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 01/18/2015 12:51:34 PM · #326
Originally posted by Elaine:
Originally posted by PapaBob:

While I personally like both, having both in the best of challenge is like putting a Volkswagen in a Ferrari challenge. I stand by my original statement that having a best of for each makes more sense, could even throw in a basic also.

Sounds like you are saying the VW could never win, but the folks that own a VW want to win so we will give them a category where they don't have to compete with the Ferraris. That, to me, says we are not showing the best of most people's work...

Oh, for heaven's sake! "Expert Editing" is a whole different world.
 01/18/2015 12:53:19 PM · #327
Originally posted by Elaine:
Originally posted by PapaBob:

While I personally like both, having both in the best of challenge is like putting a Volkswagen in a Ferrari challenge. I stand by my original statement that having a best of for each makes more sense, could even throw in a basic also.


Sounds like you are saying the VW could never win, but the folks that own a VW want to win so we will give them a category where they don't have to compete with the Ferraris. That, to me, says we are not showing the best of most people's work...


Bingo!

Although my guess is that we are not showing the best of a minority of people's work. But in any case, I want to see what everyone considers their best work.

Message edited by author 2015-01-18 13:01:20.
 01/18/2015 01:38:53 PM · #328
Originally posted by FromDaRock:
Originally posted by Elaine:
Originally posted by PapaBob:

While I personally like both, having both in the best of challenge is like putting a Volkswagen in a Ferrari challenge. I stand by my original statement that having a best of for each makes more sense, could even throw in a basic also.


Sounds like you are saying the VW could never win, but the folks that own a VW want to win so we will give them a category where they don't have to compete with the Ferraris. That, to me, says we are not showing the best of most people's work...


Bingo!

Although my guess is that we are not showing the best of a minority of people's work. But in any case, I want to see what everyone considers their best work.


So you want to beat people who have their hands tied behind their back, I agree a good photo could compete at any level of editing but the odds are an expert editing photo done correctly would win hands down.
 01/18/2015 03:58:14 PM · #329
Although warmth is well timed (currently almost 70 degrees in Oklahoma), I have absolutely no clue what to do for the freedom of expression challenge.

It's probably gonna be a shoehorn.
 01/18/2015 04:39:51 PM · #330
Originally posted by CPBailey:
mmmmm.....love San Diego, but some cold nights this winter. I think it was actually 40 last night. ;)


I Just spit out my coffee when I read this. Down all the way to 40 you say. Last week in the Ottawa area where I live the temperature dropped to -41C.

Ray
 01/18/2015 05:32:46 PM · #331
Originally posted by PapaBob:


So you want to beat people who have their hands tied behind their back, I agree a good photo could compete at any level of editing but the odds are an expert editing photo done correctly would win hands down.


I'm not going to beat anyone. I've never won a ribbon. Only been close a couple of times. A great photo should win, regardless of how it was created. Not sure why most people assume a photo using expert editing rules is going to win.
 01/18/2015 05:51:27 PM · #332
Realistically, what does Expert give you that Advanced doesn't other than the ability to composite bits and pieces of multiple shots and add type? That may result in your best image but I'm not sure it constitutes your best photograph.
 01/18/2015 06:00:49 PM · #333
Originally posted by PapaBob:

So you want to beat people who have their hands tied behind their back, I agree a good photo could compete at any level of editing but the odds are an expert editing photo done correctly would win hands down.


I am unlikely to beat anybody, as I have so far only advanced to the realm of Master of the Mediocre.

I do however, find it very funny that you should word your statement the way you did since it is exactly what is being done now by not allowing expert editing. The phrase to tie ones hands behind their back actually means to unfairly restrict someone. Expert editing is freeing everyone's hands to do what they are capable of. The fact that some are not as capable as others (a group I include myself in) is present in anything you do, including advanced editing.

I am not suggesting that all challenges should be expert editing, but that one that is supposed to present the Best Of certainly should. Especially if you consider that there is already a Best Of (Free Study) each month that is Advanced Editing. That fact alone likely makes the Best of for the year your 2nd best or worse.
 01/18/2015 06:19:16 PM · #334
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Realistically, what does Expert give you that Advanced doesn't other than the ability to composite bits and pieces of multiple shots and add type? That may result in your best image but I'm not sure it constitutes your best photograph.


Good distinction. I am more interested in making images rather than photographs. That's something everyone has to decide for him/her self.

I don't make composites. Well, I guess I have changed out a sky or grass, but I've never done a complete composite. Expert gives me the chance to clone major elements out, move them around, dodge or burn so that elements are "removed", use anything from Topaz Impression, or just edit without worrying about whether the rules are being broken.

Edit to add: My Lint entry is a good example. In my personal version, I moved the lint over so there was more negative space on the left. I also used Topaz Impression to get rid of the hair. Not sure I would have gone that far in my entry since it didn't look much like lint at that point.

Message edited by author 2015-01-18 18:22:39.
 01/18/2015 06:25:12 PM · #335
And I think if you have you remove something major or move things around it's no different than compositing an image from separate shots. If you have to "remove something major" it doesn't sound like the best photograph you took, just suitable source material.
 01/18/2015 07:13:20 PM · #336
Originally posted by FromDaRock:

I am not suggesting that all challenges should be expert editing, but that one that is supposed to present the Best Of certainly should. Especially if you consider that there is already a Best Of (Free Study) each month that is Advanced Editing. That fact alone likely makes the Best of for the year your 2nd best or worse.

The 'Best Of' should be your best photograph, not your best photo-shopped collage / piece of fiction. Advanced ruleset is the "Best" choice for the 'Best Of' challenge.
 01/18/2015 07:13:33 PM · #337
Originally posted by GeneralE:
And I think if you have you remove something major or move things around it's no different than compositing an image from separate shots. If you have to "remove something major" it doesn't sound like the best photograph you took, just suitable source material.

+1
 01/18/2015 08:43:20 PM · #338
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FromDaRock:

I am not suggesting that all challenges should be expert editing, but that one that is supposed to present the Best Of certainly should. Especially if you consider that there is already a Best Of (Free Study) each month that is Advanced Editing. That fact alone likely makes the Best of for the year your 2nd best or worse.

The 'Best Of' should be your best photograph, not your best photo-shopped collage / piece of fiction. Advanced ruleset is the "Best" choice for the 'Best Of' challenge.


Another rant against Expert. I just put another thread on Ignore. Bye.
 01/18/2015 11:32:01 PM · #339
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FromDaRock:

I am not suggesting that all challenges should be expert editing, but that one that is supposed to present the Best Of certainly should. Especially if you consider that there is already a Best Of (Free Study) each month that is Advanced Editing. That fact alone likely makes the Best of for the year your 2nd best or worse.

The 'Best Of' should be your best photograph, not your best photo-shopped collage / piece of fiction. Advanced ruleset is the "Best" choice for the 'Best Of' challenge.


This is why I suggested my challenge topic 2014 expert editing challenge. I actually don't think "best of" challenge should be expert I think it should be advanced and then a separate yearly expert challenge. The expert would be totally different and have a totally different feel to it but I still think it would be fun.
 01/19/2015 06:14:39 AM · #340
Originally posted by sjhuls:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FromDaRock:

I am not suggesting that all challenges should be expert editing, but that one that is supposed to present the Best Of certainly should. Especially if you consider that there is already a Best Of (Free Study) each month that is Advanced Editing. That fact alone likely makes the Best of for the year your 2nd best or worse.

The 'Best Of' should be your best photograph, not your best photo-shopped collage / piece of fiction. Advanced ruleset is the "Best" choice for the 'Best Of' challenge.

This is why I suggested my challenge topic 2014 expert editing challenge. I actually don't think "best of" challenge should be expert I think it should be advanced and then a separate yearly expert challenge. The expert would be totally different and have a totally different feel to it but I still think it would be fun.

Understood. Works for me. :-D
 01/19/2015 07:11:43 AM · #341
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FromDaRock:

I am not suggesting that all challenges should be expert editing, but that one that is supposed to present the Best Of certainly should. Especially if you consider that there is already a Best Of (Free Study) each month that is Advanced Editing. That fact alone likely makes the Best of for the year your 2nd best or worse.

The 'Best Of' should be your best photograph, not your best photo-shopped collage / piece of fiction. Advanced ruleset is the "Best" choice for the 'Best Of' challenge.


This would be where our opinions differ then. Of course, my second point still stands then, that it isn't likely to actually be your best shot for the year, as you would most likely have already submitted that.
 01/19/2015 12:22:47 PM · #342
Originally posted by FromDaRock:
Of course, my second point still stands then, that it isn't likely to actually be your best shot for the year, as you would most likely have already submitted that.

You've never seen or experienced a Free Study where people (or you) ask whether they should have submitted one of their out-takes instead? Not every Free Study submission is necesswarily someone's "best" photo, whether by intent or erroneous choice. Or someone may have two "terrific" photos some month and can only submit one ...

Message edited by author 2015-01-19 12:23:31.
 01/19/2015 08:22:14 PM · #343
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by FromDaRock:
Of course, my second point still stands then, that it isn't likely to actually be your best shot for the year, as you would most likely have already submitted that.

You've never seen or experienced a Free Study where people (or you) ask whether they should have submitted one of their out-takes instead? Not every Free Study submission is necesswarily someone's "best" photo, whether by intent or erroneous choice. Or someone may have two "terrific" photos some month and can only submit one ...


Which is why said it isn't likely, as opposed to won't be. This case and of course people registering later in the year, or missing a monthly challenge, are the minority cases though, IMHO, the majority case will be that someone already submitted their best image in a monthly Free Study.
 01/19/2015 08:48:39 PM · #344
Well, with the experimental submission schedule for Best of 2015 you can always submit your very best of the year to that and your second-best that month to the Free Study -- your choice. I think that's part of the point of doing it that way.

Message edited by author 2015-01-19 20:49:00.
 01/20/2015 08:02:27 AM · #345
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Well, with the experimental submission schedule for Best of 2015 you can always submit your very best of the year to that and your second-best that month to the Free Study -- your choice. I think that's part of the point of doing it that way.


I think I will just hope that sjhuls challenge suggestion is selected. Sadly, I already re-edited what I consider to be my best shot last year so that it would fall under the Advanced ruleset. So I have no idea what I would submit for that challenge anyway.

C'est la vie!
 01/28/2015 07:26:01 AM · #346
Tradesman?!? WTF is that? I'm not going out to find someone at work in the middle of winter and photographing them.

Where did this challenge even come from?
 01/28/2015 07:46:36 AM · #347
Originally posted by giantmike:
Tradesman?!? WTF is that? I'm not going out to find someone at work in the middle of winter and photographing them.

Where did this challenge even come from?


it just so happens i'll be on site tomorrow, taking pics of some tradesmen. perfect timing.
 01/28/2015 07:53:41 AM · #348
Originally posted by giantmike:
Tradesman?!? WTF is that? I'm not going out to find someone at work in the middle of winter and photographing them.

Where did this challenge even come from?


You could get a buddy to pose as a tradesman, the worse the weather conditions the more dramatic the shot. And the more beer required in trade.
 01/28/2015 08:37:39 AM · #349
Originally posted by giantmike:
Tradesman?!? WTF is that? I'm not going out to find someone at work in the middle of winter and photographing them.

Where did this challenge even come from?

+1
 01/28/2015 09:40:38 AM · #350
Originally posted by giantmike:
Tradesman?!? WTF is that? I'm not going out to find someone at work in the middle of winter and photographing them.


There are tradesmen doing their job in winter, as well, right? There are also ones that do it indoors, regardless of the season and/or weather. At the end, as MadMan2k, noted, you can always stage a scene and have someone pose as a "tradesman (or woman) at work".

I'm not a native English speaker, but my understanding of the definition of tradesman as "skilled manual worker" includes:
- Butcher
- Barber
- Baker
- Carpenter
- Gunsmith
- Barista
- Bricklayer or other construction site worker
- Chef

I don't see any season/weather related issues with them. Except for construction workers, but even they work in winter and the weather might add to the drama of the shot.
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