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05/28/2013 05:58:44 PM · #1
"Fill the frame with nothing but your subject" Looking at the past challenges of Fill the frame I notice that many images actually show some background thus the actual main subject does not completely fill the frame 100%. Yet they were not DNMC. My question is then if this is acceptable or must the main image fill the image 100% without even a slight piece of background or surrounding area showing anywhere?
05/28/2013 06:02:49 PM · #2
sometimes I think that "more or less" is implicit in more or less all challenge descriptions. that's what I think, more or less.
05/28/2013 06:03:10 PM · #3
Oh, good lord. Just make sure your subject dominates the frame, and be done with it.
05/28/2013 06:04:59 PM · #4
DNMC ought not be an issue of consideration in this scenario if the subject is the sole item of interest in the frame.

I most certainly do not consider myself a photographer but a quick google of "Fill the frame" seems to suggest something other than what you are alluding to.

I will now let the informed photographers provide you with more enlightened responses. :O)

Ray
05/28/2013 06:06:22 PM · #5
Originally posted by RayEthier:

DNMC ought not be an issue of consideration in this scenario if the subject is the sole item of interest in the frame.

I most certainly do not consider myself a photographer but a quick google of "Fill the frame" seems to suggest something other than what you are alluding to.

I will now let the informed photographers provide you with more enlightened responses. :O)

Ray


Edited to add: BVY summarized my views much better than I did. :O)
05/28/2013 06:13:44 PM · #6
Well thanks to you all for your carefully weighed feedback. You have solved my dilemma completely :)

Ps. Reason I asked this is because in the past challenges of this theme many of the images which did show a slight piece of surroundings received quite a number of comments with the remark DNMC. I personally also do not hold such a narrow view.

Message edited by author 2013-05-28 18:16:00.
05/28/2013 06:16:55 PM · #7
Originally posted by bvy:

Oh, good lord. Just make sure your subject dominates the frame, and be done with it.


You sound a bit exasperated
05/28/2013 06:18:30 PM · #8
His pizza is late.
05/28/2013 06:45:48 PM · #9
it didn't fill the frame
05/28/2013 06:56:09 PM · #10
Good old DPC. My friend who is new to photography and brand new member of DPC asked me to explain "fill the frame".

I gave her two answers:

1) It means to really zoom in and focus on your subject, to have no other elements in the photo to distract from your subject (which should take up the vast majority of your photo). Any visible background needs to be plain and unobtrusive.

2) In DPC it means subject and subject ONLY. If you have the tiniest little corner of background showing, someone (more likely: several someones) will penalize you for it.
05/28/2013 07:21:05 PM · #11
Originally posted by theFREDfactor:

Originally posted by bvy:

Oh, good lord. Just make sure your subject dominates the frame, and be done with it.


You sound a bit exasperated


It's gas. Too much pizza.
05/28/2013 08:04:31 PM · #12
I want to know why every time I enter a challenge it goes beyond 100 entries. I need to focus on these 40 entry challenges so I have a chance of breaking the top 50.
05/28/2013 09:51:12 PM · #13
AS long as your main subject is predominant in the image, it's fine. That 3% of image real estate that just happens to be background is not the end of the world.
05/29/2013 12:24:43 AM · #14
Originally posted by Beetle:

Good old DPC. My friend who is new to photography and brand new member of DPC asked me to explain "fill the frame".

I gave her two answers:

1) It means to really zoom in and focus on your subject, to have no other elements in the photo to distract from your subject (which should take up the vast majority of your photo). Any visible background needs to be plain and unobtrusive.

2) In DPC it means subject and subject ONLY. If you have the tiniest little corner of background showing, someone (more likely: several someones) will penalize you for it.


If you look at a lot of the top 5 or 10 entries in the previous fill the frame challenges, I don't think #2 holds up well.

Dave

Message edited by author 2013-05-29 01:10:11.
05/31/2013 12:53:43 PM · #15
Oh heck
05/31/2013 01:27:10 PM · #16
IMO - your subject must "fill the frame" ;)
05/31/2013 01:29:16 PM · #17
Originally posted by M_Randazzo:

IMO - your subject must "fill the frame" ;)


im voting a 1 to anyone that doesn't have a border.
05/31/2013 01:30:33 PM · #18
Originally posted by DCNUTTER:

Originally posted by Beetle:

Good old DPC. My friend who is new to photography and brand new member of DPC asked me to explain "fill the frame".

I gave her two answers:

1) It means to really zoom in and focus on your subject, to have no other elements in the photo to distract from your subject (which should take up the vast majority of your photo). Any visible background needs to be plain and unobtrusive.

2) In DPC it means subject and subject ONLY. If you have the tiniest little corner of background showing, someone (more likely: several someones) will penalize you for it.


If you look at a lot of the top 5 or 10 entries in the previous fill the frame challenges, I don't think #2 holds up well.

Dave


And #2 is a shame. I believe SC has always said to vote on the photo, and if you think it DNMC, then don't vote and/or report it, versus voting it down.

(There have been several photos I haven't voted on in some challenges because I couldn't really see how it met the challenge. Instead of penalizing the photographer, I just withheld my vote instead, since rules are definitely subjective and a great photo should be penalized due to different interpretations of the rules.)
05/31/2013 01:31:44 PM · #19
Originally posted by mariahdc:

Originally posted by DCNUTTER:

Originally posted by Beetle:

Good old DPC. My friend who is new to photography and brand new member of DPC asked me to explain "fill the frame".

I gave her two answers:

1) It means to really zoom in and focus on your subject, to have no other elements in the photo to distract from your subject (which should take up the vast majority of your photo). Any visible background needs to be plain and unobtrusive.

2) In DPC it means subject and subject ONLY. If you have the tiniest little corner of background showing, someone (more likely: several someones) will penalize you for it.


If you look at a lot of the top 5 or 10 entries in the previous fill the frame challenges, I don't think #2 holds up well.

Dave


And #2 is a shame. I believe SC has always said to vote on the photo, and if you think it DNMC, then don't vote and/or report it, versus voting it down.

(There have been several photos I haven't voted on in some challenges because I couldn't really see how it met the challenge. Instead of penalizing the photographer, I just withheld my vote instead, since rules are definitely subjective and a great photo should be penalized due to different interpretations of the rules.)


no, they say dont vote it down if you believe it broke an editing rule and maybe subject to DQ, DNMC is fair game to low voting.

Message edited by author 2013-05-31 13:32:14.
05/31/2013 01:34:43 PM · #20
Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by mariahdc:

Originally posted by DCNUTTER:

Originally posted by Beetle:

Good old DPC. My friend who is new to photography and brand new member of DPC asked me to explain "fill the frame".

I gave her two answers:

1) It means to really zoom in and focus on your subject, to have no other elements in the photo to distract from your subject (which should take up the vast majority of your photo). Any visible background needs to be plain and unobtrusive.

2) In DPC it means subject and subject ONLY. If you have the tiniest little corner of background showing, someone (more likely: several someones) will penalize you for it.


If you look at a lot of the top 5 or 10 entries in the previous fill the frame challenges, I don't think #2 holds up well.

Dave


And #2 is a shame. I believe SC has always said to vote on the photo, and if you think it DNMC, then don't vote and/or report it, versus voting it down.

(There have been several photos I haven't voted on in some challenges because I couldn't really see how it met the challenge. Instead of penalizing the photographer, I just withheld my vote instead, since rules are definitely subjective and a great photo should be penalized due to different interpretations of the rules.)


no, they say dont vote it down if you believe it broke an editing rule and maybe subject to DQ, DNMC is fair game to low voting.


//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_rules.php?RULES_ID=13

You may not:

give an entry a lower score because you believe it violates the Challenge Rules.


Edited to add: Okay, I see the difference now - my bad. I was thinking the Challenge Rules pertained to DNMC, versus what I think of as the 'editing rules'. Thanks for the clarification.

Message edited by author 2013-05-31 13:36:50.
05/31/2013 01:39:01 PM · #21
Folks always seem to look for reasons to DNMC an image. Why not follow the spirit of the challenge than be a militant anally following the letter of the law? You'll enjoy this site a lot more, I guarantee it.
05/31/2013 01:42:13 PM · #22
Originally posted by Garry:

Folks always seem to look for reasons to DNMC an image. Why not follow the spirit of the challenge than be a militant anally following the letter of the law? You'll enjoy this site a lot more, I guarantee it.


if i can't look for flaws in others how can i expect not to make the same mistakes myself?
05/31/2013 01:45:52 PM · #23
I used to fill the frame all the time. Then I went on a diet.
05/31/2013 01:49:37 PM · #24
Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by Garry:

Folks always seem to look for reasons to DNMC an image. Why not follow the spirit of the challenge than be a militant anally following the letter of the law? You'll enjoy this site a lot more, I guarantee it.


if i can't look for flaws in others how can i expect not to make the same mistakes myself?

Big difference between looking for flaws in an image and looking for reasons to DNMC an image.
05/31/2013 01:50:46 PM · #25
Originally posted by Garry:

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by Garry:

Folks always seem to look for reasons to DNMC an image. Why not follow the spirit of the challenge than be a militant anally following the letter of the law? You'll enjoy this site a lot more, I guarantee it.


if i can't look for flaws in others how can i expect not to make the same mistakes myself?

Big difference between looking for flaws in an image and looking for reasons to DNMC an image.


depends on your objectives.
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