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09/03/2004 09:41:20 AM · #1
atmospheric or just too dark

My son says that there's more atmosphere on the moon but I like this one.

Any comments welcome

Message edited by author 2004-09-03 10:05:28.
09/03/2004 09:56:21 AM · #2
I like it. Nice contrast, seems as pic is split diagonaly with bright and dark corners. Color is very cool. Nicely done.

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09/03/2004 10:04:59 AM · #3
How about inserting a thumbnail?

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I like this, too.

Generally, the advice given about darkness is to avoid absolute black in large segments of a scene (not includingpitch black backgrounds, of course) and try to get some texture there. In this shot, the entire top left is just black on my monitor. Maybe if some texture was present, that area might help add more impact.
09/04/2004 06:23:40 AM · #4
Thanks for your comments. Much appreciated
09/04/2004 06:50:04 AM · #5
Personally... I love it. The deep shadows and the excellent colours work very, very well.
09/04/2004 06:52:35 AM · #6
Love it.

Simply beautiful.
09/04/2004 07:14:50 AM · #7
Originally posted by Fibonacci:

... My son says that there's more atmosphere on the moon ...

I don't think I would put it quite like that, but I think I agree with him. An atmosphere has substance to it that supports what is there. I am not finding a decernable subject in this composition ... but that is not a matter of it being too dark or not, the colors and shades are great. It just has nothing to say, and anything that it might have had just does not have the 'atmosphere' for it to survive.

As I am not getting enough out of it to even hazzard a guess as to what you are wanting to convey, I can not make a suggestion for improvement. Sorry.

David
09/04/2004 07:28:15 AM · #8
I think the light is great. It's probably what you saw there when you took the shot. It is supposed to look that way. I love the soft light that gides ower attention in the photo. I love it.
09/04/2004 09:39:47 AM · #9
David
Firstly, thanks for the time you spent in posting your views and comments.

My work as a consulting environmental engineer affords me many opportunities to visit industrial sites in the UK and Europe. I am often deeply saddened by the contrast in "housekeeping" investment between "Management" and "workers" areas such as canteens, toilet facilities and workstations.

The shot was inspired by my impression of the almost Dickension squallor of the lime dosing station. The slitting bench is a pile of old pallets, the riddle is a sawn down oil drum and although the men make an effort to clean the area the management will not spend any money on a tiled floor or hose down facilities.

The feeling that I tried to capture is that of looking into a dark and secret corner. I have always loved the work of Vermeer and especially admire the way he uses bright highlights in dark areas. I attempted to inject a little of that "feel" into the composition. Possibly not too successfully!

Do not apologise for your honest crit. I value your opinion greatly.

Thanks again

Originally posted by Britannica:

Originally posted by Fibonacci:

... My son says that there's more atmosphere on the moon ...

I don't think I would put it quite like that, but I think I agree with him. An atmosphere has substance to it that supports what is there. I am not finding a decernable subject in this composition ... but that is not a matter of it being too dark or not, the colors and shades are great. It just has nothing to say, and anything that it might have had just does not have the 'atmosphere' for it to survive.

As I am not getting enough out of it to even hazzard a guess as to what you are wanting to convey, I can not make a suggestion for improvement. Sorry.

David
09/04/2004 10:00:10 AM · #10
Originally posted by Fibonacci:

My work as a consulting environmental engineer affords me many opportunities to visit industrial sites in the UK and Europe. I am often deeply saddened by the contrast in "housekeeping" investment between "Management" and "workers" areas such as canteens, toilet facilities and workstations.

The shot was inspired by my impression of the almost Dickension squallor of the lime dosing station. The slitting bench is a pile of old pallets, the riddle is a sawn down oil drum and although the men make an effort to clean the area the management will not spend any money on a tiled floor or hose down facilities.

The feeling that I tried to capture is that of looking into a dark and secret corner. I have always loved the work of Vermeer and especially admire the way he uses bright highlights in dark areas. I attempted to inject a little of that "feel" into the composition. Possibly not too successfully!

Your explanatory note helps a lot for those of us looking at a completely unfamiliar scene. I've been in many "industrial" environments, but never seen this type of facility ... knowing what one is looking at sometimes helps appreciate it more -- I don't think attaching a title or other info makes it a "bad" photo like some people seem to.

I'd like to see it with just a hint of detail (if any) in the upper shadows though.

You might want to check out this thread on a UN environmental photography contest.

Message edited by author 2004-09-04 10:01:28.
09/04/2004 11:42:34 AM · #11
Thanks paul

Bob
09/04/2004 05:56:12 PM · #12
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Fibonacci:

My work as a consulting environmental engineer affords me many opportunities to visit industrial sites in the UK and Europe. I am often deeply saddened by the contrast in "housekeeping" investment between "Management" and "workers" areas such as canteens, toilet facilities and workstations.

The shot was inspired by my impression of the almost Dickension squallor of the lime dosing station. The slitting bench is a pile of old pallets, the riddle is a sawn down oil drum and although the men make an effort to clean the area the management will not spend any money on a tiled floor or hose down facilities.

The feeling that I tried to capture is that of looking into a dark and secret corner. I have always loved the work of Vermeer and especially admire the way he uses bright highlights in dark areas. I attempted to inject a little of that "feel" into the composition. Possibly not too successfully!

Your explanatory note helps a lot for those of us looking at a completely unfamiliar scene. I've been in many "industrial" environments, but never seen this type of facility ... knowing what one is looking at sometimes helps appreciate it more -- I don't think attaching a title or other info makes it a "bad" photo like some people seem to.

I'd like to see it with just a hint of detail (if any) in the upper shadows though.

You might want to check out this thread on a UN environmental photography contest.

Indeed... I had thought I was looking at a little used back alley of a major town (the kind where seedy types drag those that are never seen again), but there was nothing descript about it as I was seeing it -- just a dumpster and some old pallets. Your description makes a world of difference -- I work on a daily basis in an industrial setting, but not even at its worst can it compare to the conditions shown here.

While I feel an image should stand on its own merit when conveying its intent, I do not feel this is an issue here. We communicate by means of agreed upon symbols, with different cultures having different sets for the same ideas -- we call these languages. Your image was simply communicating in a language I was not familiar with, but once you defined the unfamiliar elements the image stands on its own quite well. Thank you.

David
09/04/2004 08:07:36 PM · #13
A dark and gloomy landscape of our future ...

I was thinking of submitting this to the UN Environmental contest. Anyone have an opinion about whether I should keep the name on the the sign at the bottom, or move the crop up to eliminate the words and include a bit more gray sky?

Slingin' "Hash" at Club Shred.
09/05/2004 04:55:04 AM · #14
What is that? A meth lab? I swear I'm not from the midwest... Tsk..
09/05/2004 05:53:44 AM · #15
This is my kind of photo! I love it Fibonacci.

Reminds me a bit of one I took over the summer:

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09/05/2004 06:21:00 AM · #16
Originally posted by Figo:

What is that? A meth lab? I swear I'm not from the midwest... Tsk..


It's an insufflation station

Thanks for comments

Message edited by author 2004-09-05 06:28:59.
09/05/2004 05:41:07 PM · #17
Originally posted by VisiBlanco:

This is my kind of photo! I love it Fibonacci.

Reminds me a bit of one I took over the summer:

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Nice shot

Did you manage to get away before the police arrived ?
09/05/2004 06:36:06 PM · #18
Originally posted by Fibonacci:

Nice shot

Did you manage to get away before the police arrived ?


Yep, actually toured the whole factory; some of the best pics are here: //www.derelictdreams.com/places.php?gallery=7&photo=1

Accidentally met up with the owner while walking around the property (luckily it was *after* my couple hours inside the place).... he didn't sound pleased and I ended up running a mile back to my car. Was it worth it? Yes.
09/05/2004 08:27:36 PM · #19
Originally posted by GeneralE:

A dark and gloomy landscape of our future ...

I was thinking of submitting this to the UN Environmental contest. Anyone have an opinion about whether I should keep the name on the the sign at the bottom, or move the crop up to eliminate the words and include a bit more gray sky?

Slingin' "Hash" at Club Shred.

Any of you industrial-strength photographers want to offer an opinion on this quick cropping question? (Any other opinions welcome too, of course!)
09/05/2004 10:14:48 PM · #20
GeneralE, I'd go for a gray looking sky. Can you dodge and burn for the UN contest? I think that showing the sign has it's benefits, but for a contest like this, I'd refrain from showing any company names.
09/05/2004 10:47:46 PM · #21

Paul, crop the bottom just enough to eliminate the company sign. Leave the top as is.

This is probably your best photograph of the past two years. Congratulations. Do change the title.
09/05/2004 10:55:39 PM · #22
Another industrial-type photo... I still suck at dodging and burning though.

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09/05/2004 11:38:53 PM · #23
Originally posted by JEM:

Paul, crop the bottom just enough to eliminate the company sign. Leave the top as is.

This is probably your best photograph of the past two years. Congratulations. Do change the title.

Wow, thank you!

Title suggestions? I'm drawing a blank on a decent "straight" title. I take it the out-of-standard aspect ratio (if I crop as suggested) doesn't seem to matter? I'd probably then pad it out with a white border if I print it ...

Also, I dropped by your profile page and left a comment on your own contribution to the Industrial photography category.

Message edited by author 2004-09-05 23:47:51.
09/05/2004 11:52:54 PM · #24
I also like it. Tells a story and I love the contrast and deep tones.

Originally posted by Fibonacci:

atmospheric or just too dark

My son says that there's more atmosphere on the moon but I like this one.

Any comments welcome

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