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09/01/2013 01:06:36 AM · #126
"The snapshots with no time, effort or skill involved."

Hey!! That's MY style.... :-)

I don't get a lot of 1s, but I sure get my fair share of 4s!!
09/01/2013 02:25:22 AM · #127
Well my 2 cents worth is YAY.... and I AM Glad that the Administration let it be known!! Nothing is more offensive (to me) than seeing a picture that clearly should've been lets say in the top 5 not get there from vote bombs, OR the Blue pix that defiantly deserved to win with 10+ 1's hung on it.... I've always thought it should be required if you vote a 3 or below that for that vote to count you had to send a reason why you voted that way.....

As far as snapshots with no skill or effort involved.. Perhaps one of those is a new to not only DPC but also photography and they are proud of what they did... ( I know I was ) er ahh and still am.... :-)



Oh and Melethia you freak.... LOL This Is one of my all time Fav pix, I've tried n tried to shoot and edit one like this, and ain't got er did yet!!! So I'm gonna open it up real big and take a picture of your picture and enter it in the next FS!!!

Message edited by author 2013-09-01 02:30:35.
09/01/2013 04:07:03 AM · #128
Originally posted by tnun:

kerfuffle kerfuffle. I have a strong urge now to vote 1 on nearly everything, regardless or even irregardless.


Me too
09/01/2013 04:10:38 AM · #129
Originally posted by tnun:

Don wrote to Cory:

"... OK, so your criteria are time, effort and skill. My criteria are mind, heart and spirit. ..."

let the ones fall where they may, I say.


Oh heck no. :)

He wrote that to Wendy.

I wrote something totally in between both of them, giving credit to all aesthetics.
09/01/2013 09:40:17 AM · #130
Originally posted by posthumous:

Why do so many people seem to know what's going on, and I have no idea?

I recently gave a 1 to a blue ribbon, am I next?

You've been on the watch list for years. But like the entry for Earth in The Hitchhikers Guide To the Galaxy, you have been designated "mostly harmless".
09/01/2013 10:24:30 AM · #131
FWIW. From my years here, the SC seems willing to work with folks willing to work with them. But those who escalate things into a friend / enemy scenario and/or insist on continuing behavior that is against the rules... At some point the SC comes to the conclusion that the situation can't continue.

Switch subject - I enjoy photography, and enjoy dpc (mostly). But, photography is not my life, and with everything else I've got going on, a good deal of my entries fall into most folks opinion of low effort. IMO just because a photo is easy does not mean it isn't good. My ironic sense of humor shows up in my photography from time to time.

A great example is my entry in Closed (which scored typically for me). The one comment was about how taking a picture from inside a car on a road didn't show enough effort. I can see that. But I did it on purpose. The picture shows trying to leave an area only to find the gate locked and blocking your exit.

That being said, I appreciate fellow dpc'ers and have learned a lot from being here. For me, that is what the site is about and the SC's efforts are appreciated.
09/01/2013 10:42:58 AM · #132
Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

It's rare that a blue-ribboning DPC image would even get a second look from from the esteemed jurors of a cutting-edge "art photography" exhibition in the real world. So the 1's don't surprise me.


But, again, are they really, truly DESERVING of that 1?

I say, most often, no. Of course, it's your right to do as you please, but I have no problem with SC slapping folks who consistently punish those who've done their best to meet the challenge in a manner that produces an attractive, emotive, or engaging image - and it's rare to find a photo this isn't at least one of those.

If you're here to punish conformists, really, I mean, damn - get a life or something.
so, if you're giving a 1 to a photo, it's an objective decision, but if someone with a different aesthetic, like for example almost every museum curator, gives a photo a 1, then it's punishment.
Originally posted by Cory:


Again, it's just a matter of recognizing that loving something doesn't require you to hate everything else. Or, at least, that's this guy's opinion on the matter. Yours may well differ.

so, if you're giving a 1 to a photo, then it's an objective decision, but if someone with a different opinion gives a 1, it's an act of hate.

and the reason your aesthetic receives this justification is because groupthink granted these photos blue ribbons. imho, a large, healthy group of opinions would put ones on almost every photo.
09/01/2013 10:53:05 AM · #133
Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by tnun:

Don wrote to Cory:

"... OK, so your criteria are time, effort and skill. My criteria are mind, heart and spirit. ..."

let the ones fall where they may, I say.


Oh heck no. :)

He wrote that to Wendy.

I wrote something totally in between both of them, giving credit to all aesthetics.


Ah, yes you did. so sorry. I have corrected my statement, if that is any help. I just get so excited about these issues, or anything that might impinge on my right to whelm peeps with ones.
09/01/2013 10:55:38 AM · #134
Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by tnun:

Don wrote to Cory:

"... OK, so your criteria are time, effort and skill. My criteria are mind, heart and spirit. ..."

let the ones fall where they may, I say.


Oh heck no. :)

He wrote that to Wendy.

I wrote something totally in between both of them, giving credit to all aesthetics.


Ah, yes you did. so sorry. I have corrected my statement, if that is any help. I just get so excited about these issues, or anything that might impinge on my right to whelm peeps with ones.

and I did my bit by writing something to Cory hahahhhahahaha
09/01/2013 11:09:24 AM · #135
Fortunately only a few of my dupe accounts regularly practice reverse voting, so this is not as big a deal as I initially thought.
09/01/2013 11:16:34 AM · #136
If this issue is as big as this thread, Then introduce a script that only lets you vote in contest your are not entered.
09/01/2013 11:21:32 AM · #137
Originally posted by Kronus:

If this issue is as big as this thread, Then introduce a script that only lets you vote in contest your are not entered.

If we did that the site would crater. Even as it is, there are sometimes fewer votes on entries than there are entries in the challenge. The pool of active challenge entrants and the pool of active voters overlap to a HUGE extent.
09/01/2013 11:30:25 AM · #138
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

It's rare that a blue-ribboning DPC image would even get a second look from from the esteemed jurors of a cutting-edge "art photography" exhibition in the real world. So the 1's don't surprise me.


But, again, are they really, truly DESERVING of that 1?

I say, most often, no. Of course, it's your right to do as you please, but I have no problem with SC slapping folks who consistently punish those who've done their best to meet the challenge in a manner that produces an attractive, emotive, or engaging image - and it's rare to find a photo this isn't at least one of those.

If you're here to punish conformists, really, I mean, damn - get a life or something.
so, if you're giving a 1 to a photo, it's an objective decision, but if someone with a different aesthetic, like for example almost every museum curator, gives a photo a 1, then it's punishment.
Originally posted by Cory:


Again, it's just a matter of recognizing that loving something doesn't require you to hate everything else. Or, at least, that's this guy's opinion on the matter. Yours may well differ.

so, if you're giving a 1 to a photo, then it's an objective decision, but if someone with a different opinion gives a 1, it's an act of hate.

and the reason your aesthetic receives this justification is because groupthink granted these photos blue ribbons. imho, a large, healthy group of opinions would put ones on almost every photo.


I think the confusion is not that you don't like the "conformist" shots, it is that you find them so lacking in any redeemable qualities that they deserve a 1, in your eyes. To be honest, I'm not sure I've ever given a 1, and if I did it was probably a combination of offensive/bad photography/off topic, all at once. I don't think any of us are suggesting that you aren't allowed to vote that way. I think we just don't get being so harsh.
09/01/2013 11:37:30 AM · #139
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Kronus:

If this issue is as big as this thread, Then introduce a script that only lets you vote in contest your are not entered.

If we did that the site would crater. Even as it is, there are sometimes fewer votes on entries than there are entries in the challenge. The pool of active challenge entrants and the pool of active voters overlap to a HUGE extent.

Additionally, you all agree to vote fairly when you sign up, and we trust you to do so until given a reason to believe otherwise, and the vast majority fulfill that trust. Incidents/situations like this are very rare.

When there are official team competitions in effect, we do block the ability to vote on your own teamates' images, the same as your own.

I'm curious ... how many of you, if voting "honestly", would give every one of your own entries a "10"?
09/01/2013 11:43:27 AM · #140
Originally posted by posthumous:


Again, it's just a matter of recognizing that loving something doesn't require you to hate everything else. Or, at least, that's this guy's opinion on the matter. Yours may well differ.

so, if you're giving a 1 to a photo, then it's an objective decision, but if someone with a different opinion gives a 1, it's an act of hate.

and the reason your aesthetic receives this justification is because groupthink granted these photos blue ribbons. imho, a large, healthy group of opinions would put ones on almost every photo. [/quote]

If I give a 1 it most certainly is a nearly hateful act of total and complete dismissal. If I drop a 1 on you, it really does mean that you should probably consider picking up a new hobby.

So, yes, I suppose I do project that onto any 1 I receive to some degree - and I years ago really didn't like the stuff you enjoy Don - but because YOU enjoyed it, and made it clear, I worked hard to understand the aesthetic, and I get it now (mostly anyway, I think)... I do vote highly on those types of images now, and have only benefitted from broadening my perspective on the matter.

Now, perhaps that's some reason that a myopic voting practice helps one in some goal of theirs, where anything that is well done in the common sense is simply so abhorrent that it cannot help but merit a 1 vote.. But to my way of thinking, that's not really an admirable or laudable way of going about things - shouldn't one at least attempt to appreciate the variety of aesthetic values that are shared with us? Now, I can be more forgiving of the super low votes on the less mainstream styles simply because the voter may not 'get' it, or may simply not be aware of the aesthetic being sought. But the same cannot be said of those who vote so low on mainstream images - it simply isn't possible that they're not aware of the style, and are simple voting out of sheer lack of information. Nah, there really is something more going on there.

But... And this is the crucial point - I may not agree with it, but if you're consistent in doing so, and aren't just playing games with the system, I really can't say that you're wrong, or shouldn't do what you're doing.. It just doesn't sit particularly well with me because it seems almost mean spirited.

*shrug*

You did dance around answering the question I posed: Are the mainstream images that win honestly deserving of the 1 votes - is it honestly possible that someone can see it as fair to call that the worst of the worst? I know you say that a healthy community would always have a 1 vote - but a city would look strange without crazy bums too. ;)
09/01/2013 11:44:51 AM · #141
Originally posted by escapetooz:



I think the confusion is not that you don't like the "conformist" shots, it is that you find them so lacking in any redeemable qualities that they deserve a 1, in your eyes. To be honest, I'm not sure I've ever given a 1, and if I did it was probably a combination of offensive/bad photography/off topic, all at once. I don't think any of us are suggesting that you aren't allowed to vote that way. I think we just don't get being so harsh.


Hers is much more concise.
09/01/2013 12:03:12 PM · #142
Originally posted by GeneralE:

. . . I'm curious ... how many of you, if voting "honestly", would give every one of your own entries a "10"?


Not I. I would give myself a 10 very rarely. I would probably never give myself a 1, 2 or 3. A 4? as seldom as a 10 and I would be likely to bump it for some reason :) I would hope I would be able to "honestly" give myself a 6 or 7 most of the time with a respectable smattering of 5, 8 or 9. I have no problem with not being able to vote on my own, though. And I have no problem with voting in challenges in which I have an entry - I almost always do and if I don't, it's because life and time gets away from me. And I can honestly say that when I'm voting a challenge, I am not even thinking about my own entry. When I'm done - and that includes the inevitable final bump, bumping because I am a sorter and tend to start with almost all 4, 5 or 6 votes - I do usually look at my own entry and my top choices and think about where I would have put mine. The answer is almost never "with the 10s".
09/01/2013 12:07:55 PM · #143
Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by escapetooz:



I think the confusion is not that you don't like the "conformist" shots, it is that you find them so lacking in any redeemable qualities that they deserve a 1, in your eyes. To be honest, I'm not sure I've ever given a 1, and if I did it was probably a combination of offensive/bad photography/off topic, all at once. I don't think any of us are suggesting that you aren't allowed to vote that way. I think we just don't get being so harsh.


Hers is much more concise.


But I am uncomfortable with that "harsh." If you substitute "decisive" I would be happy. Any of you gals and guys married or in long term relationships? You know you cannot get the Other to like something they just plain don't like. Is that harsh?
09/01/2013 12:14:08 PM · #144
Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by escapetooz:



I think the confusion is not that you don't like the "conformist" shots, it is that you find them so lacking in any redeemable qualities that they deserve a 1, in your eyes. To be honest, I'm not sure I've ever given a 1, and if I did it was probably a combination of offensive/bad photography/off topic, all at once. I don't think any of us are suggesting that you aren't allowed to vote that way. I think we just don't get being so harsh.


Hers is much more concise.


But I am uncomfortable with that "harsh." If you substitute "decisive" I would be happy. Any of you gals and guys married or in long term relationships? You know you cannot get the Other to like something they just plain don't like. Is that harsh?


But it's not a pass/fail system. That's why there are 10 numbers.... and not seeing what this has to do with being married?
09/01/2013 12:29:02 PM · #145
For some reason I thought it did. Have something to do with close relationships. Maybe not.

The tens are there for a reason. And so I believe are the ones. Maybe we should stop giving tens, its just too affirming.
09/01/2013 12:55:40 PM · #146
Wow, this thread sure went off track. This arguing you're having about when/who/what to give 1s or 10s, is a matter of personal taste and aesthetic preferences, which, if you've been voting that way all along, will not show an aberrant pattern. Which was the problem in the first place.

This thread was posted was because the "voting" in question completely disregarded aesthetics altogether (blues and blurs were all equally dissed) for the sole purpose of elevating the ranking of that voter's image. THAT is unfair/tactical/reverse/cheating voting. And for that, I am very happy they got disciplined.
09/01/2013 01:06:36 PM · #147
Originally posted by posthumous:

if someone with a different aesthetic, like for example almost every museum curator, gives a photo a 1, then it's punishment.

imho, a large, healthy group of opinions would put ones on almost every photo.

Large, yes; healthy, no. Looking back at the most-voted challenges of our heyday, it was uncommon to find a blue ribbon with a single vote below 3 (and equally rare to find a last place entry with votes over 8). Unless you lack a rudimentary grasp of photography or didn't understand the topic at all, assigning a 1 to a blue ribbon is more than going against conventional norms. It's a spiteful declaration that you could find no redeeming value whatsoever in a photo that most people admire, and rating the hard work involved below that of a careless snapshot with the lowest possible assessment of form, composition, content and technical skill. It's rude, disrespectful and mean-spirited. Finding value in the unappreciated is one thing (and commendable), but a museum curator who considers the gallery's most prized possessions to be worthless trash is an unemployed museum curator at best and a dangerous liability at worst. Of course it's your right to vote as your conscience dictates, and if that means expressing absolute contempt for the most appreciated photo the point of punching its author in the gut, then so be it. That's not what these particular cases were about.

EDIT- Tanguera was considerably more concise than I.

Message edited by author 2013-09-01 13:08:41.
09/01/2013 01:15:42 PM · #148
Just to try and get back on track, I have a question, more for the software guys like Neil and Manic...if this person has been littering the landscape with 1s for some months now, where exactly was the vote-scrubber all this time?

Shouldn't it have red-flagged them immediately, or at the very least within a few weeks, tops? Was SC just waiting to see if it was a confirmed pattern before coming down on them? Were they continued to be allowed to cast votes once it became obvious that they were cheating?

And if the vote-scrubber is there to render a cast vote null and void, should there not also be a way of locking a potential cheater's account so they either cannot vote in the first place, or just sham them and make it appear to them that they have cast a vote - but discard them right off the bat?
09/01/2013 01:36:31 PM · #149
Originally posted by scalvert:

... Unless you lack a rudimentary grasp of photography or didn't understand the topic at all, assigning a 1 to a blue ribbon is more than going against conventional norms. It's a spiteful declaration that you could find no redeeming value whatsoever in a photo that most people admire, and rating the hard work involved below that of a careless snapshot with the lowest possible assessment of form, composition, content and technical skill. It's rude, disrespectful and mean-spirited. ...


I really don't understand where this kind of assessment comes from. Since when is not liking something rude, disrespectful and mean spirited? When me darlin' comes home with a perfect mullet, a beautiful tattoo of some dish (presumably moi) and some draggy ass pants that cost a bundle, and I say, No, me darlin,' get thee back to the parlours and haberdashers and try again, is that rude, disrespectful and mean spirited? Like we're not having some superficial relationship here. I don't care that he has a trail of babes in his wake, I still don't like the mullet, the tattoo, the bum crack pants.
09/01/2013 01:45:00 PM · #150
Originally posted by tnun:

I still don't like the mullet, the tattoo, the bum crack pants.

Nor do most. That's the opposite of what I posted. If he came home in a Giorgio Armani suit with toned muscles and you gave him hell for being worse than a tattooed bum sporting a mullet and baggy pants, THEN you'd be on the right track. Even if you didn't like Armani, surely you could find something of merit above the hobo look? It's like rating People's Sexiest Man/Woman of the Year below Jabba the Hut.

Message edited by author 2013-09-01 13:51:12.
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