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09/04/2004 03:45:32 PM · #1
I'm just not sure when...the prices must be dropping over the next few months, right? Also, I've kind of made it a goal to get a top ten spot in a dpchallenge with my a40 before I reward myself with a digital rebel.

Anyway, what are you recommendations in regards to the lens? Should I just buy the rebel kit that comes with the lens or is there a better value purchase that I can make (ie, body only with such and such lens).

Thanks for your help...
09/04/2004 03:51:02 PM · #2
I'm with ya. Right now in Canada its 1399 .. that too bad. So I'm curious to hear responses as well ... I'd like to have mine before Xmas :)

What are these cameras like as compared to the 10D's and such? I'm curious to know where the Rebel stands for quality and efficiency ..
09/04/2004 03:57:12 PM · #3
It depends on what your budget is, and what kind of shooting you do. The kit lens is currently the only cheap wide angle lens. You could get the 17-40L, but then your paying more.

If you want an all-in-one lens, look at these:
Sigma 18-125
Canon 28-135 IS
Tokina 24-200

I have the Tokina and have been happy with it. It's not "L" quality glass, but it is well built. And a good price too.

I would aviod most superzooms like the 28-300's. They have great range, but not great optics.

Thats about all the knowledge I have on lenses!
09/04/2004 03:58:09 PM · #4
I am trying to decide whether to buy a 20D...body only for £1249,

Or buy a 300D with two lenses, battery grip, 512Mb CF card, holdall for just £899.

Don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to guess?

I'll have £400 spare to go for a good lenses...Canon 28-135 probably.

All the review rate the 300D/Rebel as good as 10D for results, just you don't have so many options available. If you are gadget freak, then 10D, if not 300D should be just right.
09/04/2004 03:58:48 PM · #5
Originally posted by ScantyNebula:

I'm with ya. Right now in Canada its 1399 .. that too bad. So I'm curious to hear responses as well ... I'd like to have mine before Xmas :)

What are these cameras like as compared to the 10D's and such? I'm curious to know where the Rebel stands for quality and efficiency ..


Yeah, I'm in Ontario and 1399 is the price it's been at since I started looking a few weeks ago.

There are some good deals on e-bay right now, but I think they'll get better over the next few weeks...

Can anybody help us with some info on the lenses?

Edit: Sorry, Aaron...this was a slowpost, I just saw your response. Thanks, I'll look into those.

Message edited by author 2004-09-04 16:00:25.
09/04/2004 04:00:49 PM · #6
Originally posted by ScantyNebula:


What are these cameras like as compared to the 10D's and such? I'm curious to know where the Rebel stands for quality and efficiency ..


Compared to the 10D the rebel is:
Lighter, but flimsier(still solid enough though)
Louder mirror slap
Nearly identical image quality

If you have something more specific, ask! I have both cameras here at work, I can make any comparison you want.

edit: sorry, after a quick look, our photographer has the 10D with him, but I'll still answer anything the best I can.

Message edited by author 2004-09-04 16:06:40.
09/04/2004 09:41:28 PM · #7
Thanks aaron

I do have a few more questions, I've never used the Rebel before so I'm very curious .. I know with my G5 I have issues such as :

purple fringing, very slow autofocusing, image noise very frequent in night shots, ISO over 100 - images are just awful

How does the Rebel do in the above situations?

Thanks!!
09/04/2004 09:53:49 PM · #8
Originally posted by ScantyNebula:

Thanks aaron

I do have a few more questions, I've never used the Rebel before so I'm very curious .. I know with my G5 I have issues such as :

purple fringing, very slow autofocusing, image noise very frequent in night shots, ISO over 100 - images are just awful

How does the Rebel do in the above situations?

Thanks!!


I have the 10D, but I used to have the G5.

The fringing is largely a non-issue now, but I have heard of it occurring with some really cheapo lenses. I haven't seen it since I got rid of my G5.

AF is not like the 1D mkII, but it is leaps and bounds ahead of the G5. It depends a lot on the lens too.

The sensor for the 10D/300D is known to produce some of the lowest noise long exposures.

High ISO performance is much better than the G5, ISO 100 is clean and smooth, the grain really doesn't show up bad until 800. ISO 400 is very usable. Still, I try to shoot at 100 when I can.

Seeing what you have done with the G5, you will love the 300D.

Message edited by author 2004-09-04 22:10:23.
09/04/2004 10:06:38 PM · #9
Ditto what Spazmo said. I had all of the issues you described with my Olympus P&S, but have none of them with the 300D. It was well worth the upgrade.
09/07/2004 07:12:56 PM · #10
Originally posted by ScantyNebula:

Thanks aaron

I do have a few more questions, I've never used the Rebel before so I'm very curious .. I know with my G5 I have issues such as :

purple fringing, very slow autofocusing, image noise very frequent in night shots, ISO over 100 - images are just awful

How does the Rebel do in the above situations?

Thanks!!


The rebel is a very capable camera. There's definitely a learning curve moving to a DSLR, but from your work I'm confident you can overcome it. noise doesn't become a major issue till iso 800. Autofocus is fine, the speed is more lens dependent, although performance in darkness is body dependent. There is no AF assist lamp, but it uses the flash to help out. Very workable. The sensor is awesome, the body is fine, you'll be taking keepers in no time. All of my pictures were done with the DR. Here's the gallery: //www.pbase.com/hanlomba/beginnings
09/07/2004 07:26:27 PM · #11
In terms of lenses, I say build up to have one of everything... a telephoto (I have the 75-300 IS Canon), a macro (Sigma 105mm), a portrait lens (50 mm Canon), and of course you might wanna get the starter kit with the 18-55mmm lens. All I need now is a nice wode angle lens. Gonna try & get a flash first tho.
I also have the coupler, as per the great advice of Kirbic & other dpcers, to merge the 50mm with the 105 mm for the SUPER close up mascros. Some step up filters as well & UV polariser & circular one. I feel this is pretty much complete for almost all occasions!
09/07/2004 09:24:52 PM · #12
ScantyNebula and Thatcloudthere, I moved from a Canon G2 to the Digital Rebel (and I also have a G5). The differences are dramatic. The first thing you'll notice is the shutter lag- there isn't any. Even with pre-focusing, the G5 drives me nuts now that I'm used to the speed of the Rebel.

The next thing you'll notice is noise. Again, there isn't any. ISO 400 on the Rebel is a little smoother than ISO 100 on the G5. Johanna- you'll appreciate this the most since you seem to prefer a clean look (you've done an amazing job with the G5, so you'll love the Rebel).

Low-light autofocus and purple fringing aren't really an issue on the Rebel, but an external flash is a MUST! The biggest drawback to the Rebel is the lack of flash exposure compensation. You'll either need a 550ex flash unit or the firmware hack to get it. Without exposure compensation, low-light subjects will be well-exposed, but your backgrounds will be completely black (I did NOT expect that after the G2/G5).

Another minor issue is that the Rebel is a lot bulkier than the G5. It's not huge, but you won't be carrying it in a purse or belt pack- especially with additional lenses.

Speaking of lenses, I would get the Rebel body-only and the newly announced Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM. Yes, it's a steep $599 but the zoom range is nearly identical to the G5, and it's image-stabilized so you can use it heldheld at lower shutter speeds. If the quality is good (and I suspect that it will be), this might be the perfect all-purpose lens. In the future, you can add the 50mm f/1.8 for low light needs, and either the 70-200mm f/4L or 75-300mm IS lens for zoom range. Short of buying all L-quality glass, that would be an excellent lens collection. My second choice for a [cheaper] all-purpose lens would either be the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di or Canon 28-105 (which I own), but you'll give up a lot on the wide-angle end. Happy shopping!
09/28/2004 09:18:20 PM · #13
Hey, guess what arrived today...

Hint: It used to say "Canon Powershot A40" under my name!

Wooooohoooooo!!

:0 )
09/28/2004 09:21:39 PM · #14
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Hey, guess what arrived today...

Hint: It used to say "Canon Powershot A40" under my name!

Wooooohoooooo!!

:0 )


Congrats!

You're gooing to love the DSLR experience. Beware. Lots of $$$ will mysteriously leave your wallet over the next few months. Oh and BTW, you'll need a new camera bag. Here's my advice: get a BIG one to fit all those lenses! LOL

Have fun!
09/28/2004 09:21:40 PM · #15
Bienvenue... so here's what you need to know:

Your camera is Silver...which means it's not very good......

hehehehe....enjoy, it's an awsome machine!
09/28/2004 09:44:47 PM · #16
Originally posted by hanlomba:

Originally posted by ScantyNebula:

Thanks aaron

I do have a few more questions, I've never used the Rebel before so I'm very curious .. I know with my G5 I have issues such as :

purple fringing, very slow autofocusing, image noise very frequent in night shots, ISO over 100 - images are just awful

How does the Rebel do in the above situations?

Thanks!!


The rebel is a very capable camera. There's definitely a learning curve moving to a DSLR, but from your work I'm confident you can overcome it. noise doesn't become a major issue till iso 800. Autofocus is fine, the speed is more lens dependent, although performance in darkness is body dependent. There is no AF assist lamp, but it uses the flash to help out. Very workable. The sensor is awesome, the body is fine, you'll be taking keepers in no time. All of my pictures were done with the DR. Here's the gallery: //www.pbase.com/hanlomba/beginnings


Hans, I have to say the images in your pbase gallery are inspirational. They make a great advertisement for the virtues of the Rebel kit lens.
I notice some of the images are taken at a focal length around 105mm. Which lens do you use for these images?
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