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09/28/2013 01:49:29 PM · #351 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Someone working full-time for the Federal minimum wage |
you said it right there. If they are working and still need assistance ok. Howevr if they choose to sit at home while drawing a check (there is alot of hat out there) give them a job to do. They wouldnt be good jobs necessarily but they would be helping to improve our cities (beuification projecs, sewer repairs, cleaning out ditches, etc.) |
Those all sound like public works projects, paid for with taxes. Republicans don't want people working for the government. What private company is going to pay someone to mow the lawn in the the park, or sweep the streets, etc.? This was the plan FDR used to pull us out of the Grest Depression, but try to convince a Tea Partier that they should pay taxes so someone can work for the government ... |
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09/28/2013 02:00:45 PM · #352 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Someone working full-time for the Federal minimum wage |
you said it right there. If they are working and still need assistance ok. Howevr if they choose to sit at home while drawing a check (there is alot of hat out there) give them a job to do. They wouldnt be good jobs necessarily but they would be helping to improve our cities (beuification projecs, sewer repairs, cleaning out ditches, etc.) |
Those all sound like public works projects, paid for with taxes. Republicans don't want people working for the government. What private company is going to pay someone to mow the lawn in the the park, or sweep the streets, etc.? This was the plan FDR used to pull us out of the Grest Depression, but try to convince a Tea Partier that they should pay taxes so someone can work for the government ... |
These are essentially public works projects....The object is to get people off of that and into non-govmt jobs. If the govmt is going to give these people money make them earn it. Teach the pop to work for what they get
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09/28/2013 02:14:36 PM · #353 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
These are essentially public works projects....The object is to get people off of that and into non-govmt jobs. If the govmt is going to give these people money make them earn it. Teach the pop to work for what they get |
When did you become an FDR Democrat? |
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09/28/2013 02:36:14 PM · #354 |
1st of all I am no whre close to a dem. 2nd I have never heard a republican say anything along the lines of not working for the money you recieve. I am also for drug tests to recieve welfare.
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09/28/2013 05:02:51 PM · #355 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
... I am also for drug tests to recieve welfare. |
Is it an assumption of yours that only welfare people take drugs... if not, why not test everyone from politicians to the personnel in our armed forces.
Ray |
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09/28/2013 05:25:02 PM · #356 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
They need to go ahead and defund the un-afordable healthcare act. It is too expensive for the nation. We need to make cuts not increase costs. |
The Congressional Budget Office estimates the healthcare act will REDUCE the deficit by $109 billion. House Republicans include that savings in their own budget.
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Also we do not need to raise the debt ceiling until MAJOR cuts are made. |
These are two separate issues. Try telling your credit card company that you won't pay the existing bill until your spouse agrees to dine out less often next year. It's the same thing (and with similar financial consequences). What is NOT a separate issue is the sad fact that the U.S. spends more every year on interest to service the federal debt than it does on welfare and the department of education combined. If legislators cannot agree to raise the limit to pay our debts (a constitutional requirement, by the way), then the resulting interest rate hike from a default would very likely incur a higher cost (with no benefit) than the demanded budget cuts. In other words, it's a monumentally stupid risk.
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
if this law is soooo great and affordable, why is it that Congress has opted out, or how about the unions, or how about companies either slashing hours or laying people off or how about doctors that own their own practices having to sell to larger hospitals or retire. I have watched my priemiums go up as well as my deductible triple. |
Congress didn't opt out, unions are still included, the companies you speak of generally didn't offer their employees healthcare in the first place and/or found that those employees would save money by buying insurance privately through the healthcare exchanges. Your claim about doctors is similarly false. Your rising premiums are insurance company antics under the EXISTING system that you're foolishly trying to defend. Several key provisions of Obamacare don't take effect until this January, at which point you will probably be able to get better coverage for less money. Turn off the Faux News, get informed, and stop fighting against your own self interests!
Message edited by author 2013-09-28 17:28:26. |
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09/28/2013 05:25:32 PM · #357 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
... I am also for drug tests to recieve welfare. |
Is it an assumption of yours that only welfare people take drugs... if not, why not test everyone from politicians to the personnel in our armed forces.
Ray |
We've been through this with him before, Ray. Adam's been shown actual facts and figures regarding the percentage of welfare recipients who are on drugs and the cost to the government of testing versus how much would be saved by denying aid to drug users, and it doesn't make any difference to him. He's living, I think, in a myth-world where most drug users are down-and-out bums and leeches on society, inevitably turning to crime and welfare scamming to support themselves and their habits. I'm not sure whether Adam's ever stopped to ask himself how, if this is the case, the illicit drug industry could be so massive? Where is all the money coming from, the billions and billions of dollars, that support the cartels? Certainly not from welfare-sucking criminals maintaining their habits... |
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09/29/2013 01:42:13 AM · #358 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
1st of all I am no whre close to a dem. 2nd I have never heard a republican say anything along the lines of not working for the money you recieve. I am also for drug tests to recieve welfare. |
I am also for prisoners not to receive food, uniforms or any form of medical treatment that is costing 'us' money. And yes, those savages covered in tattoos and doing nothing behind bars should be drug tested before they enter prison; if they are not drug free, do not allow them in.
What I do agree with is that welfare should not be spent on drugs. Welfare should also not be in the form of money, but in the form of benefits.
Example; you on welfare? Move into one of these apartments, the state will pay. Get your meals here, the state will pay. Whatever you need, you will get in the form needed, not in cash that can be used any which way. Bet we will save money on so-called welfare.
Welfare is not about politics, it is about caring for society. To give money to use as you wish, feed bad habits/is unaccountable for, is as bad as not giving anything.
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09/29/2013 01:45:00 AM · #359 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Someone working full-time for the Federal minimum wage |
you said it right there. If they are working and still need assistance ok. Howevr if they choose to sit at home while drawing a check (there is alot of hat out there) give them a job to do. They wouldnt be good jobs necessarily but they would be helping to improve our cities (beuification projecs, sewer repairs, cleaning out ditches, etc.) |
Those all sound like public works projects, paid for with taxes. Republicans don't want people working for the government. What private company is going to pay someone to mow the lawn in the the park, or sweep the streets, etc.? This was the plan FDR used to pull us out of the Grest Depression, but try to convince a Tea Partier that they should pay taxes so someone can work for the government ... |
Sad thing, however, these work projects would most probably end up being done by China or other nations we have so gladly opted out to. |
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09/29/2013 02:15:07 AM · #360 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
... I am also for drug tests to recieve welfare. |
Is it an assumption of yours that only welfare people take drugs... if not, why not test everyone from politicians to the personnel in our armed forces.
Ray |
FYI - members of the armed forces ARE randomly tested for drugs. |
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09/29/2013 02:17:18 AM · #361 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
... I am also for drug tests to recieve welfare. |
Is it an assumption of yours that only welfare people take drugs... if not, why not test everyone from politicians to the personnel in our armed forces.
Ray |
FYI - members of the armed forces ARE randomly tested for drugs. |
And I definitely think the politicians should be tested... They're clearly on something. |
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09/29/2013 07:14:36 AM · #362 |
Cory; "And I definitely think the politicians should be tested... They're clearly on something."
Yip they are. The most powerful drug there is to man. Power. |
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09/29/2013 06:55:49 PM · #363 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
... I am also for drug tests to recieve welfare. |
Is it an assumption of yours that only welfare people take drugs... if not, why not test everyone from politicians to the personnel in our armed forces.
Ray |
FYI - members of the armed forces ARE randomly tested for drugs. |
I do believe that there exists a monumental amount of difference between "Random" testing and what is being advocated by our friend in this instance.
Also, I might be very much mistaken in this regard, but the last information I had was that the tests are given out once a year and were somewhat limited in scope, but I digress.
The costs associated with drug testing people on welfare would be astronomical and I assume that if we required them to be conducted on a monthly basis, they would likely cost more than the welfare issued.
Ray |
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09/29/2013 06:59:10 PM · #364 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
... I am also for drug tests to recieve welfare. |
Is it an assumption of yours that only welfare people take drugs... if not, why not test everyone from politicians to the personnel in our armed forces.
Ray |
FYI - members of the armed forces ARE randomly tested for drugs. |
I do believe that there exists a monumental amount of difference between "Random" testing and what is being advocated by our friend in this instance.
Also, I might be very much mistaken in this regard, but the last information I had was that the tests are given out once a year and were somewhat limited in scope, but I digress.
The costs associated with drug testing people on welfare would be astronomical and I assume that if we required them to be conducted on a monthly basis, they would likely cost more than the welfare issued.
Ray |
ROFL...
Yeah, that'd work real good.... |
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09/29/2013 09:10:57 PM · #365 |
Maybe we can hire people on welfare to drug-test politicians -- once/day should provide plenty of opportunity for employment ...
Message edited by author 2013-09-30 12:57:07. |
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10/01/2013 12:12:47 AM · #366 |
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10/01/2013 12:29:28 AM · #367 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
What a disgrace. |
+1 |
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10/01/2013 12:35:14 AM · #368 |
What's most surprising is that people are surprised.
What we really need is a real-time national referendum tool, get rid of the entire concept of 'representatives'.. They've proven long ago that they represent themselves first, their highest contributing campaign contributors next, and the public interest last. |
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10/01/2013 12:44:04 AM · #369 |
| Who's surprised, Cory? Definitely not me, and I doubt Scott is either. This has been coming for some time now. But it's still a disgrace. |
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10/01/2013 12:51:14 AM · #370 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Who's surprised, Cory? Definitely not me, and I doubt Scott is either. This has been coming for some time now. But it's still a disgrace. |
The whole system is a disgrace at this point.
Hell, someone even noted that there was a strong odor of alcohol as members filed out. Impeach 'em all. |
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10/01/2013 12:53:05 AM · #371 |
123 years ago today, the government was able to create Yosemite National Park.
123 years later, they aren't able to even keep it open. |
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10/01/2013 01:31:16 AM · #372 |
Originally posted by Cory:
123 years ago today, the government was able to create Yosemite National Park.
123 years later, they aren't able to even keep it open. |
Of course some of the new thinking helping to shut down the Federal Government will tell you that Yosemite and all other National Parks are an illegal over reach by the federal government and blatantly un-constitutional.
The constitutional guru of the Tea Party movement, W. Cleon Skousen holds that " the obscure “enclave clause” of the Constitution doesn’t authorize the president “to lock up large blocks of land within a state as a ‘wilderness reserve,’ ” or to set up national forests or national parks within the confines of a state — an eccentric view the Supreme Court has rejected. Skousen also calls for the repeal of the 16th and 17th Amendments, which he views as an affront to states’ rights, and calls for the elimination of Social Security, welfare and the national debt as examples of wealth redistribution, which he considers unconstitutional because, in his words, the founders authorized the government only “to protect equal rights, not provide equal things."
The tea party is truly radical and wishes to radically change the way our country is run, or tear it down if they can't get their way |
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10/01/2013 05:06:06 AM · #373 |
| All the chatter I am seeing all over the internet is "It's those damn Republicans!", "It's the dumbocrats!", "It's Obama!" and even let's blame it all on the Tea Party. Pfft. Nothing is more aggravating to me than so many people laying all the blame on their ideological opposition. As Cory mentioned, the SYSTEM is BROKEN. And as long as we keep this bullshit up, it will only get worse. |
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10/01/2013 07:26:56 AM · #374 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
As Cory mentioned, the SYSTEM is BROKEN. And as long as we keep this bullshit up, it will only get worse. |
I'm with Comrade Art on this one. Smash it up and start again.
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10/01/2013 07:39:33 AM · #375 |
This little snippet from the BBC pretty accurately puts the arrogance into perspective:
Originally posted by Anthony Zurcher BBC News, Washington:
For most of the world, a government shutdown is very bad news - the result of revolution, invasion or disaster. Even in the middle of its ongoing civil war, the Syrian government has continued to pay its bills and workers' wages.
That leaders of one of the most powerful nations on earth willingly provoked a crisis that suspends public services and decreases economic growth is astonishing to many. |
Next failure on the agenda: The debt ceiling. |
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