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07/23/2013 04:32:22 PM · #76
Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by mefnj:



in other words, is all the fusing over RAW worth it for this side challenge?

-m


Sure, if you have an image where the dynamic range is in excess of the normal limits of a jpeg file, or if the white balance of the original shot is off, or any one of a half-dozen imaginable reasons.

There's no reason it's needed in many cases though, and shouldn't really be a huge component of the selection process IMO.


ah, that makes sense... to be able to play with the greater RAW bit depth or get into the guts of the picture control info on the front end before additional pp. thanks!

-m
07/23/2013 05:18:43 PM · #77




Message edited by author 2013-07-23 18:36:44.
07/23/2013 05:29:17 PM · #78
Originally posted by Cory:



There's no reason it's needed in many cases though, and shouldn't really be a huge component of the selection process IMO.


It doesn't have anything to do with the selection process. I'm just making sure nobody uploads the RAW elsewhere then doesn't post it here, therefore missing out on the selection process.

Message edited by author 2013-07-23 17:29:41.
07/23/2013 05:48:08 PM · #79
Better late than never and sorry but I don't have any RAW files due to a serious lack of space on my hard drives

07/23/2013 06:27:41 PM · #80
Originally posted by mefnj:

my workflow is RAW-centric from camera, but since i use the Nik plugins in standalone mode, i convert to TIFF for that pp, then back to RAW before converting to JPEG for DPC submission.

As far as I know, this isn't possible. I'm not aware of any means of "converting to RAW". In fact, it's a meaningless concept, since by definition the RAW image is the image exactly as the camera gathered it, before any processing whatsoever has been applied to it.

Incidentally, and for what it's worth, you CAN open a JPG or TIFF image in the RAW converter, and I do it all the time when working on other peoples' images from their workshops. It's nbot the same as working from RAW, but it's very handy. It's the easiest way I know to preset exposure/white balance/contrast/shadow fill/highlight muting/clarity/saturation to custom baseline levels prior to further processing. Woprking out of Adobe Bridge, just right-click the image and select "open image with camera raw"...
07/23/2013 06:35:08 PM · #81
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by mefnj:

my workflow is RAW-centric from camera, but since i use the Nik plugins in standalone mode, i convert to TIFF for that pp, then back to RAW before converting to JPEG for DPC submission.

As far as I know, this isn't possible. I'm not aware of any means of "converting to RAW". In fact, it's a meaningless concept, since by definition the RAW image is the image exactly as the camera gathered it, before any processing whatsoever has been applied to it.

Incidentally, and for what it's worth, you CAN open a JPG or TIFF image in the RAW converter, and I do it all the time when working on other peoples' images from their workshops. It's nbot the same as working from RAW, but it's very handy. It's the easiest way I know to preset exposure/white balance/contrast/shadow fill/highlight muting/clarity/saturation to custom baseline levels prior to further processing. Woprking out of Adobe Bridge, just right-click the image and select "open image with camera raw"...


bear,

you are correct... i mis-spoke by saying i convert my Nik-modified TIFFs back to "RAW"... i meant i bring the Nik-modified TIFFs into my Nikon Capture NX2 and then save them as a NEF files, which i can manipulate non-destructively, etc.,
07/23/2013 06:50:39 PM · #82
In Photoshop CC you can open up any image you are working on in Camera Raw under the filters menu.
07/23/2013 10:29:38 PM · #83
Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by RKT:

I just tried uploading a RAW file and I got this message:

Error Service Unavailable: Back-end server is at capacity


I'll try again later...or if my photo is picked I guess i could just email it to those who want to work with a RAW file?


If you would like, please feel free to PM me, and I'll be glad to upload that RAW file into my Google drive for you.


I finally got the file uploaded a bit ago, but thanks for the offer Cory.

: )
07/24/2013 12:17:38 AM · #84
Here's my original.

07/24/2013 09:04:43 AM · #85
Sorry to be a bit late on this. I am spending the week with family at an old cottage with no internet access. I occasionally drive into town to the coffee shop for the free wifi. Here is my original taken on the front porch of the cottage:



I uploaded a RAW version.
07/24/2013 10:54:44 AM · #86
Raw file uploaded here

This is my original
07/24/2013 01:27:20 PM · #87
I think we're only missing two stragglers right now. If I may plant a seed in the selection committee's mind(s): Please choose odriew's photo. I found it so nice I've already taken a spin at editing it.
07/24/2013 08:15:39 PM · #88
Here's one from one of the last stragglers.
07/24/2013 08:54:30 PM · #89
Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by cynthiann:

For those of you uploading RAW files, you definitely need to post a copy to your workshop, then to this thread for selection purposes. I believe the selection committee is only choosing from the photos in the original post.


maybe this is a stupid question, but thought i would ask anyways...

my workflow is RAW-centric from camera, but since i use the Nik plugins in standalone mode, i convert to TIFF for that pp, then back to RAW before converting to JPEG for DPC submission.

and it totally understand RAW-centric for highest quality photos for printing/commercial use.

however, for this side challenge, what benefit is there to using RAW over using a pretty large JPEG (say 4000 x 4000 pixels), considering the final edits posts will be limited to 800 pixels longest dimension anyways?

in other words, is all the fusing over RAW worth it for this side challenge?

-m


There are many editting steps you take with a RAW file that are just not worth it in jPG. For the biggest is you can "stretch" the exposure up and down at least 2 stops and allow a better conversion to HDR. Trying teh same with a JPG just results in blown sections...
07/24/2013 09:02:51 PM · #90
I added my shot to the RAW dropbox... It is however an NEF file, so I'm not sure exactly how that works with others software. I use Nikon NX2, but I'm not sure what other programs will work with it :)

Message edited by author 2013-07-24 21:03:55.
07/24/2013 09:38:34 PM · #91
Originally posted by dougi555:

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by cynthiann:

For those of you uploading RAW files, you definitely need to post a copy to your workshop, then to this thread for selection purposes. I believe the selection committee is only choosing from the photos in the original post.


maybe this is a stupid question, but thought i would ask anyways...

my workflow is RAW-centric from camera, but since i use the Nik plugins in standalone mode, i convert to TIFF for that pp, then back to RAW before converting to JPEG for DPC submission.

and it totally understand RAW-centric for highest quality photos for printing/commercial use.

however, for this side challenge, what benefit is there to using RAW over using a pretty large JPEG (say 4000 x 4000 pixels), considering the final edits posts will be limited to 800 pixels longest dimension anyways?

in other words, is all the fusing over RAW worth it for this side challenge?

-m


There are many editting steps you take with a RAW file that are just not worth it in jPG. For the biggest is you can "stretch" the exposure up and down at least 2 stops and allow a better conversion to HDR. Trying teh same with a JPG just results in blown sections...


you convinced me... i put my NEF on the website mefnj barn DSC_0975.NEF
07/24/2013 10:00:48 PM · #92
Once the selection committee makes their picks I will parse the "Raw Drop Box" down to those that were selected. That way those who wish to work with raw files can download everything there and be done without searching.

I will append names to the ones who uploaded without adding them first as well.

Message edited by author 2013-07-24 22:01:08.
07/25/2013 01:41:28 PM · #93
Originally posted by mefnj:


you convinced me... i put my NEF on the website mefnj barn DSC_0975.NEF


Thank goodness! Your image is absolutely one of the ones that needs RAW the most.
08/01/2013 10:40:58 PM · #94
What's the password to access the dropbox? I've been sick this week and haven't been at my PC
08/04/2013 01:24:55 AM · #95
Can't get the RAW files without a password!
08/04/2013 01:26:52 AM · #96
Can't speak for the others, but my image has a RAW link in the description.

Message edited by author 2013-08-04 01:27:01.
08/04/2013 11:59:36 PM · #97
Hey in the future, can someone just ZIP them together and THEN put them somewhere like dropbox? (I guess if they were in dropbox I could download them all at once, but it was a fair amount of extra work to go to each image on DPC and download them.

Also, how about next time disallowing composite images? The creativity is nice, but if my photo were chosen (and yet to be), I'd prefer to see how people would process it without going "expert wild"! Also, just in general, I think there should be some limits.
08/05/2013 12:09:27 AM · #98
Originally posted by Neil:


Also, how about next time disallowing composite images? The creativity is nice, but if my photo were chosen (and yet to be), I'd prefer to see how people would process it without going "expert wild"! Also, just in general, I think there should be some limits.


I only did two images this time around because of a Mac meltdown... but I honestly wouldn't bother if there were limitations. I like that I can do whatever I want to an image. Maybe it's me, but I feel like if you put restrictions on it, you will have 15 edits of an image that all look just a tad bit different. I could point to a few images that were nailed right on the money by the first edit posted, everything from there was almost pointless. Now when you are allowed to add other images and textures, you can take the image to new places, but without that, everything just seems like a copy of a copy. Just my two cents, but I'm also trying to push the envelope of the PS skills I can learn too... so that's my counterpoint :)
08/05/2013 12:11:46 AM · #99
Originally posted by Neil:

Hey in the future, can someone just ZIP them together and THEN put them somewhere like dropbox? (I guess if they were in dropbox I could download them all at once, but it was a fair amount of extra work to go to each image on DPC and download them.

Also, how about next time disallowing composite images? The creativity is nice, but if my photo were chosen (and yet to be), I'd prefer to see how people would process it without going "expert wild"! Also, just in general, I think there should be some limits.


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I do not agree. On the other hand, if that's the way it's going to go I can always opt out.
08/05/2013 12:14:26 AM · #100
Originally posted by Sirashley:

Originally posted by Neil:


Also, how about next time disallowing composite images? The creativity is nice, but if my photo were chosen (and yet to be), I'd prefer to see how people would process it without going "expert wild"! Also, just in general, I think there should be some limits.


I only did two images this time around because of a Mac meltdown... but I honestly wouldn't bother if there were limitations. I like that I can do whatever I want to an image. Maybe it's me, but I feel like if you put restrictions on it, you will have 15 edits of an image that all look just a tad bit different. I could point to a few images that were nailed right on the money by the first edit posted, everything from there was almost pointless. Now when you are allowed to add other images and textures, you can take the image to new places, but without that, everything just seems like a copy of a copy. Just my two cents, but I'm also trying to push the envelope of the PS skills I can learn too... so that's my counterpoint :)


+1
I agree it would get very boring without being able to do anything you wanted to a given image. Sorry Neil.
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