Current challenge topic bitch and moan thread

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

10/20/2017 08:48:27 AM · #451

We at least *attempt* to keep a balance between technical, conceptual, and subject-oriented challenges. Technical challenges tend to be repetitive by nature, as do subject-oriented to a lesser degree. It's been over 2 years since we had a Rule-of-Thirds challenge... These "very original" challenge topics Art mentions, whilst interesting in their own right, often tend to be a little esoteric and attract fewer participants. We don't want to become the "Oddball Challenge" site, at least not any more than we already have :-)

P-A-U-L

Canon EOS R6

10/20/2017 10:23:28 AM · #452

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Thank you Robert. You guys at SC do a fabulous job and it is much appreciated! These guys would moan even if they won the lottery ;)

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

10/20/2017 01:39:40 PM · #453

Originally posted by P-A-U-L:

These guys would moan even if they won the lottery ;)

THERE'S a news flash!

salmiakki

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony Sonnar T* 35mm F2.8 ZA

10/20/2017 01:41:47 PM · #454

Originally posted by P-A-U-L:

Thank you Robert. You guys at SC do a fabulous job and it is much appreciated! These guys would moan even if they won the lottery ;)

I think only Art was moaning :)

tanguera

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

10/20/2017 01:45:17 PM · #455

Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by P-A-U-L:
Thank you Robert. You guys at SC do a fabulous job and it is much appreciated! These guys would moan even if they won the lottery ;)

I think only Art was moaning :)

Well, this IS the bitch and MOAN thread....

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8 L II USM Lens

10/20/2017 01:56:15 PM · #456

Originally posted by salmiakki:

Actually, I was more bitching than moaning.

Originally posted by tanguera:

Well, this IS the bitch and MOAN thread....

Yes, it is. :)

Originally posted by P-A-U-L:

These guys would moan even if they won the lottery ;)

I accept your challenge!

All fair points and reasoned responses (except P-A-U-L's) ;-)

I'm over it.

skewsme

Canon EOS-6D

10/20/2017 02:14:51 PM · #457

Would like to see all new challenge topics vetted in a public thread, the way member suggestions are.

P-A-U-L

Canon EOS R6

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

10/20/2017 02:18:33 PM · #458

Originally posted by tanguera:

Well, this IS the bitch and MOAN thread....

Fair play - bitch and moan away :)

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/20/2017 05:21:00 PM · #459

Originally posted by skewsme:

Would like to see all new challenge topics vetted in a public thread, the way member suggestions are.

Even the ones that are repeats of standard technical challenges?

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

10/20/2017 06:01:12 PM · #460

It's not as much of a challenge if people know what the topic will be a week ahead of posting, and could give those who frequent the forums a significant head-start. I've always thought that any topics suggested in a thread not be posted until the thread has been off the front page for at least a couple of weeks.

10/20/2017 07:15:12 PM · #461

Originally posted by GeneralE:

I'm thinking that the topics could be vetted in the forum before they are added to the official suggestion pool or some sort of topic queue and then they could be randomly picked with an override capability for timely or current events that might supersede.

10/20/2017 07:26:29 PM · #462

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
It's not as much of a challenge if people know what the topic will be a week ahead of posting, and could give those who frequent the forums a significant head-start. I've always thought that any topics suggested in a thread not be posted until the thread has been off the front page for at least a couple of weeks.

I'm thinking that the topics could be vetted in the forum before they are added to the official suggestion pool or some sort of topic queue and then they could be randomly picked with an override capability for timely or current events that might supersede.

That's mostly exactly how it happens. Almost every challenge we post, certainly at least 85-90% of them, are from the queue, which originated ion the forums, or from the archived old challenges, which originally were part of the queue, which originated in the forums... Exceptions mostly are "timely challenges" of one sort or another, and many of THOSE originate in the forums also, like the Tom Petty as a recent example. Those aren't usually "queued" because they are targeted to a specific time frame. Occasionally we post a challenge that came out of SC brains and got queued without being forumized, but there aren't a lot of those.

I believe DPC is more user-driven on challenge topics than any other site I've seen, frankly. I could be wrong.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/20/2017 07:30:37 PM · #463

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

That's mostly exactly how it happens.

Ok. Then I guess we're done here. :) ...for now.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

10/20/2017 08:19:05 PM · #464

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's mostly exactly how it happens.

Ok. Then I guess we're done here. :) ...for now.

I somehow doubt you can resist posting at least one more time ... :-)

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8 L II USM Lens

10/20/2017 08:49:04 PM · #465

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's mostly exactly how it happens.

Ok. Then I guess we're done here. :) ...for now.

I somehow doubt you can resist posting at least one more time ... :-)

Not gonna happen.

skewsme

Canon EOS-6D

10/20/2017 09:02:38 PM · #466

I disagree. There seems to be a significant increase in "SC brain" challenges in the past couple years. It can feel like someone is stuffing the ballot box. Some of these challenges might benefit from vetting for language, intent, popularity. Why not let them see light of day like other suggestions.

Btw, thanks Art for your restrained and rational input.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

10/20/2017 11:59:31 PM · #467

Originally posted by skewsme:

I'm not sure there's EVER been a time when every single challenge, without exception, was discussed in forums and vetted before being placed in the queue, but I've only been SC for a couple years so I'm not the one to know. For what it's worth, I looked at the most recent 60 challenges right now and as far as I can tell only maybe 4 of them are not either repeats of previous challenges or challenges that were proposed in the forums and selected from the queue. Bear in mind that the queue has literally hundreds of challenges that have been proposed over the years and, for one reason or another, have never been used.

Let's be more specific here; you seem very insistent about this. Exactly what would you propose as the "proper" mechanism, or a viable one, for generating and posting challenge topics?

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

10/21/2017 12:08:19 PM · #468

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Let's be more specific here; you seem very insistent about this. Exactly what would you propose as the "proper" mechanism, or a viable one, for generating and posting challenge topics?

skewsme for Challenge Selection Minister!!!

skewsme

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8 L II USM Lens

10/21/2017 08:10:31 PM · #469

All I was suggesting was that SC, who are also DPC members who can enter challenges, might submit their new ideas for challenge suggestions in the Challenge Suggestion forum, like other members do. That is all. Much hooplah unwarranted.

tnun

Ricoh GR III

Pentax DA 18-135mm F3.5-5.6ED AL [IF] WR DC

10/21/2017 09:04:32 PM · #470

ah. I like that. I think we should have a "Unwarranted Hooplah" challenge.

Message edited by author 2017-10-21 21:04:54.

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

10/21/2017 09:38:38 PM · #471

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

. Exactly what would you propose as the "proper" mechanism, or a viable one, for generating and posting challenge topics?

Answer in 25 words or less and submit one Cracker Jack boxtop to validate submission.
(This is meant to be humorous and post will be understood only by old people)

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/21/2017 09:45:49 PM · #472

Originally posted by tnun:

ah. I like that. I think we should have a "Unwarranted Hooplah" challenge.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

10/21/2017 10:47:42 PM · #473

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by tnun:
ah. I like that. I think we should have a "Unwarranted Hooplah" challenge.

+1

Are you sure you didn't misread that at "Unwatered Hookah"?