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10/21/2013 09:00:37 PM · #201 |
You have rated 77 of 84 images (92%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 77 images (91%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.8052.
One day to go.
I'm posting higher average votes than usual because I actually have to think about the image and consider the question: why did the artist decide to post this image? The answer can be illusive at first. |
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10/21/2013 09:02:47 PM · #202 |
P.S. to Posthumous: pls don't assign another challenge this week. I'm bushed and haven't even finished this one.
Message edited by author 2013-10-21 21:04:07. |
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10/21/2013 10:26:30 PM · #203 |
Originally posted by tvsometime:
P.S. to Posthumous: pls don't assign another challenge this week. I'm bushed and haven't even finished this one. |
next one is due spring of 2018 |
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10/21/2013 10:37:05 PM · #204 |
| the commenter who was so wrong about mine is still so wrong, even though it seems they came back to double check. pffft. opinions are fine. low scores, who cares. arrogance? stick it. |
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10/21/2013 11:10:36 PM · #205 |
Originally posted by jomari:
Originally posted by tome:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Stats: You have rated 84 of 84 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 84 images (99%) in this challenge. |
Missed an exclamation point somewhere, maybe? :-) |
How come 84/84 votes is 100% but 84/84 comments is 99%? The same thing with all the posted stats. |
'Cuz you can't vote on your own image, but you CAN comment on it after the voting's done? |
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10/21/2013 11:23:13 PM · #206 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
the commenter who was so wrong about mine is still so wrong, even though it seems they came back to double check. pffft. opinions are fine. low scores, who cares. arrogance? stick it. |
You know, I wonder if it's my comment...
I approached this as a very open and honest raw dump of how I analyze and think about photos when I vote.
Yes, I am a rather "egotistical" perhaps "arrogant" voter. What do you really want? I'm here to judge what you've put forward, and I'm doing that - my objective in scoring images isn't to make everyone feel good, or to make sure everyone gets a nice score. My goal is simply to ensure that the best images are scored the highest, and the worst are scored the lowest. I'm sure I am wrong sometimes, and sometimes I may miss things... Is that so terribly horrible? Yes, I am picky, and finicky, and all those other epithets you might find. I'm picky because that's the best way I know to discern who should be given a 10, and who should be given a 1.
If you really think about it, how truly arrogant is it to tell someone to 'stick it' when they've opened up their thought processes to you? |
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10/21/2013 11:34:31 PM · #207 |
I think when  skewsme was saying stick it, it referred to a commenter's arrogance not all the other stuff. As an honest question, can I ask you Cory, why you keep justifying your voting approach so often if you are so confident of it? |
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10/21/2013 11:50:01 PM · #208 |
Originally posted by daisydavid:
I think when skewsme was saying stick it, it referred to a commenter's arrogance not all the other stuff. As an honest question, can I ask you Cory, why you keep justifying your voting approach so often if you are so confident of it? |
Because I think it could be my vote and comment, or it could be another's vote and comment, but in any case, comments like "Stick it" really hurt the willingness of people to open up and share what they're thinking. It's not like you're not in the private thread and unaware of that.
And I don't think I'm the only one trying to be open and honest... In fact, and you well know this David - there are at least a couple of people who've been quite upset by the public reaction to this..
So, it's not really so much my style that I'm defending, but more like the cry and hue that I'm questioning.. Is it really appropriate? I'm not terribly sure it is. |
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10/21/2013 11:54:04 PM · #209 |
Just for reference: Forum rules 11-14 -- I think some of the comments here could be argued to have bordered on violations of the forum rules below.
Do not attack other users. This includes "calling out" specific comments or commenters in a hostile manner. Personal attacks are never appropriate in a constructive discussion. If you disagree with another participant, address their points without attacking them personally. Be aware that others may have differing opinions of a personal attack, so use care when posting. Please note that this includes publicly "calling out" commenters (whether by name or not) in a hostile way.
Do not bait or provoke other users. This does not promote civil discussion and will not be tolerated.
Assume good faith. When replying to a post, your reply must assume that the original poster's message was intended to be constructive and follow the rules. It's difficult to convey facial expressions or tone of voice over the forums, so a post that appears offensive may be well intentioned. If you cannot assume the original poster acted in good faith, report the post in question, and do not reply at all.
Above all, play nice. Be aware that the above rules are not all-inclusive. If you stir up trouble to prove a point, or engage in a pattern of disruptive behavior, we will address your actions, even if those actions do not violate any specific rule listed here. We will also handle any issues not specifically covered by the rules on a case by case basis.
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Also, I think it's a valid point that anyone who really did make horrible comments is in violation of the voting rules, specifically:
You may not offer slanderous, rude, profane or inflammatory comments
(And I do know of at least one user who has seriously regretted their entry because of the comments (of which mine was not one), so I'm not saying this isn't going on, but flaming the voter/commenters in the forums isn't really all that appropriate in any case... )
Message edited by author 2013-10-22 00:04:58. |
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10/22/2013 12:12:57 AM · #210 |
| First , it was an honest non confrontational question that I thought others may have been pondering, hence the open forum question. Secondly, it's John, David is my surname. But as an an afterthought, think about the feeling you have now to this discussion between us, I've given you an honest 'raw dump' question and you seem to have reacted with outraged. I'm pretty sure that's exactly how people feel when you give a raw dump too. Please take a step back and look at this as the opposite of what you think it is, this is not a personal attack, but you are being very sensitive about it. |
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10/22/2013 12:18:25 AM · #211 |
Originally posted by daisydavid:
First , it was an honest non confrontational question that I thought others may have been pondering, hence the open forum question. Secondly, it's John, David is my surname. But as an an afterthought, think about the feeling you have now to this discussion between us, I've given you an honest 'raw dump' question and you seem to have reacted with outraged. I'm pretty sure that's exactly how people feel when you give a raw dump too. Please take a step back and look at this as the opposite of what you think it is, this is not a personal attack, but you are being very sensitive about it. |
I hope you didn't find my response to be confrontational - it wasn't at all intended as such.
Outrage? Really? None of that at all intended... Read it in a calm soothing voice. Seriously. And as I noted, it's not even my style that I'm 'defending ' here.
BTW: Sorry about the name John. Really though, read it again, no offense was at all intended. Heck, I don't even know that we're discussing a comment I made, but I do feel that someone should speak up. You can't deny that there has been a seriously sad dampening effect on the whole thing, due to the reactions in this thread...
Message edited by author 2013-10-22 00:19:07. |
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10/22/2013 12:56:33 AM · #212 |
| I was hit by the ego again, should I tick that box? yeah what the hell, it might take a chip out of mine. |
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10/22/2013 01:28:10 AM · #213 |
@ Cory I just remind people of my name because I like the sound of it ;) no problem. Pulling out the rule book is a give away for the message has gone aslip, probably part of a natural reaction of your litigious society upbringing, lol. Anyway, have a free hug ;)
I wasn't referring to any particular comment, yours or otherwise. I'm still adjusting to your style I guess, I find that your personality can overpower what you are saying sometimes, and most of what you say makes sense, but not always ;). To that point , I was suggesting subtly that, overall, this horrible social experiment is an exercise in semantics, but a cathartic one at that, and it is a great opportunity to scrutinize ones style through the interaction of those poor souls we are commenting and voting on. It's a steep learning curve on both sides, and that's good. |
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10/22/2013 01:39:34 AM · #214 |
Originally posted by daisydavid:
@ Cory I just remind people of my name because I like the sound of it ;) no problem. Pulling out the rule book is a give away for the message has gone aslip, probably part of a natural reaction of your litigious society upbringing, lol. Anyway, have a free hug ;)
I wasn't referring to any particular comment, yours or otherwise. I'm still adjusting to your style I guess, I find that your personality can overpower what you are saying sometimes, and most of what you say makes sense, but not always ;). To that point , I was suggesting subtly that, overall, this horrible social experiment is an exercise in semantics, but a cathartic one at that, and it is a great opportunity to scrutinize ones style through the interaction of those poor souls we are commenting and voting on. It's a steep learning curve on both sides, and that's good. |
All true, except the bit about the rules - I simply brought that out to remind the thread folks, and the commenting folks, that there are some rules that they should be thinking about... :) And a free hug back John, combined with a good ol' rough American style handshake. :D
FWIW, I'm still adjusting to your style (and many others here)... I'm just a bit rough-edged I guess..
And - Hell, I've enjoyed this immensely - I just wish people weren't getting quite so upset about it... We've all got our opinions, and boy, do I ever wish I really got full honest feedback on all of my entries. I'd probably be a much better photographer.
So - the million dollar question John - would you do this again? (sooner than Don's next scheduled event in the Spring of 2018 that is....) :D
Message edited by author 2013-10-22 01:53:09. |
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10/22/2013 07:27:55 AM · #215 |
FWIW, I really appreciate both your score AND comment, Cory. One of the highest out of all my comments. Same goes for Ryan. :)
I do have to agree with Cory, stating things like "stick it" may scare of potential commenters; as for me... It doesn't.
Skewseme, you didn't like my "The End or The Beginning" entry, since it portrayed a gun. But... Your comment didn't offend, nor upset me. Simply because it gave me a look into your personal views. Granted, I *think* you stated that you didn't vote on it (I'm on mobile, so it's hard to toggle between pages) but I genuinely appreciated your comment. And even more so, the explanation comment you left as well.
I think rather than any of us taking these comments personal, we should just try and place ourselves in someone else's shoes. They are just expressing their thoughts... No harm intended, I'm sure.
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10/22/2013 07:52:25 AM · #216 |
| Ah, to do this again... it is time consuming, it is draining, like exam marking where you have to be fair, frank and sincere but have a degree of empathy when you know that this may be the extent of some peoples capacity and beyond that is your own subjective expectation. Not everyone is a good critic, some people are just good at creativity and not rationality. How can you really tell what is going on in a digital environment, tone and sincerity are immeasurable and fleeting. Maybe once a year, maybe never, it needs a ground swell, but I wont be instigating one too soon. This one shook some to the core, some it infuriated. For me, shows my style is a moderate glass half full critic, I wish I was tougher, but I'm comfortable with it here. Others, I wish some could loosen up or be a little more introspective of their effect on others. It's art, not war. 'Our chief weapon is surprise, fear and surprise; two chief weapons, fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency! Er, among our chief weapons are: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and near fanatical devotion to the Pope!' |
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10/22/2013 09:16:00 AM · #217 |
Can we leave out politics and religion ? We already swim in muddy waters.
Cheer up people. It' a photo site only. We talk about photography and as always, there are all kinds of voices.
Pick up your bruised ego and take the camera and do your best. The rest is superfluous. |
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10/22/2013 09:21:28 AM · #218 |
Originally posted by mariuca:
Can we leave out politics and religion ? We already swim in muddy waters.
Cheer up people. It' a photo site only. We talk about photography and as always, there are all kinds of voices.
Pick up your bruised ego and take the camera and do your best. The rest is superfluous. |
Exactly right... We all have our likes and dislikes, we all have opinions.
I like hearing what people have to say, whether they like my photos or not.
I really wish more people would comment in these challenges, and not be afraid to speak their minds.
But so many people get offended, that people are afraid to "ruffle the feathers".
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10/22/2013 09:46:09 AM · #219 |
 daisydavid took half the words out of my mouth.
So here's the rest.
Commenting is so difficult. Some variables are: the writing style, the culture, the challenge, your knowledge base, expectations, the image and so fourth. Read this thread to pick up more. It will be prudent to remember it, when both reading and creating the comments. Know your commenter. An "ugly" from  h2 and one from me will mean two different things.
Commenting like it was done here, is very difficult, and extremely hard work. I received on average 2 lines per comment, and all showed a commitment to look, try to understand and then comment. I really, really appreciate the effort put in.
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10/22/2013 09:47:27 AM · #220 |
Amusing, Mariuca. Thank you for your eloquent posts, Daisy. Sorry it didn't die.
I didn't damn all comments, opinions, or even ego. No one loves receiving an arrogant comment. Few will perish because of one, but some may post a wee gripe ;-) Why get stuck on one flip stick it? And Cory, for whatever it's worth, it isn't yours.
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10/22/2013 10:03:31 AM · #221 |
| Well...at least we have great thread to link too when someone asks why no one comments on lower votes, or wonders why comments in general are dwindling. |
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10/22/2013 10:06:23 AM · #222 |
Originally posted by mariuca:
Can we leave out politics and religion ? We already swim in muddy waters.
Cheer up people. It' a photo site only. We talk about photography and as always, there are all kinds of voices.
Pick up your bruised ego and take the camera and do your best. The rest is superfluous. |
I don't think bruised egos are the problem here...... but that's still good advice about the camera.
And yes, thanks for all the comments. I actually left a few more than my usual share, and may even have left a few numbers. There were a lot of great images out there! |
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10/22/2013 10:31:18 AM · #223 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
I actually left a few more than my usual share, and may even have left a few numbers. There were a lot of great images out there! |
Hmm Lynn, you did not leave me a comment and ... my camera got a bit heavier! But it's a nice day for shooting.
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10/22/2013 11:24:18 AM · #224 |
| I was using a Monty Python quote from the Spanish Inquisition. These threads are our currency just as much as are our photos. We extract meaning from illusions and trade them between ourselves while we jostle for place in the pack without being aware of it for the best part. Communicating to each other through our photos is so subjective and selective. The threads take up the slack, I post because I believe there are kernels of inspiration in interaction. |
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10/22/2013 11:45:46 AM · #225 |
Originally posted by daisydavid:
'Our chief weapon is surprise, fear and surprise; two chief weapons, fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency! Er, among our chief weapons are: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and near fanatical devotion to the Pope!' |
I couldn't agree more.
That said, i've finished my voting and commenting.
Since this isn't the thread for the scores, I can say here that I found some entries to be peripheral at best, and some to be bluntly direct. Neither is right or wrong, just interpretations, which can impact voters scores. Some people see artistic license as the ability to do whatever they feel suits the mood, and that is personal opinion, it doesn't mean that someone who doesn't see that is wrong, it means they have a different perspective and are entitled to think and feel how they want.
That is what i would love to have been able to put in the thread when i put redacted in strike-through font, but i've had messages sent and posts deleted for claiming i'm leading voters on how to think.
You have rated 82 of 84 images (98%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 84 images (99%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.5732.
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