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07/31/2018 09:55:05 AM · #576
There is a tendency to squeeze color into scenes to suit the given challenge (e.g. the BLUE challenge) and it usually gets good results. The challenge here was (in my mind) to prevent that. I found it pretty challenging but not ambiguous.
07/31/2018 10:29:54 AM · #577
I Googled "scene" and read all the definitions of the word before determining what it encompassed. Nevertheless, I'm very disappointed in the results so far and am wondering what has happened. My entry is one of my best so far yet it's hovering around 5.0 which is way lower than any score I've gotten lately. My first thought was maybe voters from "teams" are deliberately voting entries down. Afterall, who's to stop them from conferring on "team" entries outside of DPC even if they can't vote on team members entries during the challenge. Even if my entry specifically DNMC it's not THAT far off and the quality should warrant a better score than 5.0. So a lot of questions here and not a happy camper. In fact, I will NOT be entering anymore challenges after this that are specified as "team" challenges.
07/31/2018 10:48:53 AM · #578
LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE!

This is not a classroom with a few disciplinarians; the winner does not get a car - we like to take photo and to LOOK at pictures.
To paraphrase some famous words: do not look at what mark you got but what marks you give

If you don't like to participate in challenges, go for side challenges. Photo essays/photo collections...
If one wants only a thumb up there are plenty of places...
07/31/2018 10:53:14 AM · #579
Originally posted by digifotojo:

I Googled "scene" and read all the definitions of the word before determining what it encompassed. Nevertheless, I'm very disappointed in the results so far and am wondering what has happened. My entry is one of my best so far yet it's hovering around 5.0 which is way lower than any score I've gotten lately. My first thought was maybe voters from "teams" are deliberately voting entries down. Afterall, who's to stop them from conferring on "team" entries outside of DPC even if they can't vote on team members entries during the challenge. Even if my entry specifically DNMC it's not THAT far off and the quality should warrant a better score than 5.0. So a lot of questions here and not a happy camper. In fact, I will NOT be entering anymore challenges after this that are specified as "team" challenges.


I always feel like during the league the average vote tends to be lower but this challenge in particular is very strange. I am almost to the point of writing site council to look into it. There was a streak of very, very low votes that took everyone on my teams score down several points in a matter of just a few votes. This challenge has been very low scoring for all of our team, and I feel like we put together a pretty good group of shots.
07/31/2018 11:08:10 AM · #580
I thought discussions on themes during voting is discouraged. Keeping it that way encourages voting, in general, and let's the voters decide for themselves about the topic. Please stop.
07/31/2018 11:12:55 AM · #581
Originally posted by sjhuls:

Originally posted by digifotojo:

I Googled "scene" and read all the definitions of the word before determining what it encompassed. Nevertheless, I'm very disappointed in the results so far and am wondering what has happened. My entry is one of my best so far yet it's hovering around 5.0 which is way lower than any score I've gotten lately. My first thought was maybe voters from "teams" are deliberately voting entries down. Afterall, who's to stop them from conferring on "team" entries outside of DPC even if they can't vote on team members entries during the challenge. Even if my entry specifically DNMC it's not THAT far off and the quality should warrant a better score than 5.0. So a lot of questions here and not a happy camper. In fact, I will NOT be entering anymore challenges after this that are specified as "team" challenges.


I always feel like during the league the average vote tends to be lower but this challenge in particular is very strange. I am almost to the point of writing site council to look into it. There was a streak of very, very low votes that took everyone on my teams score down several points in a matter of just a few votes. This challenge has been very low scoring for all of our team, and I feel like we put together a pretty good group of shots.


Nice to see I’m not alone here... Took a huge nose dive in like 5-7 votes...
07/31/2018 11:14:51 AM · #582
Originally posted by sjhuls:

There was a streak of very, very low votes that took everyone on my teams score down several points in a matter of just a few votes. This challenge has been very low scoring for all of our team, and I feel like we put together a pretty good group of shots.


wow, and I haven't even voted yet! lol

Funny how people (not just sj) get a few high scores and then they think they know what score is due them for each photo from then on. Human nature.
07/31/2018 11:21:21 AM · #583
Originally posted by sjhuls:

[quote=digifotojo]

I always feel like during the league the average vote tends to be lower but this challenge in particular is very strange. I am almost to the point of writing site council to look into it. There was a streak of very, very low votes that took everyone on my teams score down several points in a matter of just a few votes. This challenge has been very low scoring for all of our team, and I feel like we put together a pretty good group of shots.


At 16 votes I was at 6.4 then at 21 votes I was at 5.3. I agree there is some low voting going on, but it is what it is. I over thought "Objects" for the whole week. Overthinking kills you. Trust me, every object does have a class system in place. A flower is a flower , a pencil is a pencil, a pot is a pot, they are not objects they all have names and categories that they fit into to. A scene with objects in them, is still objects, to our minds eye,

So this really is in the end, up to the individual that is taking the photo, what they classify as an object. And just as we all think, we have an object or a scene with our objects in them, someone else who is voting, say's we do not.

This is a game, a challenge, we can all be mad or happy. But in the end, don't get so bent out of shape. You are not going to lose out on life if it does not do well.

And I agree and disagree with [user]Penny Street[/user] we probably shouldn't be discussing it, BUT at least people are on the forum and talking about photography (even if it is to whine) and hopefully, they will notice other threads and comment on them, to boost the threads. Anything to have the boards not dead is attractive!

07/31/2018 11:23:07 AM · #584
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by sjhuls:

There was a streak of very, very low votes that took everyone on my teams score down several points in a matter of just a few votes. This challenge has been very low scoring for all of our team, and I feel like we put together a pretty good group of shots.


wow, and I haven't even voted yet! lol

Funny how people (not just sj) get a few high scores and then they think they know what score is due them for each photo from then on. Human nature.


True I do think we start to feel like we can guess the score and then when it doesn't go our way we kind of get upset. But this challenge is different, it didn't really matter what score you had to start with there were about 5 votes that took all of our scores down several points.
07/31/2018 11:25:57 AM · #585
Originally posted by sjhuls:

I always feel like during the league the average vote tends to be lower but this challenge in particular is very strange. I am almost to the point of writing site council to look into it. There was a streak of very, very low votes that took everyone on my teams score down several points in a matter of just a few votes. This challenge has been very low scoring for all of our team, and I feel like we put together a pretty good group of shots.


Don't worry, the same for our team. Several super low votes in a row. My average score during the league is 1 point lower than the rest of the year. Ok, I probably didn't shoot superb images, but 1 point is way too much. But not complaining, it was just to make you aware this is not against one single team.
07/31/2018 11:30:59 AM · #586
I just think that this challenge, voting was and is brutal. Just because people are confused as to what Objects are and 139 people, have all presented us with 139 different objects. So scores are going to be wild. And yes, I also think, we all predict our scores and then are surprised when they drop kick like they did in this particular challenge.
07/31/2018 12:30:47 PM · #587
Glad to hear I'm not the only one who suspects something is amiss. I haven't voted yet but when I do I plan to be open minded as always and score accordingly.

Object can be defined as follows: An entity is something that exists as itself, as a subject or as an object, actually or potentially, concretely or abstractly, physically or not. It need not be of material existence. In particular, abstractions and legal fictions are usually regarded as entities.

Therefore, the field is pretty broad as to what characterizes an object. However, that doesn't explain the low votes which I feel SC needs to look into.

Message edited by author 2018-07-31 12:42:23.
07/31/2018 12:36:23 PM · #588
Originally posted by JulietNN:

I just think that this challenge, voting was and is brutal.


My experience as well. Disheartening when you have put a lot of effort into an entry. It will be interesting to see how all this ends up. I think I'll go back and bump everyone at least 1 point, maybe 2. That will show them (the low voters). Maybe everyone that has voted should do this? :-)

Message edited by author 2018-07-31 12:40:30.
07/31/2018 01:54:59 PM · #589
FWIW, a check of the voting patterns suggests lower overall scores for this particular challenge, but only a handful of trollish patterns scattered among different teams. Most likely the audience wasn't as moved by this set of entries. As always, we ask voters to score entries on the merits of the image. We will disqualify challenge entries from, suspend or ban anyone who abuses the voting system in any way (including retaliatory lowballing).
07/31/2018 02:05:28 PM · #590
Originally posted by scalvert:

FWIW, a check of the voting patterns suggests lower overall scores for this particular challenge, but only a handful of trollish patterns scattered among different teams. Most likely the audience wasn't as moved by this set of entries. As always, we ask voters to score entries on the merits of the image. We will disqualify challenge entries from, suspend or ban anyone who abuses the voting system in any way (including retaliatory lowballing).


Yep, 139 different views on what an object is. Time to broaden our thinking by 138 times!! =P
07/31/2018 02:10:19 PM · #591
Originally posted by scalvert:

FWIW, a check of the voting patterns suggests lower overall scores for this particular challenge, but only a handful of trollish patterns scattered among different teams. Most likely the audience wasn't as moved by this set of entries. As always, we ask voters to score entries on the merits of the image. We will disqualify challenge entries from, suspend or ban anyone who abuses the voting system in any way (including retaliatory lowballing).


Thanks for checking, Those trolls must all vote at the same time ;) It was just weird how within about 3-5 votes the scores just plummeted. Normally they are more spread apart. So I'm glad it wasn't any group effort.
07/31/2018 02:12:45 PM · #592
if you want plaudits throw images up on facebook, if you're a masochist then DPC is the place to be haha

just not got to be precious, art is subjective and not everyone likes the same stuff,

it seems though that voters do love any excuse to down vote and are resistant to up voting, not seen many 8's , christoph aside. wheres as back in the day scores were higher in general
07/31/2018 02:20:35 PM · #593
Hope this helps..

You have rated 139 of 139 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 81 images (58%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.1295.
07/31/2018 03:00:23 PM · #594
Originally posted by digifotojo:

. . . You have commented on 81 images (58%) in this challenge. . . . .


Thanks for the comment Joanna.
07/31/2018 03:34:24 PM · #595
Originally posted by scalvert:

As always, we ask voters to score entries on the merits of the image. We will disqualify challenge entries from, suspend or ban anyone who abuses the voting system in any way (including retaliatory lowballing).

Oooh, Retaliatory Lowballers™ sounds like a cool team name for next DPL season.
07/31/2018 03:47:31 PM · #596
A rant is a rant is a rant.

I think in general people hold to much importance of how their image is received in a challenge. The only and I mean only opinion we should feel judged by is our own, if we are happy with our photo then that should be enough reward in itself, if it isn’t then we can either move into the conceptual mold of what we think is popular or be very unsatisfied and discontented with how things are going, either way we lose big time. I would much rather have a photo hitting a 4.2 and feel totally satisfied with the shot than be leading the pack with what I consider to be an insipid and sterile take on the challenge. I think what I’m trying to say is that if we were just to stop living by other people’s concepts of what a good photo is and truly try to make it how we like it, there would be no more bitching about scores and challenges.

If you are not satisfied with and are feeling unhappy, upset or put down by the way your photo is doing, then you can be sure of one thing: you’re living by other people’s concepts and are moving in the opposite direction to what should be your art. When you enter or vote on a challenge, just empty your mind of others, of what they would take, of what they might vote, of what the would think of MY photo, of MY score, then relax and enjoy, your the boss here, take it and move freely in your own direction and stop bitching.

Ask yourself why would you feel judged by an another? If it’s insecurity about your own abilities, after all that is the only true answer, then know that this is a competition site so you’ll either feel up or down.

Message edited by author 2018-07-31 15:56:12.
07/31/2018 04:07:40 PM · #597
Originally posted by jagar:

A rant is a rant is a rant.

I think in general people hold to much importance of how their image is received in a challenge. The only and I mean only opinion we should feel judged by is our own, if we are happy with our photo then that should be enough reward in itself, if it isn’t then we can either move into the conceptual mold of what we think is popular or be very unsatisfied and discontented with how things are going, either way we lose big time. I would much rather have a photo hitting a 4.2 and feel totally satisfied with the shot than be leading the pack with what I consider to be an insipid and sterile take on the challenge. I think what I’m trying to say is that if we were just to stop living by other people’s concepts of what a good photo is and truly try to make it how we like it, there would be no more bitching about scores and challenges.

If you are not satisfied with and are feeling unhappy, upset or put down by the way your photo is doing, then you can be sure of one thing: you’re living by other people’s concepts and are moving in the opposite direction to what should be your art. When you enter or vote on a challenge, just empty your mind of others, of what they would take, of what they might vote, of what the would think of MY photo, of MY score, then relax and enjoy, your the boss here, take it and move freely in your own direction and stop bitching.

Ask yourself why would you feel judged by an another? If it’s insecurity about your own abilities, after all that is the only true answer, then know that this is a competition site so you’ll either feel up or down.


I've pretty much come to the place where I am photographing more for myself, than what score it will get and am happy with photos despite their score. Which is why I probably don't enter much anymore. Truth is if you are entering in a challenge, you have to care a little bit about the score or you wouldn't bother entering. Not saying this is the only reason people enter but I think it is the major reason people enter. This of course is DPL season so its all about the scores. So whether or not I care about a score individually doesn't matter, I want to try and get a good score for my team.
07/31/2018 04:14:22 PM · #598
Just remember the DPL scores are based on percentages not absolutes, so as long as your crappy score is higher than my crappy score, you still win!
07/31/2018 04:31:34 PM · #599
Good point, well made :)

Originally posted by Melethia:

Just remember the DPL scores are based on percentages not absolutes, so as long as your crappy score is higher than my crappy score, you still win!


(we never did get that 'like' button did we).
07/31/2018 05:51:07 PM · #600
Our team too experienced a very weird voting pattern yesterday in "Colored Objects"...Scores fell drastically within a very short time. I am not complaining about low
scores but curious as to why it happened so quickly and was so radical.
Votes seem pathologically low in this challenge. I just keep compensating by voting a few points higher.. it's the "they go low, we go high' syndrome.
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