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02/22/2013 10:38:13 AM · #1076 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Thanks for the link Erick, it will come in handy.
Considering that these items were being shipped to a US based company with vast amounts of experience in this regard, I would have assumed that they would have informed their Canadian counterparts in this regard. That did not happen and is the reason why the matter ended up on my desk.
Regarding the difference in shell casings, I have no doubt that you are keenly aware of the differences. I simply brought it to the fore in an effort to forewarn those that might not appreciate the subtle differences and the dangers that can exist.
Have a great day,
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You as well! :-) |
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02/24/2013 12:59:21 AM · #1077 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by robs:
There is NO solution in this country while talking about gun control.... The NRA lobby is too well funded and organised and hides behind freedom and all that crap (much to the disgrace of the silent majority... I've just stopped been so silent).
I firmly believe the ONLY possible path is restriction on ammunition.... EVEN Israel has a restriction on how many bullets civilians are allowed to own.
I also believe that private sales of guns need to be ban and all sales be funneled thru a licensed gun dealer so that both side of the txn are from registered owners (it's a pretty small step that MIGHT be possible). |
I sold a gun a few years ago and required the purchaser to have the trade done through FFL dealer with the back ground check and firmly believe this should be the law
i agree with you. i was talking with my brother-in-law (former military and now teacher and his father is avid NRA member and former cop) and his point was , we have gun restrictions, but he said something like 80% of guns are bought at gun shows, circumventing the laws in place.Went to a gun show in Alabama Sherrifs Department was there and required all transactions to be handled with the standard background check required by law. Now I do not know if this is a state requirment or federal.
lets close up the loopholes place some restriction on ammunition enact some stiffer penalties and see where its leads to. we have consistently had more and more guns in our hands and gun violence has increased steadily in that time, so its apparent to be that continuing to add more guns isn't the answer. |
It has already been proven where guns are in the hands of law abiding citizens the crime rate is lower. Criminals do not abide by any laws and lunatics will continue to kill regardless of their weapon of choice. If you look at the most recent events non of the guns used were legally in the possession of the assailant. None of the criminals were members of the NRA. Murder is a sad fact of life and people are murdered every day with many types of objects. The issue is society. We blame the wrong thing. |
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02/24/2013 02:06:21 AM · #1078 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
Criminals do not abide by any laws and lunatics will continue to kill regardless of their weapon of choice. If you look at the most recent events non of the guns used were legally in the possession of the assailant. None of the criminals were members of the NRA. Murder is a sad fact of life and people are murdered every day with many types of objects. The issue is society. We blame the wrong thing. |
I am a bit puzzled by the idea that we ought not to pass laws to impinge on the plurality of Americans because criminals will not be deterred by the passing of a law. Is that not what defines a criminal? The fact is that guns are very effective tools for killing people, and that the reason we Americans are so good at killing each other is that compared to other nations we have better tools to carry out the act. Sure, if you are really committed, you can kill a person with a rock, but if you want to do a drive by you really need a gun. i knew a guy in college who was attacked and stabbed 23 times with a knife, do you know anyone who was shot 23 times with a gun and lived to tell the tale? |
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02/24/2013 12:22:34 PM · #1079 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
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It has already been proven where guns are in the hands of law abiding citizens the crime rate is lower. Criminals do not abide by any laws and lunatics will continue to kill regardless of their weapon of choice. If you look at the most recent events non of the guns used were legally in the possession of the assailant. None of the criminals were members of the NRA. Murder is a sad fact of life and people are murdered every day with many types of objects. The issue is society. We blame the wrong thing. [/quote]
I would love to see the statistics on that and some indication as to the number of incidents involving firearms where people were accidentally injured or killed.
The fact that the guns were not legaly owned by the perpetrators and that they were not members of the NRA does little to validate your argument. Unsafe storage would be in my view more of an issue of consideration.
While there is no disputing the fact that people are murdered every day with objects other than guns, very few of these offer the potential for mass killings that firearms provide.
When one considers that there are in excess of 300 million registered firearms in the USA, one would think that you would be the safest country in the world, but apparently such is not the case.
Ray
Message edited by author 2013-02-24 21:08:02. |
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02/28/2013 01:26:15 AM · #1080 |
Any thoughts on this? Guns confiscated from US citizens
Clearly it's NRA propaganda, but, I don't think it's a lie - I think it's true, and I think it's the future.
Any of the apologists care to comment?
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02/28/2013 01:29:41 AM · #1081 |
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02/28/2013 02:42:51 PM · #1082 |
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02/28/2013 03:05:46 PM · #1083 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Any thoughts on this? Guns confiscated from US citizens
Clearly it's NRA propaganda, but, I don't think it's a lie - I think it's true, and I think it's the future.
Any of the apologists care to comment? |
so the police are try to disarm a potential war zone and its a problem?
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02/28/2013 03:51:36 PM · #1084 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Cory:
Any thoughts on this? Guns confiscated from US citizens
Clearly it's NRA propaganda, but, I don't think it's a lie - I think it's true, and I think it's the future.
Any of the apologists care to comment? |
so the police are try to disarm a potential war zone and its a problem? |
Potential war zone? Really?
Frankly, that seems to be EXACTLY when I'd prefer to be armed - looters and criminals, and no cops to do anything about it because they're all busy confiscating the guns.. Sounds like just precisely the right time to own a firearm to me. |
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02/28/2013 05:37:14 PM · #1085 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Any thoughts on this? Guns confiscated from US citizens
Clearly it's NRA propaganda, but, I don't think it's a lie - I think it's true, and I think it's the future.
Any of the apologists care to comment? |
This was SIX YEARS AGO, and under the Bush administration... |
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02/28/2013 06:29:11 PM · #1086 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Any thoughts on this? Guns confiscated from US citizens
Clearly it's NRA propaganda, but, I don't think it's a lie - I think it's true, and I think it's the future.
Any of the apologists care to comment? |
This was SIX YEARS AGO, and under the Bush administration... |
Which makes it all the more scary doesn't it? |
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02/28/2013 09:17:33 PM · #1087 |
“For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction” said some guy napping under a apple tree, or so the story goes. He did make a mighty good fruit cookie, so I believe him.
We as Americans are above that, we are quick to define a problem and react with no possibility of negative consequence, case and point The Department of Homeland Security, here to protect our national interests against granny with a dangerous water bottle, armed with a concealed fingernail file, we better strip search.
Now, yes now we have the opportunity to give a police more power. As we all know police are always fair delegates of our civil rights and the Constitution of the United States.
Lets face it folks, every time we allow a knee-jerk law to be put in place, it has always cost us more in personal freedom then we gained in a supposed safety. It’s time to think what will work, rather than allow the smell of pork grease distract us into believing it’s a good meal.
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02/28/2013 09:35:49 PM · #1088 |
Originally posted by alans_world:
“For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction” said some guy napping under a apple tree, or so the story goes. He did make a mighty good fruit cookie, so I believe him.
We as Americans are above that, we are quick to define a problem and react with no possibility of negative consequence, case and point The Department of Homeland Security, here to protect our national interests against granny with a dangerous water bottle, armed with a concealed fingernail file, we better strip search.
Now, yes now we have the opportunity to give a police more power. As we all know police are always fair delegates of our civil rights and the Constitution of the United States.
Lets face it folks, every time we allow a knee-jerk law to be put in place, it has always cost us more in personal freedom then we gained in a supposed safety. It’s time to think what will work, rather than allow the smell of pork grease distract us into believing it’s a good meal. |
i don't think this is knee jerk, this debate has been going on for sometime it finally it the tipping point.
and its the same unprogressive folks who are resisting their track record isn't very good. |
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02/28/2013 10:05:28 PM · #1089 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This was SIX YEARS AGO, and under the Bush administration... |
Which makes it all the more scary doesn't it? |
Affirmative! |
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02/28/2013 10:06:27 PM · #1090 |
| I guess I can understand you living in NJ, high density, high crime. I lived in Hartford as a youth. But. Should the same laws effect those in lower crime, density areas like say Idaho. It's difficult to nutshell the entire country. I don't own a firearm, but I know of areas in this USA if you try to take what is theirs, you better bring the Army. |
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02/28/2013 10:43:04 PM · #1091 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by alans_world:
“For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction” said some guy napping under a apple tree, or so the story goes. He did make a mighty good fruit cookie, so I believe him.
We as Americans are above that, we are quick to define a problem and react with no possibility of negative consequence, case and point The Department of Homeland Security, here to protect our national interests against granny with a dangerous water bottle, armed with a concealed fingernail file, we better strip search.
Now, yes now we have the opportunity to give a police more power. As we all know police are always fair delegates of our civil rights and the Constitution of the United States.
Lets face it folks, every time we allow a knee-jerk law to be put in place, it has always cost us more in personal freedom then we gained in a supposed safety. It’s time to think what will work, rather than allow the smell of pork grease distract us into believing it’s a good meal. |
i don't think this is knee jerk, this debate has been going on for sometime it finally it the tipping point.
and its the same unprogressive folks who are resisting their track record isn't very good. |
Calling those who are unwilling to move unprogressive is really disingenuous.
It's similar to me calling you unprogressive because you refuse to give up your car, fast food, and the general consumer lifestyle that is so popular in America. Clearly, that's more likely to kill you than any gun is, what sort of unprogressive person would CHOOSE those sort of activities.
Honestly? I think most of the folks screaming about the need for gun control should try to understand just how strongly perceived authority affects your judgement. Obviously, if an official says guns are evil, well hell, guns must be evil.
In truth, I just don't want to be this guy..
Message edited by author 2013-02-28 22:44:33. |
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02/28/2013 11:27:40 PM · #1092 |
| I loved the perceived authority video, as a foreman in bridge construction I often stopped or redirected traffic with no issue with my hand. On the other hand I would hate to think fools could or would try to emulate this. Often I was moving equipment that could not be seen by motorist and a vehicle entering the work area could have been a danger to them-self and or to a worker. |
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03/02/2013 11:21:16 PM · #1093 |
Y'all proud of yourselves yet?
This is honestly idiocy of the highest order - you should be honestly be ashamed of yourselves.
And yes, I wrote that in a very broad manner, because it's all you screaming ninnys that are causing this nonsense.
Boy suspended for chewing pastry into shape of gun at school.
And of course, in Colorado there's a boy who's fighting to use the girl's restrooms... I'm not even sure if I'm against it, or for it, or if the parents should have their heads examined. What I DO know is that this is very unusual, and yet we embrace it - but when a little boy does something VERY normal like this, it's wrong. I honestly feel like I'm living in bizarro world.
If I have kids they are SOO going to get home-schooled for the first six or eight years - no way in hell I'd put my kids through this crap, and even I wouldn't be able to put up with this - I'd honestly be in the principals office severely admonishing them at least once a week.
Of course, this teacher really has the right of it.
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I honestly fear for the future, I honestly have no idea what this generation will turn out like - but I think that growing up today is massively different from when I was a kid, and I'm not sure that most of it really is for the benefit of the kids..
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03/03/2013 12:18:38 AM · #1094 |
Cory, the craziness you're talking about in the schools (and we're seeing a lot of it around here) isn't coming from ninny-parents freaking out, it's coming from school authorities themselves who seem to be scared to death that they will be held accountable for the next disaster. It's ridiculous what's going on, I completely agree with you, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with people taking a reasoned stance, pro or con, on gun control.
As for the "boy" in Colorado who wants to use the girls' restrooms, s/he's a transgendered child who was born a boy and identifies as a girl, and he's been using the girls' bathrooms for MONTHS without there being an issue. The ban came from the top down, for no apparent reason, and it even flies in the face of current Colorado law. |
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03/03/2013 12:35:34 AM · #1095 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Cory, the craziness you're talking about in the schools (and we're seeing a lot of it around here) isn't coming from ninny-parents freaking out, it's coming from school authorities themselves who seem to be scared to death that they will be held accountable for the next disaster. It's ridiculous what's going on, I completely agree with you, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with people taking a reasoned stance, pro or con, on gun control.
As for the "boy" in Colorado who wants to use the girls' restrooms, s/he's a transgendered child who was born a boy and identifies as a girl, and he's been using the girls' bathrooms for MONTHS without there being an issue. The ban came from the top down, for no apparent reason, and it even flies in the face of current Colorado law. |
Like I said - it's like living in Bizarro world. Granted, it's not DIRECTLY due to the parents, and reasonable gun control folks, nor is it directly due to any factor in truth - but add them all together, and we get this strange mix of shit that's leading us down this path.
I hate to sound old, but when I was a kid this was just so much simpler. There were 2 sexes, not eight or more like there are today (Male and female versions of each: Straight-Bi-Homosexual-Transgender)
Perhaps we can just put a restroom "Other" in the schools - oh wait - that'd be segregation, so that won't work either... FFS - this is madness.
And that whole thing is fairly understandable, and reasonable, when compared to the boy eating a pastry and getting suspended because it looked like a gun...
Is the whole world subject to this sort of madness, or is there somewhere that is still sane? (and of course, anywhere that religion is law is out for me - I'd be hung because I don't worship their brand of sky-god)...
It's strange to only be in your thirties and feel like a relic from a different age. |
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03/03/2013 03:27:20 AM · #1096 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Is the whole world subject to this sort of madness, or is there somewhere that is still sane? (and of course, anywhere that religion is law is out for me - I'd be hung because I don't worship their brand of sky-god)...
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We look to the US for real whackos |
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03/03/2013 03:25:32 PM · #1097 |
Man, oh man..
High school student suspended for stopping a gunman on a bus who was about to shoot his classmate.
What unbelievable shit. He was officially suspended for not cooperating with the investigation because he was afraid for his safety.
Bizarro world. Seriously. |
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03/03/2013 04:58:26 PM · #1098 |
And this is the sort of people we have as cops.
Sure, not all of them are bad, most are actually quite good folks, but the problem is that it takes exactly one bad one, defended by the good ones, to f-&k up your entire life.
This cop was pure wrong, and because he was a bully and average citizens are terrified of the police, he got away with it.
My point is that I'd rather not have to rely upon these folks as my only line of defense.
Message edited by author 2013-03-03 16:59:05. |
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03/03/2013 06:14:24 PM · #1099 |
Originally posted by Cory:
And this is the sort of people we have as cops.
Sure, not all of them are bad, most are actually quite good folks, but the problem is that it takes exactly one bad one, defended by the good ones, to f-&k up your entire life.
This cop was pure wrong, and because he was a bully and average citizens are terrified of the police, he got away with it.
My point is that I'd rather not have to rely upon these folks as my only line of defense. |
We must live in different worlds. Haven't needed a gun yet for protection. Where do you live, the ghetto part of Fort Knox? |
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03/03/2013 06:23:32 PM · #1100 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Cory:
And this is the sort of people we have as cops.
Sure, not all of them are bad, most are actually quite good folks, but the problem is that it takes exactly one bad one, defended by the good ones, to f-&k up your entire life.
This cop was pure wrong, and because he was a bully and average citizens are terrified of the police, he got away with it.
My point is that I'd rather not have to rely upon these folks as my only line of defense. |
We must live in different worlds. Haven't needed a gun yet for protection. Where do you live, the ghetto part of Fort Knox? |
I think you can easily find places that are dangerous pretty much anywhere.
I lived a life that forced me to be in those situations for many years - today it's really more that I simply don't give a shit - I'll go where I please, and I know that I can't always count on police protection.
Mind you - this video was shot on Las Vegas Blvd, so while that's kind of a bad area, it's really not at all that bad.
Besides, why should the people living in the ghetto be subject to mistreatment by the police? Do they somehow deserve this more than the rest of us, or is it just expected because it's perceived that the majority of scum comes from the ghetto (percentage wise it's not much worse than anywhere else by the way, maybe 50% more violent thugs at the most)? |
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