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11/25/2013 10:39:29 AM · #1
Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

I can't remember the thread about out-of-control police, so I thought I'd post this here... really outrageous:

Miami Gardens, Florida


Did you miss my thread about my Miami police stop?

Seriously... something like 12-15 officers and a helicopter... Illegal search, all kinds of violations.. Why? Because I was 'looking suspicious' by taking pictures in a predominantly black neighborhood.

Other state departments have taken to warning their citizens about our police. Sad isn't it?


I don't recall that thread, but there have been discussions about this all the way back to the militarization of the police and the Occupy protests. "Sad" isn't the word for it.
11/24/2013 10:17:45 PM · #2
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

I can't remember the thread about out-of-control police, so I thought I'd post this here... really outrageous:

Miami Gardens, Florida


Did you miss my thread about my Miami police stop?

Seriously... something like 12-15 officers and a helicopter... Illegal search, all kinds of violations.. Why? Because I was 'looking suspicious' by taking pictures in a predominantly black neighborhood.

Other state departments have taken to warning their citizens about our police. Sad isn't it?
11/24/2013 06:07:51 PM · #3
Ridiculous!
11/24/2013 05:46:09 PM · #4
I can't remember the thread about out-of-control police, so I thought I'd post this here... really outrageous:

Miami Gardens, Florida
11/15/2013 04:32:13 PM · #5
Let's go back to talking about our rights as photographers ...

Photographers Faced With Suspicious Activity Reports
Originally posted by Linked Article:

According to a story released by NPR, Hal Bergstrom, a photographer based out of California was questioned on multiple occasions after he was observed photographing bridges and industrial scenes. Outside of being frequently harassed by security guards and local law enforcement, even when shooting on public property, Bergstrom has also answered a knock on the door from Federal agents, wanting to know what he was up to and asked him questions such as, “Do you hold any ill will toward the United States of America?”
11/12/2013 10:46:40 PM · #6
Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Paul..there were alot of people that liked their coverage and it got cancelled. Now they are faced with 2 - 3 times the payment under Obamacare. I have been predicting this for a long time...Its catching the dems by surprise

Well, it certainly sounds like there's a willingness on the part of the administration to admit that it's a problem and to try an fix it. Every large operation is going to encounter unexpected developments which require adjustment (Iraq war, for example).

Perhaps if "everyone" agreed to identify and fix the problems they could be dealt with faster. If, however, one team in the game is commited to sabotaging the deal and engages in constant obstructionism, I expect the fixes will take longer.

BTW: Please explain how Republicans can continuously call for "leadership" on the part of the President, and yet be simultaneously committed in advance to opposing his every proposal?

ETA: I heard that the policy of one of the women interviewed in the media complaining about cancellation of her $54/month "health plan" would have covered a grand total of $1000 in hospital costs. Some insurance ...

Message edited by author 2013-11-12 22:49:57.
11/12/2013 08:55:34 PM · #7
Paul..there were alot of people that liked their coverage and it got cancelled. Now they are faced with 2 - 3 times the payment under Obamacare. I have been predicting this for a long time...Its catching the dems by surprise
11/12/2013 08:55:33 PM · #8
Paul..there were alot of people that liked their coverage and it got cancelled. Now they are faced with 2 - 3 times the payment under Obamacare. I have been predicting this for a long time...Its catching the dems by surprise
11/12/2013 03:37:21 PM · #9
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11/12/2013 03:29:07 PM · #10
Another Health Insurer Caught Falsely Cancelling Thousands of Health Plans
11/09/2013 01:26:25 PM · #11
Another video.

11/08/2013 07:04:23 PM · #12
Since this rant has become largely about Obamacare, I figured I would post this video here.
In it John Green rants about why healthcare is so expensive in the United States, and how we get so little for the money we spend.
Its not really about the ACA, but aimed at why we need something to replace the inefficient and expensive system we have.
11/07/2013 02:35:20 AM · #13
Originally posted by bohemka:

Cory, I don't at all want to pry into your personal matters, but I'm interested in how Humana told you you had to switch plans, and what they said.


I don't even know if I have the original - the jist was that they were leaving the state due to the affordable care act.. To be followed up by a letter telling me that I could get their coverage through the exchange. I haven't selected a provider yet, and gotten my final cost nailed down, but the estimates are truly terrifyingly high, and the coverage is, at best, silver level.

11/07/2013 12:26:28 AM · #14
And if you read up on the implementation of health care reform in Massachusetts (the original Obamacare), you'll see that for the first two years the legislature passed several bills to fix various aspects of the legislation that weren't working as envisioned, and I believe (if I'm recalling this correctly) that they even enacted price controls. The federal Affordable Care Act will probably need fixes/improvements, in my opinion, but do you think it's going to be possible to improve upon it with the Congress we've got now? No bloody way! If it can even survive the next couple of years, the way the Republicans are trying to sabotage it.
11/06/2013 11:32:09 PM · #15
Here is a link from Forbes (a conservative leaning business magazine) about how Gingrich (a conservative congressman) and Romney (a conservative governor) agreed that the roots of the individual mandate was being promoted by the Heritage Foundation (a conservative think tank) as a conservative response to Hillary-care or the single payer system which is what most of the first world uses.

If liberals were in charge, we would not be looking at the implementation of the kluge that is the ACA, we would have a much simpler single payer system, but Obama though he would go for a compromise. That was IMHO a serious mistake.
11/06/2013 11:19:46 PM · #16
Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Really???????? It was on Obama's agenda from day 1... and before that it was Ted Kennedy. ( Kennedy's proposal had been shot down many times) Liberals always try to blame someone else for the mess we are in..... Look at Obama...he has blamed everyone except for himself. I still occasionally hear Bush Jrs name thrown out there to blame...I mean come on


You have no CLUE, Adam! It's maddening. RONALD REAGAN proposed a health care bill that was pretty much what Obamacare is now. MITT ROMNEY worked to enact the Massachusetts law that is the model for the ACA, Obamacare. Trust me: if it were just up to the liberals, we'd have true socialized medicine like what you seem to fear, like what the trest of the world already has. A single-payer system is the only one that makes economic sense.

That we DON'T have such a system in place is a measure of just how much liberals have compromised with conservatives to try to fix this massive clusterf**k that is the American health care delivery system.

You don't have a clue...

ETA:

Another, and more immediate, Republican precursor:

"With the Affordable Care Act’s first big test starting Tuesday, and the Republican push to repeal the act due largely to their claims of the unconstitutionality of the individual mandate, it seems appropriate to note the history surrounding the controversial issue. The substantial amount of contrarianism that has occurred in the past two decades is nothing short of astounding.
The fact that the individual mandate has deep Republican roots cannot be denied.The idea of an individual mandate replacing the single-payer health care system was proposed in 1989 by the conservative Heritage Foundation and was published in a paper titled, “A National Health System for America.”

In the paper, the Heritage Foundation’s director of domestic policy strategies, Stuart M. Butler, proposed that “every resident of the U.S. must, by law, be enrolled in an adequate health care plan to cover major health care costs.”

The proposal was backed by a large number of Republican politicians and was strikingly similar to the Affordable Care Act signed by Obama in 2010, which was admittedly influenced by Heritage’s proposal.

...It should be noted that President George H.W. Bush supported the individual mandate and even before this, both Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan supported various universal health care mandates."

"And in 1994, another Republican bill, titled the “Consumer Choice Health Security Act of 1994,” initially included an individual mandate.

Republicans who co-sponsored the 1994 bill, but now oppose the Affordable Care Act include: Senators Dan Coats, Charles Grassley, Orrin Hatch, and former Senators Robert Bennett, Judd Gregg, Kay Bailey Hutchison, and Richard Lugar.

Senator John McCain once supported the individual mandate as well, when in the early 1990s he made a speech proposing the individual mandate as a counter to the health care reform Bill Clinton was proposing, according to the Miami Herald."

Adam, it's just willful blindness to claim, against all evidence, that the ACA is a uniquely liberal concept that will somehow lead to the death of the Republic. It's nothing of the sort: it's just the latest in a LONG LINE of attempts by BOTH parties to apply some sort of fix that can contain skyrocketing health care costs.

Message edited by author 2013-11-06 23:29:44.
11/06/2013 10:59:14 PM · #17
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Cory,

You cant reason with liberals.... They bend the numbers to suit their needs....They think the more govmt subsidies the better. ( distribution of wealth )


Right. Unfortunately for Republicans, Obamacare is a conservative idea.


Really???????? It was on Obama's agenda from day 1... and before that it was Ted Kennedy. ( Kennedy's proposal had been shot down many times) Liberals always try to blame someone else for the mess we are in..... Look at Obama...he has blamed everyone except for himself. I still occasionally hear Bush Jrs name thrown out there to blame...I mean come on
11/06/2013 10:59:14 PM · #18
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Cory,

You cant reason with liberals.... They bend the numbers to suit their needs....They think the more govmt subsidies the better. ( distribution of wealth )


Right. Unfortunately for Republicans, Obamacare is a conservative idea.


Really???????? It was on Obama's agenda from day 1... and before that it was Ted Kennedy. ( Kennedy's proposal had been shot down many times) Liberals always try to blame someone else for the mess we are in..... Look at Obama...he has blamed everyone except for himself. I still occasionally hear Bush Jrs name thrown out there to blame...I mean come on
11/06/2013 10:16:49 PM · #19
Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Cory,

You cant reason with liberals.... They bend the numbers to suit their needs....They think the more govmt subsidies the better. ( distribution of wealth )


Right. Unfortunately for Republicans, Obamacare is a conservative idea.
11/06/2013 09:41:33 PM · #20
Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Cory,

You cant reason with liberals.... They bend the numbers to suit their needs....They think the more govmt subsidies the better. ( distribution of wealth )


Sadly Cowboy, I get the very distinct impression that government subsidies equates to the distribution of wealth exclusively to the poor and underemployed.

Do take the time to look at all the programs that are directed exclusively at and for the benefit of big business and the well to do, and then tell me which you think gets the best deal.

As far as reasoning with liberals, the sad truth about that comment is that we have not seen any efforts in this regard in recent years. Both groups seem so entrenched in their beliefs that they will not engage in any meaningful discussions and as a result the country is paying dearly for it... witness the recent debacle.

Viewed from the sidelines, what is happening in the USA today is a very sad debacle.

Ray
11/06/2013 09:27:13 PM · #21
Thanks for posting up Anne Coulter's reasoned logic. Ya, those people are liars, and you should not listen to, or speak with them. But we understand them better than they understand themselves.
11/06/2013 08:52:52 PM · #22
Cory,

You cant reason with liberals.... They bend the numbers to suit their needs....They think the more govmt subsidies the better. ( distribution of wealth )
11/06/2013 01:36:30 PM · #23
Chris Hayes has done a pretty good series this past week:

Affordable Care Facts - Part 1 (10/28/2013)

Affordable Care Facts - Part 2 (10/28/2013)

More on the ACA (10/29/2013)

The New Obamacare Boogeyman (10/30/2013)

Media Serves Up Obamacare Scare Stories (11/4/2013)
11/06/2013 01:02:40 PM · #24
Cory, I don't at all want to pry into your personal matters, but I'm interested in how Humana told you you had to switch plans, and what they said.
11/06/2013 11:37:47 AM · #25
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

Originally posted by Cory:

So..

Here's a fun one... Looks like the switch over is going to screw some very ill people.


Many of these stories have been debunked:

The Real Reason that the Cancer Patient Writing in Today's Wall Street Journal Lost Her Insurance

Running this piece as an op-ed allowed the writer to not do any real journalism. Unfortunately, no real journalism seems to be the rule rather than the exception when it comes to covering health care reform. She would have lost her coverage whether Obamacare existed or not, and if Obamacare didn't exist she would never find coverage again given her pre-existing condition.

How to Spot a Fake Obamacare Horror Story

And, Cory, for your information, the subsidy eligibility income limits under the ACA are as follows:

$45,960 (1 person)
$62,040 (family of 2)
$78,120 (family of 3)
$94,200 (family of 4)

So based on what you've told us about your income, you should be eligible for some level of subsidy (unless you define "a little over $40,000" in a very unusual way).


1 person, and yes, I do fall just over the 'you pay for everyone else' line.

So, as far as the silly examples you posted above, first of all, I absolutely call foul. They imply that the new coverage is more comprehensive, and with lower out of pocket costs, which justifies the higher premiums. Bullshit. I have higher out of pocket costs now, higher deductibles, higher premiums, and less coverage.

Sounds to me like they need to call me and have a little chat so I can set them straight.
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