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09/03/2004 05:11:15 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Thanks for doing this! Now I get to see what I am up against. YIKES! I am in trouble!
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
So, I got to wondering who's eligible to compete and how many competitors there might be. A little work with Excel and voila! Here are the names and the number of ribbons for each eligible competitor.
jjbeguin - 20
dsidwell - 16
Jacko - 14
kiwiness - 14
crabappl3 - 11
arnit - 10
kosmikkreeper - 10
Sonifo - 10
heida - 9
connie - 8
EddyG - 8
Jean - 8
timj351 - 8
carsten - 7
jmsetzler - 7
Tarbini - 7
Gordon - 6
Gringo - 6
magnetic9999 - 6
marbo - 6
mcmurma - 6
moodville - 6
sahko - 6
Seanachai - 6
thelsel - 6
alansfreed - 5
autool - 5
dan_pendleton - 5
e301 - 5
Firstrich1 - 5
grigrigirl - 5
Harz_Joerg - 5
indigo997 - 5
lmhr - 5
Rackat - 5
Shiiizzzam - 5
agwright - 4
BobsterLobster - 4
bod - 4
FranziskaLang - 4
Konador - 4
librodo - 4
nds - 4
rcrawford - 4
sher9204 - 4
smellyfish1002 - 4
timmi - 4
ursula - 4
willem - 4
bruchen - 3
byetko - 3
byshen - 3
chakkobbo - 3
conceptgraphics - 3
dsa157 - 3
geewhy - 3
graphicfunk - 3
hopper - 3
jab119 - 3
jenarom - 3
joebar - 3
jonpink - 3
joshuamli - 3
karmat - 3
kirbic - 3
labuda - 3
mbardeen - 3
mirac - 3
Mousie - 3
Pep Ventosa - 3
scab-lab - 3
scalvert - 3
TechnoShroom - 3
tyt2000 - 3
Vipermike - 3
wayne9232 - 3
With this crowd, it ought to be a blast! Let the games begin.
With love and affection - The Math Guy |
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That does not really seem like that many people to me. I bet only about half enter the challenge. It will be a very very small challenge. Maybe they should have opened it up to any ribbon winner.
I cant enter either way.......just sayin.... |
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09/03/2004 05:11:54 PM · #127 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I want to add that I don't think there should be a 'seperate' free study for people with <2 ribbons... but that all members should have a free study. People with 2+ ribbons should then get a seperate challenge topic. There are many reasons for not having a challenge for people with <2 ribbons in another thread which advocated having a challenge for people without ribbons. |
Well.. that's pretty much what I meant.. seperate topic. (it amounts to a seperate challenge in the end anyway, it's all semantics. |
Sorry, I didn't mean to be picky... just wanted to clarify. |
*nod* No worries. I'm probably not coming across as light-hearted as I feel about everything I'm writing about.
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09/03/2004 05:11:56 PM · #128 |
| It seems to me that if your goal is to improve your skills, there could be no better post-graduate course that the upcoming Masters' challenge submissions. Studying the photos produced by these fine fine photographers would be a crash course in camera and editing techniques and subject matter choices. What do you say we live and learn with this one!?! |
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09/03/2004 05:12:48 PM · #129 |
Originally posted by Konador:
First of all ignore the fact that I can enter with my ribbons.
Now, I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
Paying members being excluded? Well, not really, because they didnt pay so that they could enter this challenge. They paid expecting 2 challenges a week and the occasional speed challenge or free study. Nowhere officially did it say there was going to be an 1 month free study every 3 months, so this can't be a valid arguement.
Being elitist? Ribbon winners deserve some kind of a prize don't they? At the moment they get a few pixels on their profile page. This is just something extra to reward them with. |
Yes, but I think a lot of the dissent is because most people want free challenges every month... and now 3 months after the last one they don't get anything. Okay, it doesn't say anywhere that there will be a free challenge every 3 months, but this doesn't change the feeling amongst many people that we should have frequent free challenges. |
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09/03/2004 05:13:31 PM · #130 |
Originally posted by Konador:
First of all ignore the fact that I can enter with my ribbons.
Now, I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
Paying members being excluded? Well, not really, because they didnt pay so that they could enter this challenge. They paid expecting 2 challenges a week and the occasional speed challenge or free study. Nowhere officially did it say there was going to be an 1 month free study every 3 months, so this can't be a valid arguement.
Being elitist? Ribbon winners deserve some kind of a prize don't they? At the moment they get a few pixels on their profile page. This is just something extra to reward them with. |
I agree, and I have zero ribbons. I'm looking forward to seeing what entries get submitted. It should be good. And hopefully by the time #2 starts, I'll have improved and be able to enter:) |
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09/03/2004 05:20:06 PM · #131 |
This is a brilliant idea I can't wait to view some awesome photos from some really great photographers.
I would go even further and allow those members to enter two submissions. Since they have a month they would surely be able to get two entries in that time. |
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09/03/2004 05:21:05 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
A little work with Excel and voila! Here are the names and the number of ribbons for each eligible competitor.
With this crowd, it ought to be a blast! Let the games begin. |
Your Excel is broke. LOL
(actually I think it has to do with the site's refresh to include winners of a recently completed competition)
There are more elible members with 3 or more (64), even more now with it being 2 or more! (100 members competing now)
Message edited by author 2004-09-03 17:22:02.
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09/03/2004 05:24:29 PM · #133 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Ribbon winners deserve some kind of a prize don't they? At the moment they get a few pixels on their profile page. This is just something extra to reward them with. |
What makes you think ribbon winners deserve extra than their lavish blue, red or yellow Gifs? They got their full accolade through voting alone. So where does this 'extra' fit in? I think we're getting to the point now, that you actually believe the ribboners are better than those who haven't won three times or more! A very delicate viewpoint in my opinion.
And I totally agree with BobsterLobster's comment about the monthly and speed challenges. This is just ill conceived and against the spirit and movement of the site. |
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09/03/2004 05:24:44 PM · #134 |
I bet it was a bunch of whiners who made up that word. ;-)
Originally posted by ghoti:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
You are all part of a website where the raison d'etre is to be competitive.
HOW ARE YOU ALL UPSET THAT THIS IS ELITIST? That is the PREMISE of this website!!
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That's not true. Being competitive and being elitist are two different things. If you win something in a competition, then you are part of an elite - but that does not make you elitist! Being elitist means that you will grant certain privileges to people who you perceive to be part of an elite already. Everybody here who has earned ribbons has my respect for that. But using that to create a class of "masters" is something I believe is not a good idea, and it certainly is elitist (and I'm not just picking a random "I am against"-word here). |
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09/03/2004 05:26:21 PM · #135 |
I want the green one. :-P
Originally posted by crabappl3:
Ooooh! I want a Masters' Green Jacket :-)
-danny
Originally posted by faidoi:
I wonder if Konador can make icons for the masters so they can be identified. |
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09/03/2004 05:27:02 PM · #136 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
A little work with Excel and voila! Here are the names and the number of ribbons for each eligible competitor.
With this crowd, it ought to be a blast! Let the games begin. |
Your Excel is broke. LOL
(actually I think it has to do with the site's refresh to include winners of a recently completed competition)
There are more elible members with 3 or more (64), even more now with it being 2 or more! (100 members competing now) |
My watch which is stopped was exactly right twice in the last 24 hours. I know the numbers weren't precise but wanted to get a feeling for the number of entries. Also edited my original post to catch up the two's. Some people take math too seriously. |
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09/03/2004 05:30:53 PM · #137 |
What a fantastic idea! I only just missed out by 3 ribbons.
I look forward to one day being able to enter extra challemges like this.
BUT that does not mean I cannot win 3 in the next few weeks and still enter!
To all those who can enter good luck! No pressure masters lol.
Bob
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09/03/2004 05:33:24 PM · #138 |
Here's a movement 
Give me a break! Why shouldn't those who have been voted by their fellow photographers with ribbons, be given a chance to compete exclusively with others with like ribbonage? Although I meet the criteria to compete, I'd support this challenge even if I didn't have any ribbons. I advanced my photography skills by looking at what the winners were doing, how they were using their cameras, and comparing it to my own work. Now, I see it as a chance to go head to head with those I aspired to be as good as, to see if I can hang with the big guns.
-danny
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Originally posted by Konador:
Ribbon winners deserve some kind of a prize don't they? At the moment they get a few pixels on their profile page. This is just something extra to reward them with. |
What makes you think ribbon winners deserve extra than their lavish blue, red or yellow Gifs? They got their full accolade through voting alone. So where does this 'extra' fit in? I think we're getting to the point now, that you actually believe the ribboners are better than those who haven't won three times or more! A very delicate viewpoint in my opinion.
And I totally agree with BobsterLobster's comment about the monthly and speed challenges. This is just ill conceived and against the spirit and movement of the site. |
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09/03/2004 05:34:43 PM · #139 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Originally posted by Konador:
Ribbon winners deserve some kind of a prize don't they? At the moment they get a few pixels on their profile page. This is just something extra to reward them with. |
What makes you think ribbon winners deserve extra than their lavish blue, red or yellow Gifs? They got their full accolade through voting alone. So where does this 'extra' fit in? I think we're getting to the point now, that you actually believe the ribboners are better than those who haven't won three times or more! A very delicate viewpoint in my opinion.
And I totally agree with BobsterLobster's comment about the monthly and speed challenges. This is just ill conceived and against the spirit and movement of the site. |
I never said I think they're better than people who haven't won two times or more. The thing is tho, this website is DPChallenge and however much people say it's a learning site, it's still a competition. If people want to enter good shots that they know aren't for this audience, even tho they could very well be 'better' than the winning shots, then that's fine. But at the end of the day, knowing the audience and playing to win is what a competition is about. So rewarding those who can win more than once doesn't seem like anything bad to me. Nobody else is getting anything less than they normally do. It's not like the open challenge has been replaced by a ribbons only challenge. Everyone can just carry on as normal (until one person complains, then the debate just goes on for ever and ruins it for everyone).
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09/03/2004 05:37:50 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by ghoti:
I think the site council should take the opinions of people seriously who are pissed off now, even if they don't have any ribbons. |
I agree with you, and I think we do. However, I also think that your suggestions are more likely to be taken seriously if you don't imply quite so forcefully the stupidity of the addressees.
I'm pretty sure I have the site record for challenges entered with zero ribbons won, so I feel "qualified" to comment on all sides of this issue ... |
I am with you on this one, I have no ribbons and lots of enries also!I really don`t like this,IMO it sucks !!
Neil |
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09/03/2004 05:40:23 PM · #141 |
Nobody is missing out on anything. Some people are just getting a bonus.
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09/03/2004 05:42:40 PM · #142 |
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
So, I got to wondering who's eligible to compete and how many competitors there might be. A little work with Excel and voila! Here are the names and the number of ribbons for each eligible competitor.
jjbeguin - 20
dsidwell - 16
Jacko - 14
kiwiness - 14
crabappl3 - 11
arnit - 10
kosmikkreeper - 10
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:-) You might want to recalculate my number of ribbons. :-) You missed 1. :P
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09/03/2004 05:44:15 PM · #143 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Originally posted by hopper:
WOOHOOO! i snuck in. |
Seems we have something in common besides our good looks!
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Ahhh so thats what we have in common. But I still can't enter :-p
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09/03/2004 05:46:41 PM · #144 |
just to turn off the negative voices and keep everyone happy it would be smart to run an other competition that was no ribbons free study and change the other to 1 or more ribbons... just a thought.
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09/03/2004 05:48:28 PM · #145 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
*sniff*.. I WANT to go photographing.. but it's been raining non-stop here for a week and a half.. and IT'S GETTING SO FRUSTRATING :)
The forums are my only friend.
(ack! That's sad.. I need to get out.. even if it is in the rain.. where's my umbrella?) |
Make abstracts and still life pictures at home :)
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09/03/2004 05:50:05 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by Konador:
It's not like the open challenge has been replaced by a ribbons only challenge. Everyone can just carry on as normal (until one person complains, then the debate just goes on for ever and ruins it for everyone). |
Yes - you're right, an Open challenge has not been replaced, but a Members' 48hr, or Monthly one has been. (And it doesn't ruin it for everyone - just ribbon winners.) |
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09/03/2004 05:50:19 PM · #147 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Nobody is missing out on anything. Some people are just getting a bonus. |
As I keep saying, there is a feeling that we are all missing out on a free study every month. Except now for ribbon winners this particular month. If people in general want a free study, then only ribbon winners can have one, the argument that they are not missing out on anything is not really valid... just a kick in the teeth. |
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09/03/2004 05:51:51 PM · #148 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Nobody is missing out on anything. Some people are just getting a bonus. |
I don`t see it that way! You just lost one membership! |
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09/03/2004 05:52:38 PM · #149 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Originally posted by Konador:
It's not like the open challenge has been replaced by a ribbons only challenge. Everyone can just carry on as normal (until one person complains, then the debate just goes on for ever and ruins it for everyone). |
Yes - you're right, an Open challenge has not been replaced, but a Members' 48hr, or Monthly one has been. (And it doesn't ruin it for everyone - just ribbon winners.) |
Well noone likes long arguments, thats what I meant.
An admin has already posted in this thread saying they simply forgot to schedule a monthly challenge for September, and this one "In no way replaces it".
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09/03/2004 05:54:19 PM · #150 |
Originally posted by langdon:
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This brings me to my last two points: Voting is open to everyone. And if you win your second ribbon before September 30th, you CAN submit.
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Now THERE'S an incentive for you! It's early in the month, with at least 8 challenges to finish before the deadline. How about it? Let's see who can sneak in under the wire!
And, Langdon, thanks also for clarifying who can vote in this one. (I prefer to vote in challenges I don't enter, anyway. ...More objectivity :-)) This will be fun. |
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