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12/11/2012 08:36:08 AM · #1 |
The results of the 'Free Study 2012-11' challenge have been recalculated, due to the disqualification of the former 1st place image for failing to provide a valid original during the required timeframe. Congrats to our new ribbon winners!
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12/11/2012 10:19:58 AM · #2 |
| That is a sad story. Sorry to hear this happen on a beautiful image. |
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12/11/2012 10:28:53 AM · #3 |
| I certainly miss it on the first page. |
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12/11/2012 11:36:10 AM · #4 |
| This is really sad. A reminder to everyone whose score is really good: if there is ANY possibility you will not be near your computer at rollover, do yourself a favor and submit the original early, just in case. |
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12/11/2012 11:46:55 AM · #5 |
I don't know what went wrong in this case, but it's so easy to make a silly mistake. I discovered yesterday that the time on my Olympus E-PL1 was half an hour fast. It wouldn't be likely to result in a DQ, but one can never be sure. I haven't even had the camera very long, so I'll have to keep an eye on the clock from now on.
It's so sad about this DQ. That was a wonderful image.
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12/11/2012 11:58:59 AM · #6 |
how awful! such a beautiful image.
I check my camera religiously now if I'm shooting for a challenge. I always think that it's set wrong, even though it never gets touched. lol |
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12/11/2012 12:09:10 PM · #7 |
| Until we hear from the image's author, this appears to be a failure to submit a valid original. Please correct me, if I'm wrong. |
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12/11/2012 12:42:09 PM · #8 |
| I have a silly question, does the judging panel notify you by PM or email? |
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12/11/2012 12:50:48 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by nygold:
I have a silly question, does the judging panel notify you by PM or email? |
Requests to submit an original for validation go by PM/email and are also posted on the left side of the Home page when you log in to DPC. The top five finishers get the request automatically at rollover. |
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12/11/2012 12:54:11 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by nygold:
I have a silly question, does the judging panel notify you by PM or email? |
You get an email, also every time you are on the main page there is a bright red message warning you that you need to submit proof. |
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12/11/2012 01:01:51 PM · #11 |
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12/11/2012 01:08:56 PM · #12 |
Hungarians are notorious for taking long travelling holidays in December. Maybe he's AFK.
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12/11/2012 01:19:37 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Hungarians are notorious for taking long travelling holidays in December. Maybe he's AFK. |
Is there a Hungarian word for incommunicado? |
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12/11/2012 01:26:03 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Hungarians are notorious for taking long travelling holidays in December. Maybe he's AFK. |
Is there a Hungarian word for incommunicado? |
érintkezési lehetoség nélkül
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12/11/2012 02:04:49 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Until we hear from the image's author, this appears to be a failure to submit a valid original. Please correct me, if I'm wrong. |
that's what I read...
that it wasn't received in the proper timeframe. :( |
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12/11/2012 02:23:42 PM · #16 |
Don't think so,  Denielle, if you read the comment with his DQ'd image it says:
" Files that have been saved or altered with any editing or transfer software are NOT originals. "
That normally means that an image was submitted but it is not an "original", it has been changed.
Originally posted by Denielle:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Until we hear from the image's author, this appears to be a failure to submit a valid original. Please correct me, if I'm wrong. |
that's what I read...
that it wasn't received in the proper timeframe. :( |
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12/11/2012 02:31:37 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by herfotoman:
Don't think so, Denielle, if you read the comment with his DQ'd image it says:
" Files that have been saved or altered with any editing or transfer software are NOT originals. "
That normally means that an image was submitted but it is not an "original", it has been changed. |
I've always had a problem with that ruling.
Someone in the know can take any image and modify all the information on it to say whatever and no one would be able to tell by looking at the file only. |
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12/11/2012 02:36:58 PM · #18 |
| my bad.. the word timeframe stuck in my head... forgot it said original |
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12/11/2012 02:39:50 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Venser:
I've always had a problem with that ruling.
Someone in the know can take any image and modify all the information on it to say whatever and no one would be able to tell by looking at the file only. |
The validation by SC is "not your average" inspection of exif data. That's all I know for sure. |
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12/11/2012 02:42:28 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by herfotoman:
Don't think so, Denielle, if you read the comment with his DQ'd image it says:
" Files that have been saved or altered with any editing or transfer software are NOT originals. "
That normally means that an image was submitted but it is not an "original", it has been changed.
Originally posted by Denielle:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Until we hear from the image's author, this appears to be a failure to submit a valid original. Please correct me, if I'm wrong. |
that's what I read...
that it wasn't received in the proper timeframe. :( |
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Apparently a valid original was not received in the allowed timeframe. The error message usually indicates a file which has been modified (often by "file-transfer" software, not editing) and is no longer considered a valid original.
The photographer may have done nothing wrong or "illegal" other than to use an unaccepable transfer method and then erase the original. We recommend using a card-reader and the computer's operating system to "drag-and-drop" the files to your hard drive. Personally, I also do not erase the camera card until I've made a CD/DVD backup from the hard drive.
FWIW you always have the option of uploading your original at the same time as your entry ... it is a good idea to do so if you thing it will be suspected of illegal editing, you will be away during or after the voting, or you feel pretty sure you'll get a high (top-ten) score ...
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12/11/2012 02:46:23 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by Venser:
I've always had a problem with that ruling.
Someone in the know can take any image and modify all the information on it to say whatever and no one would be able to tell by looking at the file only. |
The validation by SC is "not your average" inspection of exif data. That's all I know for sure. |
It wouldn't matter what inspection they do.
I'm half tempted to submit a photo with my Olympus but have all the EXIF say it's my Nikon, and ask for a validation on myself. I'm pretty sure it would pass whatever system they have implemented. Getting caught on the other hand is a ban from the site.
I guess we'll find out how confident I am in my abilities. |
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12/11/2012 03:00:43 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by Venser:
I've always had a problem with that ruling.
Someone in the know can take any image and modify all the information on it to say whatever and no one would be able to tell by looking at the file only. |
The validation by SC is "not your average" inspection of exif data. That's all I know for sure. |
It wouldn't matter what inspection they do.
I'm half tempted to submit a photo with my Olympus but have all the EXIF say it's my Nikon, and ask for a validation on myself. I'm pretty sure it would pass whatever system they have implemented. Getting caught on the other hand is a ban from the site.
I guess we'll find out how confident I am in my abilities. |
I remember a member doing that a few months, maybe a year ago. They thought they were clever enough, but the SC caught them and they were permanently banned. |
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12/11/2012 03:03:23 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by giantmike:
I remember a member doing that a few months, maybe a year ago. They thought they were clever enough, but the SC caught them and they were permanently banned. |
Again, I'm extremely confident in my abilities. I consider it a challenge in something I truly love, programming.
edit - Most camera companies have a data verification kit that generates a key and is stored within the RAW data. The viewer takes the data and manipulates it to something viewable. Modifying the EXIF data or the actual pixels is the easy part. The hard part is matching up the verification key to the data so they produce the same numbers. It's a matter of reverse engineering the one to line up with the other. It's not that hard if you're into math and programming.
It's also why soon enough digital photographs won't/shouldn't be allowed in the courtroom.
Message edited by author 2012-12-11 15:10:03. |
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12/11/2012 03:10:09 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by giantmike:
I remember a member doing that a few months, maybe a year ago. They thought they were clever enough, but the SC caught them and they were permanently banned. |
Again, I'm extremely confident in my abilities. I consider it a challenge in something I truly love, programming. |
No good can come of this other than to possibly massage your ego. |
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12/11/2012 03:16:30 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by giantmike:
I remember a member doing that a few months, maybe a year ago. They thought they were clever enough, but the SC caught them and they were permanently banned. |
Again, I'm extremely confident in my abilities. I consider it a challenge in something I truly love, programming. |
No good can come of this other than to possibly massage your ego. |
Often times that's all the convincing I need to proceed forward.
I see others have tried and failed. Eventually someone will pass. Then it would show a flaw on your end. |
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