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 08/31/2013 07:58:32 PM · #101
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You know, the hyperbole being expressed in this thread is exactly the reason we don't publicly announce violations ... maybe people like to vent, but what would be the reaction were the SC (or our hired henchmen) to actually carry out some of the suggestions made here? After the first couple of mentions of lynching/tar-and-feathering/drawing and quartering (do you even realize what that is beyond the cliché?) it just doesn't seem either funny or productive.

If I were a newbie coming across this "Administrative Announcement" and read some of these posts I'd be fleeing for someplace with a higher degree of tolerance, like North Korea ... :-(

Sorry, but I'll call bullshit on that. We've had more people join, complain and leave because they believe cheating is occurring than because they are afraid of being virtually lynched.

Message edited by author 2013-08-31 19:58:53.
 08/31/2013 08:02:23 PM · #102
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You know, the hyperbole being expressed in this thread is exactly the reason we don't publicly announce violations ... maybe people like to vent, but what would be the reaction were the SC (or our hired henchmen) to actually carry out some of the suggestions made here? After the first couple of mentions of lynching/tar-and-feathering/drawing and quartering (do you even realize what that is beyond the cliché?) it just doesn't seem either funny or productive.

If I were a newbie coming across this "Administrative Announcement" and read some of these posts I'd be fleeing for someplace with a higher degree of tolerance, like North Korea ... :-(

Sorry, but I'll call bullshit on that. We've had more people join, complain and leave because they believe cheating is occurring than because they are afraid of being virtually lynched.


I'll also add that we have had situations where members were caught, publicly outed, "beaten up" a bit, and then ultimately reformed and respected. I don't really care who this was, but I think they (and the community) would be better served if they came out, came clean and apologized.

My two cents anyway.
 08/31/2013 08:05:59 PM · #103
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
... I think they (and the community) would be better served if they came out, came clean and apologized.

I completely agree, but I don't think the sentiments being expressed here -- even if "in jest" -- are conducive to encouraginbg such a response from the offending party.
 08/31/2013 08:14:13 PM · #104
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
... I think they (and the community) would be better served if they came out, came clean and apologized.

I completely agree, but I don't think the sentiments being expressed here -- even if "in jest" -- are conducive to encouraginbg such a response from the offending party.

Well - if they are "listening" - suck it up, buttercup! ;-) Take a few deserved lashes and people will respect you more and this community is very quick to forgive and forget to those who ask for forgiveness.
 08/31/2013 08:15:51 PM · #105
With all due respect to the SC members, the offending party knows that they have done wrong. This isn't a case of a noob not reading the rules thoroughly and entering a pic taken outside the challenge dates, or someone doing some friend voting.

My #1 suspect (I could be wrong, but I have some very, very strong suspicions as to their identity) has been here long enough to know better. Yet they are going to be *forgiven* and at the end of their suspension, allowed back into the fold, where I have no doubt whatsoever that they will resume their ways. They will find another way to cheat. Mark my words.
 08/31/2013 08:45:11 PM · #106
Originally posted by snaffles:
With all due respect to the SC members ...

With all due respect to the membership, you don't know all the facts about this or any other "situation" ... people who violate the rules often deny wrong-doing -- heck, it was persistently arguing about a stupid editing rule on my first DQ that got me saddled with this gig in the first place. :-)

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Well - if they are "listening" - suck it up, buttercup! ;-)

It's hard to suck it up when you've been disemboweled ... :-(

Message edited by author 2013-08-31 20:49:02.
 08/31/2013 08:57:25 PM · #107
kerfuffle kerfuffle. I have a strong urge now to vote 1 on nearly everything, regardless or even irregardless.

Message edited by author 2013-08-31 20:59:06.
 08/31/2013 09:21:12 PM · #108
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Kelli:
I'm confused. What's a reverse voter? And why hide the wrong doing?

Reverse voting is giving the best entries low votes and worst entries high votes, and the perpetrator's identity is [mostly] hidden to avoid lynch mobs. We want people to play nice and would rather they learn from mistakes and come back than be persecuted into leaving for good.


How are are you supposed to know what the 'best' and 'worst' entries are during voting?
 08/31/2013 09:24:12 PM · #109
How long are they banned for, or is that confidential?
 08/31/2013 09:27:56 PM · #110
Originally posted by alohadave:
How are are you supposed to know what the 'best' and 'worst' entries are during voting?

Most people can look at the entries and have a pretty good idea of which entries will score well and which won't.
 08/31/2013 09:36:59 PM · #111
Originally posted by GeneralE:
lynching/tar-and-feathering/drawing and quartering


FWIW, I was responding (with utmost clicheness) to John's comment, in jest. Perhaps because I consider this matter handled, and I got a bit bored :-)
 08/31/2013 09:43:03 PM · #112
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You know, the hyperbole being expressed in this thread is exactly the reason we don't publicly announce violations ... maybe people like to vent, but what would be the reaction were the SC (or our hired henchmen) to actually carry out some of the suggestions made here? After the first couple of mentions of lynching/tar-and-feathering/drawing and quartering (do you even realize what that is beyond the cliché?) it just doesn't seem either funny or productive.

If I were a newbie coming across this "Administrative Announcement" and read some of these posts I'd be fleeing for someplace with a higher degree of tolerance, like North Korea ... :-(


I assume you meant the North Korea comment as a joke?
 08/31/2013 09:44:50 PM · #113
Originally posted by alohadave:
How are are you supposed to know what the 'best' and 'worst' entries are during voting?

Here is a "hypothetical example" reasonably-based on a couple of actual recent challenges. In this case the photographer:

Entered, finished 10th ("Honorable" mention). Note that more than half the votes got a 1.

VOTE COUNT
1 38
2 2
3 6
4 0
5 10
6 3
7 3
8 8
9 0
10 0

Did Not Enter

VOTE COUNT
1 0
2 0
3 0
4 0
5 0
6 0
7 1
8 32
9 34
10 26

Not only does the voting in the entered challenge attempt to alter the scoring to directly favor the photographer's own entry, the distorted voting pattern in the other (non-entered) challenge is a pretty clear attempt to maintain a "medium" overall voting average to mask the actual cheating.

However, even given this, we have chosen to suspend* rather than ban the photographer in this case, which to me means we (all of us) are supposed to put this incident behind us and welcome the (reformed) member back when the suspension expires.

*For a "significant" or "substantial" period

Message edited by author 2013-08-31 22:07:12.
 08/31/2013 09:45:00 PM · #114
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You know, the hyperbole being expressed in this thread is exactly the reason we don't publicly announce violations ... maybe people like to vent, but what would be the reaction were the SC (or our hired henchmen) to actually carry out some of the suggestions made here? After the first couple of mentions of lynching/tar-and-feathering/drawing and quartering (do you even realize what that is beyond the cliché?) it just doesn't seem either funny or productive.

If I were a newbie coming across this "Administrative Announcement" and read some of these posts I'd be fleeing for someplace with a higher degree of tolerance, like North Korea ... :-(


The nice thing about not being in North Korea, is that I am free to disagree.

Somehow jesting about the superior freedom of North Korea, a rouge state where families are jailed for generations, and people are executed at a whim, and comparing it to comments in this thread, seems even less funny to me.

For the record, the ex girl friend of the current NK leader is unable to suck it up either. Machine gun firing squads will do that for you.
 08/31/2013 09:48:10 PM · #115
Originally posted by sempermarine:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You know, the hyperbole being expressed in this thread is exactly the reason we don't publicly announce violations ... maybe people like to vent, but what would be the reaction were the SC (or our hired henchmen) to actually carry out some of the suggestions made here? After the first couple of mentions of lynching/tar-and-feathering/drawing and quartering (do you even realize what that is beyond the cliché?) it just doesn't seem either funny or productive.

If I were a newbie coming across this "Administrative Announcement" and read some of these posts I'd be fleeing for someplace with a higher degree of tolerance, like North Korea ... :-(


I assume you meant the North Korea comment as a joke?

Hyperbole is an infectious disease -- you catch it from forum posts. Unfortunately Big Pharma has chosen to exploit the resulting agitation with a plethora of anxiolytics rather than developing an effective vaccine ... :-(
 08/31/2013 09:50:52 PM · #116
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by sempermarine:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You know, the hyperbole being expressed in this thread is exactly the reason we don't publicly announce violations ... maybe people like to vent, but what would be the reaction were the SC (or our hired henchmen) to actually carry out some of the suggestions made here? After the first couple of mentions of lynching/tar-and-feathering/drawing and quartering (do you even realize what that is beyond the cliché?) it just doesn't seem either funny or productive.

If I were a newbie coming across this "Administrative Announcement" and read some of these posts I'd be fleeing for someplace with a higher degree of tolerance, like North Korea ... :-(


I assume you meant the North Korea comment as a joke?

Hyperbole is an infectious disease -- you catch it from forum posts. Unfortunately Big Pharma has chosen to exploit the resulting agitation with a plethora of anxiolytics rather than developing an effective vaccine ... :-(


Got it. Just hit a cord with me. I'll go back to my hole. As for this discussion, I believe a user named "Rose" (before my time) was given a lifetime ban. What did that person do to deserve that?
08/31/2013 09:51:32 PM · #117
Originally posted by ambaker:
Somehow jesting about the superior freedom of North Korea, a rouge state where families are jailed for generations, and people are executed at a whim, and comparing it to comments in this thread, seems even less funny to me.

My comment wasn't meant to be funny.
 08/31/2013 10:12:14 PM · #118
Originally posted by sempermarine:
As for this discussion, I believe a user named "Rose" (before my time) was given a lifetime ban. What did that person do to deserve that?

Continually made an ass of herself in a very aggressive way in the forums. Continued the behavior after repeated time-outs. Kept showing up wearing a new shirt during bans, as if it was fun to fool us into relating with her. Passed other peoples' work off as her own.

That much I remember. There may've been more. She was a real piece of work.
 08/31/2013 10:18:41 PM · #119
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by ambaker:
Somehow jesting about the superior freedom of North Korea, a rouge state where families are jailed for generations, and people are executed at a whim, and comparing it to comments in this thread, seems even less funny to me.

My comment wasn't meant to be funny.


Well, this is America. So you do have a right to believe a despot in North Korea, is comparable or even preferable to the un-sanitized humor found in this and other threads.

Again, I disagree. Perhaps humorless diatribe, is responsible to the massive increase in interest regarding relocation to North Korea.
 08/31/2013 10:22:06 PM · #120
Originally posted by Neat:
How long are they banned for, or is that confidential?


That's a matter of national security, all redacted.
But the best way to fight this problem is by voting. The more votes an image has, the less effect reverse voters and other manipulations have on the final results. Wish I had time to help with the voting.
 08/31/2013 10:26:07 PM · #121
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by sempermarine:
As for this discussion, I believe a user named "Rose" (before my time) was given a lifetime ban. What did that person do to deserve that?

Continually made an ass of herself in a very aggressive way in the forums. Continued the behavior after repeated time-outs. Kept showing up wearing a new shirt during bans, as if it was fun to fool us into relating with her. Passed other peoples' work off as her own.

That much I remember. There may've been more. She was a real piece of work.


That would do it. Thanks
 08/31/2013 10:27:00 PM · #122
i just got here. which hunt are we talking about?
 08/31/2013 10:29:05 PM · #123
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
I agree with Cory. I really don't see giving a blue ribbon a 1, and not because I'm a conformist, but because I hardly EVER give a 1. I don't understand giving a 1 to something that clearly had at least SOME skill and SOME effort.


That's just it -- I can see giving a blue a 2 or a 3 because you find it cliche, uninteresting, pandering, whatever. But what do you do with the photos that are worse? You may love the funky, out-of-the-box, stretch the point photos, but there are still the photos that fall into neither category. The snapshots with no time, effort or skill involved. I guess that's why I have a hard time with the 1s on the blues. They really are the bottom of the barrel with no lower to go? Then what does Uncle Bob's family photo with the pasted on camera smiles get? I don't quite see how they're equivalent.


OK, so your criteria are time, effort and skill. My criteria are mind, heart and spirit. You have your criteria and I have mine. And I will continue to give 1s to images that you cannot imagine getting a 1. I'm sorry you can't imagine my aesthetic scale. I've tried many times to explain it.
08/31/2013 11:15:17 PM · #124
SC is awake. Good :)
 08/31/2013 11:49:53 PM · #125
Don wrote to Cory Wendy:

"... OK, so your criteria are time, effort and skill. My criteria are mind, heart and spirit. ..."

let the ones fall where they may, I say.

Message edited by author 2013-09-01 10:49:09.
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