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01/11/2013 11:32:36 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by pamb:
Photography is generally trying to communicate something. If you're not feeling it, the author might like to know that in a way that is less clinical than a number. |
You would think. But lets assume one gets tired of seeing similar landscapes repeatedly or entries which are not photographic in nature in expert editing challenge (my opinion only). Explicitly saying so get derided in these forums, and sometimes PMs are sent. It's simply easier to stay mum.
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I see your point on these. |
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01/11/2013 11:40:08 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by pamb:
Photography is generally trying to communicate something. If you're not feeling it, the author might like to know that in a way that is less clinical than a number. |
You would think. But lets assume one gets tired of seeing similar landscapes repeatedly or entries which are not photographic in nature in expert editing challenge (my opinion only). Explicitly saying so get derided in these forums, and sometimes PMs are sent. It's simply easier to stay mum.
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I see your point on these. |
And squirrels. :)
And I like to eat my squirrels with milk too.
Message edited by author 2013-01-11 11:45:43. |
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01/11/2013 11:40:59 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by pamb:
Photography is generally trying to communicate something. If you're not feeling it, the author might like to know that in a way that is less clinical than a number. |
You would think. But lets assume one gets tired of seeing similar landscapes repeatedly or entries which are not photographic in nature in expert editing challenge (my opinion only). Explicitly saying so get derided in these forums, and sometimes PMs are sent. It's simply easier to stay mum.
Originally posted by pamb:
As for not suggesting different processing/composition/lighting/whatever - maybe the photog would be open to nicely worded ideas. Maybe they have no idea about how to achieve something, or haven't developed an eye for artefacts etc. |
If they ask why I gave them a vote, or how to do a processing technique and I have the know how, I will almost always respond. I just don't preemptively assume they want this information beforehand. |
Your responses are often clinical, cold, blunt and rude. I would suggest working on the social skill of a gentle delivery of your opinion. I would have delivered my opinion more gently, but you seem to ignore any posts that involve being nice to people just for the hell of it. |
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01/11/2013 11:50:12 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by pamb:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by pamb:
Photography is generally trying to communicate something. If you're not feeling it, the author might like to know that in a way that is less clinical than a number. |
You would think. But lets assume one gets tired of seeing similar landscapes repeatedly or entries which are not photographic in nature in expert editing challenge (my opinion only). Explicitly saying so get derided in these forums, and sometimes PMs are sent. It's simply easier to stay mum.
Originally posted by pamb:
As for not suggesting different processing/composition/lighting/whatever - maybe the photog would be open to nicely worded ideas. Maybe they have no idea about how to achieve something, or haven't developed an eye for artefacts etc. |
If they ask why I gave them a vote, or how to do a processing technique and I have the know how, I will almost always respond. I just don't preemptively assume they want this information beforehand. |
Your responses are often clinical, cold, blunt and rude. I would suggest working on the social skill of a gentle delivery of your opinion. I would have delivered my opinion more gently, but you seem to ignore any posts that involve being nice to people just for the hell of it. |
You keep needling this guy. Do you think your going to change his opinions? |
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01/11/2013 11:54:26 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by pamb:
Your responses are often clinical, cold, blunt and rude. I would suggest working on the social skill of a gentle delivery of your opinion. I would have delivered my opinion more gently, but you seem to ignore any posts that involve being nice to people just for the hell of it. |
You keep needling this guy. Do you think your going to change his opinions? |
She may, but not with the responses she's been offering.
edit (response to pamb) - I have no problem with being nice, but blowing smoke up people's asses with inflated scores isn't how I go about doing it.
Message edited by author 2013-01-11 11:57:19. |
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01/11/2013 12:00:48 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by pamb:
Your responses are often clinical, cold, blunt and rude. I would suggest working on the social skill of a gentle delivery of your opinion. I would have delivered my opinion more gently, but you seem to ignore any posts that involve being nice to people just for the hell of it. |
why? he sees no reason to sugarcoat it. You may not agree with his delivery but at least you can trust its an honest response.
what with all this lets all build up each others self esteem so we can all think we are good and yet still suck. There are tons of places for candy comments on the internet if you want them, i come here because its honest.
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01/11/2013 12:16:16 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by pamb:
Your responses are often clinical, cold, blunt and rude. I would suggest working on the social skill of a gentle delivery of your opinion. I would have delivered my opinion more gently, but you seem to ignore any posts that involve being nice to people just for the hell of it. |
why? he sees no reason to sugarcoat it. You may not agree with his delivery but at least you can trust its an honest response.
what with all this lets all build up each others self esteem so we can all think we are good and yet still suck. There are tons of places for candy comments on the internet if you want them, i come here because its honest. |
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01/11/2013 12:41:06 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by pamb:
Your responses are often clinical, cold, blunt and rude. I would suggest working on the social skill of a gentle delivery of your opinion. I would have delivered my opinion more gently, but you seem to ignore any posts that involve being nice to people just for the hell of it. |
You keep needling this guy. Do you think your going to change his opinions? |
She may, but not with the responses she's been offering.
edit (response to pamb) - I have no problem with being nice, but blowing smoke up people's asses with inflated scores isn't how I go about doing it. |
This is a photography site. Giving someone a 4 or a 5 for trying, rather than just piling on the ones and twos because you feel like it, would hardly be blowing smoke up people's asses with an inflated score (your language, not mine), but it might go further towards encouraging us to keep entering. Sorry, but I agree with those who feel we deserve more politeness around here. Yes, it's a public forum and your method of voting is up to you, but I keep wondering WHY, as a DPC community, we are putting up with such rude behaviour. And it just keeps coming. |
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01/11/2013 12:44:05 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by pamb:
Your responses are often clinical, cold, blunt and rude. I would suggest working on the social skill of a gentle delivery of your opinion. I would have delivered my opinion more gently, but you seem to ignore any posts that involve being nice to people just for the hell of it. |
You keep needling this guy. Do you think your going to change his opinions? |
She may, but not with the responses she's been offering.
edit (response to pamb) - I have no problem with being nice, but blowing smoke up people's asses with inflated scores isn't how I go about doing it. |
This is a photography site. Giving someone a 4 or a 5 for trying, rather than just piling on the ones and twos because you feel like it, would hardly be blowing smoke up people's asses with an inflated score (your language, not mine), but it might go further towards encouraging us to keep entering. Sorry, but I agree with those who feel we deserve more politeness around here. Yes, it's a public forum and your method of voting is up to you, but I keep wondering WHY, as a DPC community, we are putting up with such rude behaviour. And it just keeps coming. |
+11 <----these go to 11 |
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01/11/2013 12:48:33 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by pamb:
Your responses are often clinical, cold, blunt and rude. I would suggest working on the social skill of a gentle delivery of your opinion. I would have delivered my opinion more gently, but you seem to ignore any posts that involve being nice to people just for the hell of it. |
You keep needling this guy. Do you think your going to change his opinions? |
She may, but not with the responses she's been offering.
edit (response to pamb) - I have no problem with being nice, but blowing smoke up people's asses with inflated scores isn't how I go about doing it. |
This is a photography site. Giving someone a 4 or a 5 for trying, rather than just piling on the ones and twos because you feel like it, would hardly be blowing smoke up people's asses with an inflated score (your language, not mine), but it might go further towards encouraging us to keep entering. Sorry, but I agree with those who feel we deserve more politeness around here. Yes, it's a public forum and your method of voting is up to you, but I keep wondering WHY, as a DPC community, we are putting up with such rude
behaviour. And it just keeps coming. |
+12
It's really gotten weird in here since I've been around. |
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01/11/2013 12:50:05 PM · #86 |
OK, so I usually don't leave a lot of comments because I am an amateur. I have loved photography my whole life and have always been amazed by what can be captured by a camera. I bought my first camera almost 2 years ago and had never taken photos before that. The week I purchased it a friend told me about this website and I have been submitting in challenges almost every week since. I am still a score addict and hit my refresh button every 15 seconds, but I am most amazed when someone leaves me feedback. The fact that they'll take the time to leave a comment means more than the score ever could, whether it's positive or negative.
Votes: 28
Views: 73
Avg Vote: 5.7500
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01/11/2013 12:56:14 PM · #87 |
if you are getting low votes it's not becuase your work didn't appeal to one, its becuase it didn't appeal to most. stop trying to lobby for better scores and start improving your photography to get better scores.
Message edited by author 2013-01-11 12:56:28. |
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01/11/2013 12:59:44 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
if you are getting low votes it's not becuase your work didn't appeal to one, its becuase it didn't appeal to most. stop trying to lobby for better scores and start improving your photography to get better scores. |
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01/11/2013 01:00:36 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
if you are getting low votes it's not becuase your work didn't appeal to one, its becuase it didn't appeal to most. stop trying to lobby for better scores and start improving your photography to get better scores. |
You don't get the point, do you?
This is not just about scores given it is the WAY it's being done and talked about.
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01/11/2013 01:01:59 PM · #90 |
I'm new to photography and the page myself but I can't wrap my brain around the voting complaints maybe it's just me.
If I get a score thats in the 4's I know I did something or many things wrong, the image is not good and it needs work whether it's poorly done or just a bad idea, I know I have to do something different.
If I get a higher score like in the upper 5's colse to 6 I know I'm heading in the right direction and maybe some tweeking here and there could get me a half point or more. Which for me isn't bad I would jump up and down for a 6.
But what does a 5 really do for anyone. You didn't like it or you would have given it a 6 or higher, you didn't hate it or you would have given it a 4 or less. You recognize the effort but the image isn't good so you give a pitty 5. |
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01/11/2013 01:02:03 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
I keep wondering WHY, as a DPC community, we are putting up with such rude behaviour. And it just keeps coming. |
worth repeating |
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01/11/2013 01:07:29 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by pamb:
Your responses are often clinical, cold, blunt and rude. I would suggest working on the social skill of a gentle delivery of your opinion. I would have delivered my opinion more gently, but you seem to ignore any posts that involve being nice to people just for the hell of it. |
You keep needling this guy. Do you think your going to change his opinions? |
She may, but not with the responses she's been offering.
edit (response to pamb) - I have no problem with being nice, but blowing smoke up people's asses with inflated scores isn't how I go about doing it. |
This is a photography site. Giving someone a 4 or a 5 for trying, rather than just piling on the ones and twos because you feel like it, would hardly be blowing smoke up people's asses with an inflated score (your language, not mine), but it might go further towards encouraging us to keep entering. Sorry, but I agree with those who feel we deserve more politeness around here. Yes, it's a public forum and your method of voting is up to you, but I keep wondering WHY, as a DPC community, we are putting up with such rude behaviour. And it just keeps coming. |
Then the scale should be 4-10
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01/11/2013 01:07:36 PM · #93 |
seriously people, how many times are we going to go through this?
if its important to you to get a good score and you want more feedback, lots of people are willing to make their vote known and why, just ask when voting is over.
otherwise chalk it up to not good enough and move on to the next. people learn from failure and if you give higher scores becuase you think it makes people feel better they arent failing when then should be.
just vote honestly how you perceive the image, the average will always work out.
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01/11/2013 01:16:17 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
You don't get the point, do you?
This is not just about scores given it is the WAY it's being done and talked about. |
no, i do get the point, remember people dont feel the should have to justify their votes, nor should they, so they come off as abrasive.
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01/11/2013 01:17:40 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
seriously people, how many times are we going to go through this?
if its important to you to get a good score and you want more feedback, lots of people are willing to make their vote known and why, just ask when voting is over.
otherwise chalk it up to not good enough and move on to the next. people learn from failure and if you give higher scores becuase you think it makes people feel better they arent failing when then should be.
just vote honestly how you perceive the image, the average will always work out. |
Mike, although I do agree with you overall I disagree on this one statement..."otherwise chalk it up to not good enough" I think it should read otherwise chalk it up to not good enough for this specific audience?! |
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01/11/2013 01:23:37 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by antje1777:
Originally posted by mike_311:
seriously people, how many times are we going to go through this?
if its important to you to get a good score and you want more feedback, lots of people are willing to make their vote known and why, just ask when voting is over.
otherwise chalk it up to not good enough and move on to the next. people learn from failure and if you give higher scores becuase you think it makes people feel better they arent failing when then should be.
just vote honestly how you perceive the image, the average will always work out. |
Mike, although I do agree with you overall I disagree on this one statement..."otherwise chalk it up to not good enough" I think it should read otherwise chalk it up to not good enough for this specific audience?! |
yes, i agree, that was the intent of that statement.
lets face it, we KNOW when our images are good, we are just looking to see how they received in this corner of the internet becuase we care and value the opinions here.
Message edited by author 2013-01-11 13:26:27. |
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01/11/2013 01:26:39 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
You don't get the point, do you?
This is not just about scores given it is the WAY it's being done and talked about. |
no, i do get the point, remember people dont feel the should have to justify their votes, nor should they, so they come off as abrasive. |
I'm sure if you changed the avatar and moniker on the left, people would read my comments in an entirely different light.
My responses might be clinical, terse, and cold, that doesn't make them rude.
Message edited by author 2013-01-11 13:36:29. |
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01/11/2013 01:27:06 PM · #98 |
I just wish that everyone would agree to the math that a 5 photo is slightly below "average" and a 6 photo is slightly above "average". Use 6-10 for good-great photos (that meet the challenge of course) and 5-1 for ok-bad photos.
I've read where people give an "average" photo a 3 so they have more room to divide the upper scores, but that makes no sense. Even if they are consistent. The site averages the numbers, so no matter how you slice it, 5.5 is an average score. If two voters agree a photo is average, they should be giving it a 5 or a 6 and then work up or down from there. |
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01/11/2013 01:29:15 PM · #99 |
And this thread is turning into Groundhog Day... been awhile (for me anyway) discussing voting patterns. Now back to scores...
Made it back to 5.7 range. |
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01/11/2013 01:30:08 PM · #100 |
Maybe the answer is to get rid of score threads. Then nobody can complain or taut and the rest of us won't have to listen to why you all are entitled to hand out whatever scores you like. I for one am sick of hearing about it!
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