording is better, but I would also like to see more specific policies for when things need to be recorded as compared to the amount of leniency/discretion seen in many areas.
03/19/2014 03:59:55 PM · #105
Now in N Carolina...drinking Iced Tea will get you arrested
03/19/2014 04:25:04 PM · #106
Originally posted by Spork99:

Now in N Carolina...drinking Iced Tea will get you arrested


He's lucky that he wasn't in Florida. He would have been shot dead for being black and drinking ice tea.
03/19/2014 05:50:33 PM · #107
Originally posted by franktheyank:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Now in N Carolina...drinking Iced Tea will get you arrested


He's lucky that he wasn't in Florida. He would have been shot dead for being black and drinking ice tea.


Analogy fail.

Zimmerman wasn't a cop, and TM was doing a bit more than 'drinking ice tea'...

:D
03/19/2014 06:51:28 PM · #108

Analogy fail.

Zimmerman wasn't a cop, and TM was doing a bit more than 'drinking ice tea'...

:D [/quote]

TM was just wearing a hoodie, walking, and eating skittles. Zimmerman was a cop wanna be, tracked him down and shot him. I know that he wasn't convicted, but that's Florida. Plus there was the other guy who shot the unarmed kid in his car because he didn't like his music. He also got off on the murder rap. He got convicted on other charges though. Then there was the black woman who fired a warning shot at the ceiling to protect her family from her abusive ex. She got 20 years and the DA is trying to make it 60 years.
It might not be the cops in these cases but the criminal justice system in Florida is heavily weighed against you if you are black.
03/19/2014 07:10:34 PM · #109
Originally posted by Cory:

Analogy fail.

Zimmerman wasn't a cop, and TM was doing a bit more than 'drinking ice tea'...

:D


Originally posted by Franktheyank:

TM was just wearing a hoodie, walking, and eating skittles. Zimmerman was a cop wanna be, tracked him down and shot him. I know that he wasn't convicted, but that's Florida. Plus there was the other guy who shot the unarmed kid in his car because he didn't like his music. He also got off on the murder rap. He got convicted on other charges though. Then there was the black woman who fired a warning shot at the ceiling to protect her family from her abusive ex. She got 20 years and the DA is trying to make it 60 years.
It might not be the cops in these cases but the criminal justice system in Florida is heavily weighed against you if you are black.


You don't understand how he wasn't convicted because you paid too little attention to the evidence and too much attention to the media, either that or you simply don't understand the law. I can't be bothered to explain the details, since it's all out there, but the fact that whole thing even went to trial was a farce. You absolutely cannot physically assault someone without opening yourself up to being shot/killed legally, and it doesn't matter what color you are, the rules on this are pretty much exactly the same, and furthermore, the fact that it happened in Florida had very little influence on the outcome, those laws are the same across the US.(or at least most of it, you might be able to find some exception.)

As for the one who shot the kids in the car, he was convicted on three counts of attempted murder and is looking at 60 years on those charges. The murder charge was deadlocked, and he will face another jury on that charge.

The woman I have to agree was over-sentenced, but in the end, she was threatening someone with a firearm, and discharged it - the law doesn't really care if the person you're assaulting is an asshole abusive ex or not - she broke the law.

Frankly, the better example of the police being too aggressive with blacks in Florida would have been citing the shooting on Miami Beach during Memorial Day weekend a couple of years ago, FFS they 'found' a gun in the car days later, and they literally shot the guy hundreds of times - striking other officers and bystanders in the process.

Message edited by author 2014-03-19 19:19:20.
03/19/2014 07:15:04 PM · #110
Originally posted by Cory:

You absolutely cannot physically assault someone without opening yourself up to being shot/killed legally, and it doesn't matter what color you are, the rules on this are pretty much exactly the same ...

So when TM was threatened by some stranger with a gun confronting him in a place he had every right to be, he didn't have the right to use (up to) deadly force to protect himself?
03/19/2014 07:19:40 PM · #111
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Cory:

You absolutely cannot physically assault someone without opening yourself up to being shot/killed legally, and it doesn't matter what color you are, the rules on this are pretty much exactly the same ...

So when TM was threatened by some stranger with a gun confronting him in a place he had every right to be, he didn't have the right to use (up to) deadly force to protect himself?


Didn't ever hear about Zimmerman threatening him. My understanding is that Zimmerman never showed the gun, and that TM probably didn't know about it until he was leaking.

As for attacking someone for following you? Nope, not allowed.

Someone can follow you, threaten you verbally, chase you in a car, sit down in front of your house and stare in your windows, they can watch your children while they play outside, they can follow you to the park.. None of that actually makes it legal to physically batter them, ever, under ANY circumstances. And if you chose to do so, you have then opened yourself up to some bad shit happening. You could, however, legally chose to do something like charging them with assault (threatening someone is illegal, and the police will enforce it if you can prove it), following someone could quickly get you a restraining order (and if they break this, you still can't shoot them). The point here is that had TM not been a hormone filled dumbass, he could have just used that phone he was carrying to call the police who would then have dealt with GZ for him, leaving him free to go enjoy his skittles and watermelon fruit juice cocktail in peace.

In short, unless you can demonstrate an immediate fear for your life (or sometimes the life of another), then you absolutely are not legally justified in using force to meet any threat which is not physical.

Which, funny enough, brings us back around to the topic at hand... That's the problem right now with the police - they're often willing to use a great deal of force to meet a minor, sometimes non-physical, threat. And it shouldn't be any more legal for them to do it than it is for a civilian.

Message edited by author 2014-03-19 19:47:54.
03/20/2014 08:03:12 AM · #112
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Cory:

You absolutely cannot physically assault someone without opening yourself up to being shot/killed legally, and it doesn't matter what color you are, the rules on this are pretty much exactly the same ...

So when TM was threatened by some stranger with a gun confronting him in a place he had every right to be, he didn't have the right to use (up to) deadly force to protect himself?


Following someone and asking them "What are you doing here?" doesn't justify physical force of any measure. Someone sitting on you, punching you and pounding your head into the sidewalk is a different matter.
03/20/2014 08:29:51 AM · #113
Also, not necessarily the police acting alone, but in conjunction with local government. Here in Michigan, man gets arrested, charged with a felony after speaking longer than 3 minutes
03/20/2014 12:12:38 PM · #114
Originally posted by Spork99:

Now in N Carolina...drinking Iced Tea will get you arrested

It DOES look like an aggravated testosterone incident, but just for the record that "Arizona Tea" gets spiked all the time, and I suppose it's possible the agent witnessed the spiking, or thought he did...
03/20/2014 04:11:45 PM · #115
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Now in N Carolina...drinking Iced Tea will get you arrested

It DOES look like an aggravated testosterone incident, but just for the record that "Arizona Tea" gets spiked all the time, and I suppose it's possible the agent witnessed the spiking, or thought he did...


From all witness accounts, the agent never ID'ed himself properly as law enforcement and to "search" or examine the guys drink, he'd need to have probable cause.

I dunno about you, but if some creepy looking guy started harassing me about the iced tea I was drinking, I'd tell him to take a flying leap.
03/20/2014 05:12:16 PM · #116
Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Now in N Carolina...drinking Iced Tea will get you arrested

It DOES look like an aggravated testosterone incident, but just for the record that "Arizona Tea" gets spiked all the time, and I suppose it's possible the agent witnessed the spiking, or thought he did...


From all witness accounts, the agent never ID'ed himself properly as law enforcement and to "search" or examine the guys drink, he'd need to have probable cause.

I dunno about you, but if some creepy looking guy started harassing me about the iced tea I was drinking, I'd tell him to take a flying leap.

Oh sure, I quite agree: even if he IS an agent and he DID see such behavior, he went at this totally the wrong way. Nevertheless, for the sake of argument, *witnessing* illegal activity constitutes probable cause. He behaved like a jackass regardless. Aggravated Testosterone.
03/20/2014 05:34:20 PM · #117
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Now in N Carolina...drinking Iced Tea will get you arrested

It DOES look like an aggravated testosterone incident, but just for the record that "Arizona Tea" gets spiked all the time, and I suppose it's possible the agent witnessed the spiking, or thought he did...


I found this:

§ 18B-500. Alcohol law-enforcement agents.

(b) Subject Matter Jurisdiction. After taking the oath prescribed for a peace officer, an alcohol law-enforcement agent shall have authority to arrest and take other investigatory and enforcement actions for any criminal offense. The primary responsibility of an agent shall be
enforcement of the ABC laws, lottery laws, and Article 5 of Chapter 90 (The Controlled Substances Act); however, an agent may perform any law-enforcement duty assigned by the Secretary of Public Safety or the Governor.


What begs to be determined is whether or not the agent actions were within the scope of his prescribed duties.

You can bet your bottom dollar that I would definitely not accept any offer by the prosecution, ask for a trial by jury and I would feel very comfortable in believing that I would be acquited.

If the agent did indeed fail to properly identify himself, the accused might have the option to sue for assault and battery, illegal detention, false arrest and seek compensation for personal injury.

Just another man's view.

Ray

Message edited by author 2014-03-20 17:35:32.
03/21/2014 03:39:15 PM · #118
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Now in N Carolina...drinking Iced Tea will get you arrested

It DOES look like an aggravated testosterone incident, but just for the record that "Arizona Tea" gets spiked all the time, and I suppose it's possible the agent witnessed the spiking, or thought he did...


From all witness accounts, the agent never ID'ed himself properly as law enforcement and to "search" or examine the guys drink, he'd need to have probable cause.

I dunno about you, but if some creepy looking guy started harassing me about the iced tea I was drinking, I'd tell him to take a flying leap.

Oh sure, I quite agree: even if he IS an agent and he DID see such behavior, he went at this totally the wrong way. Nevertheless, for the sake of argument, *witnessing* illegal activity constitutes probable cause. He behaved like a jackass regardless. Aggravated Testosterone.


By all accounts, there was nothing illegal to witness. Since the state of NC owns all liquor stores, the officer did have the authority to tell the guy to leave, but he would have had to ID himself as a cop first and he has to give him an opportunity to leave, but I didn't see more than a few seconds between the guy being told to leave and being wrestled to the ground.

The problem is that the victim here continues to have open charges on his record, which essentially renders him unemployable along with other unpleasant consequences. It's a way the authorities can punish you without having a pesky trial and getting a conviction.
03/21/2014 03:53:22 PM · #119
So, a new fun one.

Turns out this week's shooting in Albuquerque was more interesting that I first suspected.

According to the latest news, the guy was on the ground, after having been shot multiple times with beanbag rounds, when officers opened fire with lethal ammunition.

Now, granted, he did have knives, and I'm not considered an expert in this field, but last I checked the 21 foot rule only counts when they're on their feet, or otherwise not incapacitated. Looks like outright police murder again in my otherwise wonderful state.
03/21/2014 03:57:47 PM · #120
Originally posted by Spork99:

The problem is that the victim here continues to have open charges on his record, which essentially renders him unemployable along with other unpleasant consequences. It's a way the authorities can punish you without having a pesky trial and getting a conviction.

Oh yeah, they certainly CAN do that, and DO do that, and it's reprehensible.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not giving that jerk the benefit of the doubt, and I don't want it to sound like I am. I just wanted to make clear that IF an officer of the law SEES an illegal act happening, that's "probable cause" for a search...
03/21/2014 04:43:06 PM · #121
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Spork99:

The problem is that the victim here continues to have open charges on his record, which essentially renders him unemployable along with other unpleasant consequences. It's a way the authorities can punish you without having a pesky trial and getting a conviction.

Oh yeah, they certainly CAN do that, and DO do that, and it's reprehensible.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not giving that jerk the benefit of the doubt, and I don't want it to sound like I am. I just wanted to make clear that IF an officer of the law SEES an illegal act happening, that's "probable cause" for a search...


You know the one thing I saw that tells me there was nothing in the can of any consequence?

He set it down carefully trying not to spill it as douchebag supremo was attempting to body slam him. Let me ask you this, if you had an illegal beverage in your hand, would you try to not spill it as you were being tackled?
03/21/2014 04:49:19 PM · #122
Originally posted by Cory:

So, a new fun one.

Turns out this week's shooting in Albuquerque was more interesting that I first suspected.

According to the latest news, the guy was on the ground, after having been shot multiple times with beanbag rounds, when officers opened fire with lethal ammunition.

Now, granted, he did have knives, and I'm not considered an expert in this field, but last I checked the 21 foot rule only counts when they're on their feet, or otherwise not incapacitated. Looks like outright police murder again in my otherwise wonderful state.


Originally posted by Article:

The officers can be heard in the video telling Boyd to put a knife down. A Crisis Intervention Team was called to the scene and the suspect asks to speak with a New Mexico State Police liaison.
Eden said the officers fired non-lethal beanbag rounds at Boyd first and he fell to the ground. But he said Boyd was still holding the knives and would not let them go when officers told him to drop them.
Eden said the two officers, Dominique Perez and Keith Sandy, then fired three shots each at Boyd when he threatened a K-9 officer.
Boyd was taken to UNM Hospital in critical condition where he later died.


In re-reading that, it becomes even clearer what must have occurred. The guy was on the ground, holding knives, refused to drop the knives, so they send in an attack dog and then shoot him for 'threatening the life of an officer' (the dog).

Wow, what a way to do it. I'm honestly impressed at the egregious creativity of this one. It's good enough they'll almost certainly get away with it.

Message edited by author 2014-03-21 16:50:09.
03/21/2014 05:43:36 PM · #123
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Spork99:

The problem is that the victim here continues to have open charges on his record, which essentially renders him unemployable along with other unpleasant consequences. It's a way the authorities can punish you without having a pesky trial and getting a conviction.

Oh yeah, they certainly CAN do that, and DO do that, and it's reprehensible.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not giving that jerk the benefit of the doubt, and I don't want it to sound like I am. I just wanted to make clear that IF an officer of the law SEES an illegal act happening, that's "probable cause" for a search...


...and the illegal act in this instance would have been what exactly?

The gut feeling of a police officer that an offence MIGHT have been committed would NOT witstand judicial scrutiny in this instance and I seriously doubt that the accused would ever be convicted of any crime.

It is also of paramount importance that this person fight this since, (as so aptly stated by 21.gif Cory a plea bargain is an admission of guilt and will definitely have a negative impact on the accused.

Ray
03/21/2014 11:39:12 PM · #124
Yep... Lapel cam footage released.

They used non-lethal and lethal force nearly simultaneously. What bullshit.
03/24/2014 02:41:48 AM · #125
Well, at least it's getting a lot of attention.

I even got a flyer for an 'emergency protest' while in line for a concert tonight.

Love, love, LOVE that they're now openly criticizing the chief of police for saying it was justified.
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