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11/23/2012 09:16:20 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Cory:
Just bought a Google Nexus 10 and a Asus Transformer..
I think both are great choices. |
You should make a YouTube video and do dual review and comparison for me. Get on it! |
Considering that between me, my girlfriend and my father, we have 2 transformers (1 300 series, 1 700), a Google Nexus 7 and Nexus 10, a Blackberry Playbook, and an iPad 2 I think I could do quite the review. Unfortunately I'm shy. |
You could wear a leaf mask.
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11/23/2012 02:40:06 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
I have a thrive, its nice for the external attachments, but that's about it. The processor is just too slow. |
let me back up here. i actually took the time and upgraded the tablet to Ice Cream sandwich and change the launcher. Holy cow what a difference. its snappy, doesn't lag, scrolls smooth... i would actually recommend this thing now. |
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11/23/2012 04:34:37 PM · #28 |
I'm actually quite tempted by this: //www.nabitablet.com
It's a kids android tablet, but has some power under the hood. Not bad for €200 |
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11/23/2012 07:10:09 PM · #29 |
| if you get an android make sure you get one from a company that is reliable for updates. i just got ICS for mine. unless you plan to root it, you will be at the mercy of the hardware manufacturer for updates. |
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11/23/2012 07:44:46 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
if you get an android make sure you get one from a company that is reliable for updates. i just got ICS for mine. unless you plan to root it, you will be at the mercy of the hardware manufacturer for updates. |
yes it will be important to be able to update to Jelly bean too and you will see an even better performance increase and smoothness than Ice Cream Sandwich... just waiting for my carrier to release jeally bean on my Samsung Galaxy SIII and it'll be flying even quicker than it is and just much quicker than iphone.. ;o) |
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11/23/2012 07:56:55 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by GAP2012:
Originally posted by mike_311:
if you get an android make sure you get one from a company that is reliable for updates. i just got ICS for mine. unless you plan to root it, you will be at the mercy of the hardware manufacturer for updates. |
yes it will be important to be able to update to Jelly bean too and you will see an even better performance increase and smoothness than Ice Cream Sandwich... just waiting for my carrier to release jeally bean on my Samsung Galaxy SIII and it'll be flying even quicker than it is and just much quicker than iphone.. ;o) |
im waiting as well. i hate that the carriers can hold up the updates. in fact my carrier, in the last firmware, disabled rooting, no one has been able top crack it yet.
so here is sit patiently waiting for Jellybean on a phone i paid for and continue to pay for. |
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11/23/2012 10:18:32 PM · #32 |
Yep, a good brand should be able to provide reliable updates to your device. I love my galaxy s phone, the vefy very first galaxy s model. But sad to say Samsung totally abandoned it. The official software it came out with was android 2.0. It claimed to be upgradable to 2.1 but Kies won't even recognize it. I brought it to samsung shop and finally they told me that the update may have been a false claim.
Now I'm not a fan of rooting so I let it be. But over the few months that followed, android updates have sprung up in quick successions. Most apps now require 2.3 and above to run. Flipboard, 500px, instagram, etc simply won't install. Some new apps managed to install but the phoned crawled miserably.
The phone was kept in my drawer for almost a year.
Then two months ago, I read that it could be updated to 2.3 but only if I root it. So I did. I found it amazing that the same hardware almost doubled in speed by simply updating its software.
Now here's what i later found out: The same galaxy s hardware, with its processor upped to dual core and camera given a few more megapixels, was repackaged to become the galaxy nexus! Same circuitry inside, my three year old galaxy was theoretically updatable to jellybean.
And yes it is. Three days into 2.3, I was able to update to 4.1. Last Wednesday, xdadev released 4.2. The nexus is still at 4.1 :)
What a difference 4.2 made. I now have two dozen apps in my running apps list and it still won't lag.
So the bottom line, it would be nice if the brand you choose provides you with official updates. Otherwise, rooting becomes a necessity.
Similarly, I plan to keep my iPad iOS genuine, but so far I have not found a way for my eye-fi SD cards to work with it so I may jailbreak it soon.
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11/27/2012 08:50:42 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by LandzEnca:
Yep, a good brand should be able to provide reliable updates to your device. I love my galaxy s phone, the vefy very first galaxy s model. But sad to say Samsung totally abandoned it. The official software it came out with was android 2.0. It claimed to be upgradable to 2.1 but Kies won't even recognize it. I brought it to samsung shop and finally they told me that the update may have been a false claim.
Now I'm not a fan of rooting so I let it be. But over the few months that followed, android updates have sprung up in quick successions. Most apps now require 2.3 and above to run. Flipboard, 500px, instagram, etc simply won't install. Some new apps managed to install but the phoned crawled miserably.
The phone was kept in my drawer for almost a year.
Then two months ago, I read that it could be updated to 2.3 but only if I root it. So I did. I found it amazing that the same hardware almost doubled in speed by simply updating its software.
Now here's what i later found out: The same galaxy s hardware, with its processor upped to dual core and camera given a few more megapixels, was repackaged to become the galaxy nexus! Same circuitry inside, my three year old galaxy was theoretically updatable to jellybean.
And yes it is. Three days into 2.3, I was able to update to 4.1. Last Wednesday, xdadev released 4.2. The nexus is still at 4.1 :)
What a difference 4.2 made. I now have two dozen apps in my running apps list and it still won't lag.
So the bottom line, it would be nice if the brand you choose provides you with official updates. Otherwise, rooting becomes a necessity.
Similarly, I plan to keep my iPad iOS genuine, but so far I have not found a way for my eye-fi SD cards to work with it so I may jailbreak it soon. |
the problem with IOS is its getting hungrier on battery and resources and android getting faster and leaner and is much more configurable.. upgrading to IOS 6 will drain your battery by 40% and it isnt worth it, where as your samsung is indeed still impressive hardware and upgradeable when you root it.. and shows the power of these devices in comparison to iProducts..
as for manufacturers updates, usually they are conservative and its the manufacturers and the phone providers who are holding up the updates and saying what is and isnt stable for majority of people and theyre android platform, the people doing the conversions obviously find a way that takes too long, is either buggy or can be unstable for a specific hardware, or in which some apps wont behave as theyre supposed to. but thats the choice we make as users of that :O)
i dont believe the nexus is the same hardware, the two phones were created in parallel but the nexus was specifially built for google as the flagship so im not sure your source is correct on the nexus and if you root the nexus im sure you can update to any version of android you want too in future... and yes jellybean is something to be proud of having its deliciously quick and the voice recognition/speach is right on the phone no internet needed.. try that on an IOS iProduct...siri lmao.. and they still claim they had siri before anyone else.. more apple BS ;o)
thanks for your update Landz :O)
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11/27/2012 08:59:20 PM · #34 |
Just got the Nexus 10. Comparing to the Asus Transformer Infinity, I've gotta say that this is a major hardware upgrade, and is everything I had dreamed it would be, but for the sake of all that is good and right, install Firefox and the desktop-always-request plugin, so you can actually USE that crazy 2560X1600 resolution.,
Otherwise it's just BLAZING fast, I couldn't be happier, and it feels great in the hand, plus it does seem to have a fine battery life.
The ASUS still leaves me drooling over the mouse and keyboard. Seriously can't wait for the Surface Pro to drop. |
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11/27/2012 09:03:26 PM · #35 |
| Not sure what "hungrier on the battery" means when my ipad mini lasts for days and days beyond my Xoom android tablet.... without recharge, it handles saving power while asleep so much better than my android tablet. I am selling my Xoom 4g on Craigslist right now, android is fun for a time until you realize you need to convert everything for it to read all your media. If you have an iTunes account, movies, tv shows and the like ipad mini is great I am blasting this paragraph out with my thumbs on mine right now... I like the size vs the larger model because of the ergonomics for typing, browsing, and playing little games. I used to be an android tablet guy, I lauded how much more free and unopressed I was and trash talked the ipad, until I bought the retina one for my wife.... game over. Now my Xoom collects dust waiting for the Craigslist offer I can't refuse... and I have the mini, it's so much better to use in every way. But don't take my word for it, I'm sure someone will inundate you with technical data :) good luck and have fun with whatever you chose to get! |
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11/27/2012 09:18:41 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by ShutterRev:
android is fun for a time until you realize you need to convert everything for it to read all your media. If you have an iTunes account, movies, tv shows .... |
ROFL! |
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11/27/2012 09:26:52 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by ShutterRev:
android is fun for a time until you realize you need to convert everything for it to read all your media. If you have an iTunes account, movies, tv shows .... |
ROFL! |
It's OK Cory, I too was once an Android only kind of person. Until I bought myself an iPhone 5 and played with the new iPads with Retina display. I've sold all Android devices in the house and feel like such an "Apple sheep" doing it. But honestly they just work and so do the apps. I'm sold on them.
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11/27/2012 09:33:55 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by ShutterRev:
android is fun for a time until you realize you need to convert everything for it to read all your media. If you have an iTunes account, movies, tv shows .... |
ROFL! |
It's OK Cory, I too was once an Android only kind of person. Until I bought myself an iPhone 5 and played with the new iPads with Retina display. I've sold all Android devices in the house and feel like such an "Apple sheep" doing it. But honestly they just work and so do the apps. I'm sold on them.
Matt |
*shrug* I was just laughing at the pure irony of talking about a need to convert, then mentioning iTunes, which is by all measures, a conversion program that is ABSOLUTELY required for apple stuff.
Apple has a great ecosystem, tons of amazing tablet apps, great consistency.
What they don't have is an open format, and a few other policies I disagree with... Effectively, I don't care how great the car is, don't weld the darn hood shut.
Oh, and that Nexus has higher resolution than the latest Apple pad. ;) |
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11/27/2012 09:43:50 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by JH:
I think I'm underestimating how important the 'content platform' is.
Having an iMac and an iPod, I already have an investment in iTunes and apps from the store. |
There's your answer, not just for existing content, but also for ease of use and interoperability. iPads and Android tablets are roughly similar, but the difference in functionality when you already have an iMac is significant. With an iPad, it'll be easy to sync and manipulate music, photos and files with your iMac, and you'll have a much wider range of quality apps and 3rd party devices to make the most of it. The iPhoto app is particularly useful and there's very tight integration with cloud services for email, backup, etc. The hardware and user interface is more refined, there's less malware, and you're more likely to be supported with future OS updates.
That said, I didn't see you mention what you want to DO with a tablet. If it's only for reading eBooks, then you're better off with an e-ink based Kindle. If it's for frequent web browsing or a portable portfolio, then you'll want a full size tablet (the iPad's Retina display is NICE). For games and portability, a 7' tablet or iPad mini would be the way to go. |
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11/27/2012 09:57:25 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Oh, and that Nexus has higher resolution than the latest Apple pad. ;) |
Sure, but since the resolution of both is higher than the human eye can resolve at normal viewing distances, who cares? The Nexus does not have 3G or 4G connectivity, and the apps lag far behind those available for the iPad in both quantity and quality. |
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11/27/2012 10:15:39 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Cory:
Oh, and that Nexus has higher resolution than the latest Apple pad. ;) |
Sure, but since the resolution of both is higher than the human eye can resolve at normal viewing distances, who cares? The Nexus does not have 3G or 4G connectivity, and the apps lag far behind those available for the iPad in both quantity and quality. |
most apps that are produced come on both platforms so there is no lag! its the apple marketing machine that plays on your preference and also plays a big part in locking you to proprietry apps. like itunes! |
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11/27/2012 10:33:22 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by ShutterRev:
Not sure what "hungrier on the battery" means when my ipad mini lasts for days and days beyond my Xoom android tablet.... without recharge, it handles saving power while asleep so much better than my android tablet. I am selling my Xoom 4g on Craigslist right now, android is fun for a time until you realize you need to convert everything for it to read all your media. If you have an iTunes account, movies, tv shows and the like ipad mini is great I am blasting this paragraph out with my thumbs on mine right now... I like the size vs the larger model because of the ergonomics for typing, browsing, and playing little games. I used to be an android tablet guy, I lauded how much more free and unopressed I was and trash talked the ipad, until I bought the retina one for my wife.... game over. Now my Xoom collects dust waiting for the Craigslist offer I can't refuse... and I have the mini, it's so much better to use in every way. But don't take my word for it, I'm sure someone will inundate you with technical data :) good luck and have fun with whatever you chose to get! |
thats your choice and that was your choice re-Xoom... your talking old tech and by comparison the new androids are much better and can out perform the iProducts, and thats just a reality. good for you for deciding on Apple thats great if it works for you! personally my Galaxys SIII is much better allround and thats being seen out there by many millions of people choosing it for its worth not its marketing skill...
as for media, i have no problem with media and like it was said previously itunes is a conversion database program and ive found it has issues with some content and media and it also locks you into apples way of doing things and is as painful to use as it always has been.. not all the time but painful enough!
if you havent seen the newer android alternatives to apple tv and apple products you'll discover theres a new world opening up with content and sharing that content that apple lags behind as it does in other ways now.. it was leading its own charge for a while but its now falling behind and thats why they are going down the legal process at this time because they know they dont have the majority anymore and will become a minor player now, and especially when the asian markets gain more ground you will see even better and andvanced devices from those markets and all on android because its open platform, and apple needs those markets to provide its tech to make its toys! thats the way its heading...
you only have to look at apples decisions to exclude NFC as a sign of its unwillingness to see some standards that work and emerging as clearly useful, but their arrogance like Microsoft is proving them to be too closed and its not going to help. Yes they have Retina display and battery life, but an iPhone running IOS 6 does lose 40% of its battery operating time, its well documented and iphone lasts a day and so does my samsung sIII so its no different, im glad people like their apples good for them, but gone are the days when apple fans could gloat about battery, retina and other things as the reason to choose it again... its simply not worth the extra money and or being locked down by a company whose morals and ethics are questionable now... if your happy with their marketing and products thats great :O)
Message edited by author 2012-11-27 22:33:46. |
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11/27/2012 10:37:48 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by GAP2012:
most apps that are produced come on both platforms so there is no lag! |
Incorrect. As of April there were 140,000 more apps available on the Apple store vs. Android market, and a vastly higher percentage of the Apple-based apps are designed for high resolution tablets since Android didn't have a viable market for tablets until very recently and developers were therefore focused on phones. Even when apps are available on both platforms, the Apple versions tend to be more refined. See for yourself. |
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11/27/2012 10:47:38 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by GAP2012:
you only have to look at apples decisions to exclude NFC as a sign of its unwillingness to see some standards that work and emerging as clearly useful, but their arrogance like Microsoft is proving them to be too closed and its not going to help... |
Also incorrect, but it's obvious you're working from animosity rather than actual information. |
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11/27/2012 10:49:06 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by GAP2012:
most apps that are produced come on both platforms so there is no lag! |
Incorrect. As of April there were 140,000 more apps available on the Apple store vs. Android market, and a vastly higher percentage of the Apple-based apps are designed for high resolution tablets since Android didn't have a viable market for tablets until very recently and developers were therefore focused on phones. Even when apps are available on both platforms, the Apple versions tend to be more refined. See for yourself. |
a lot of those apps are old, pretty much all new apps are typically being developed for both platforms and perform no differently, and yes tablets in android are later starting out as was android itself a late comer and this is always the response people give in favour of apple... you can quote articles all you like... it doesnt detract from the truth that all the big apps and new apps are typically being produced for both platforms and even Microsofts as a third... and there are more androids out there than apples its just facts... you dont need to search too far to know that.. pure numbers alone.. let alone how many were pre-ordered making it the largest pre-order of an electronic device ever for the galaxy sIII.. and that wasn't from existing samsung owners like apple has...
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11/27/2012 10:53:29 PM · #46 |
I have a Kindle Fire (original) and it's a bit small and heavy but otherwise, it's ok. Great for reading, but I personally find the smaller tablets too small for browsing the web. (I don't have a smartphone for that reason, and a bunch of others.)
But what I'd want is a tablet that would let me offload my memory cards...so I don't need a laptop. Otherwise, I'd be traveling with everything. A memory slot (SD) and a USB connection to a hard drive would be super...then you could basically transfer and browse your files (and maybe even do minor editing). I don't understand why EVERY tablet doesn't do that. But especially Apple, given the focus they have on photography and film.
Until I find the right one, I'll just stay with my convertible laptop (HP TM2) It's a bit heavy compared to a tablet, but it's not much bigger (well, it's thicker). And not I have win8 on it, so it got some newness to it. But I would love to see the same functionality in a thinner and lighter form factor. We'll see how the surface pro is. But it would be nice for Apple and Samsung to come to the party.
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11/27/2012 11:00:29 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Neil:
I have a Kindle Fire (original) and it's a bit small and heavy but otherwise, it's ok. Great for reading, but I personally find the smaller tablets too small for browsing the web. (I don't have a smartphone for that reason, and a bunch of others.)
But what I'd want is a tablet that would let me offload my memory cards...so I don't need a laptop. Otherwise, I'd be traveling with everything. A memory slot (SD) and a USB connection to a hard drive would be super...then you could basically transfer and browse your files (and maybe even do minor editing). I don't understand why EVERY tablet doesn't do that. But especially Apple, given the focus they have on photography and film.
Until I find the right one, I'll just stay with my convertible laptop (HP TM2) It's a bit heavy compared to a tablet, but it's not much bigger (well, it's thicker). And not I have win8 on it, so it got some newness to it. But I would love to see the same functionality in a thinner and lighter form factor. We'll see how the surface pro is. But it would be nice for Apple and Samsung to come to the party. |
with the samsung new pad 10" you can get a samsung made adapter for both usb and SD cards that slot into its interface and give you the option to use those storage devices, i have seen them and the new pad and its great.. but go have a look and play with it and other devices including the ipad etc and see if its for you.. dont rely on marketing and ask questions and if you get misleading information, checkout whirlpool and other sites for tech advice or what problems and resolutions there are... and that will help a bit.. thats what i would suggest.. and kindle and other readers like it are perfect for ebooks and will last much longer on battery and are perfect for what they are no question on that...
i hope that and other information is/was useful regardless... :O) happy computing :O) |
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11/27/2012 11:21:10 PM · #48 |
I regularly offload my sd cards from my d7000 to my ipad via the simple sd card reader plug I bought with the ipad, no hacks or software required... Downloads straight to the gallery and you have photoshop to go and iPhoto just to name a couple to tinker with your images... Otherwise leave them in the gallery for safe keeping and wipe the memory card from your ipad... Easy day, I do it all the time.
Originally posted by Neil:
I have a Kindle Fire (original) and it's a bit small and heavy but otherwise, it's ok. Great for reading, but I personally find the smaller tablets too small for browsing the web. (I don't have a smartphone for that reason, and a bunch of others.)
But what I'd want is a tablet that would let me offload my memory cards...so I don't need a laptop. Otherwise, I'd be traveling with everything. A memory slot (SD) and a USB connection to a hard drive would be super...then you could basically transfer and browse your files (and maybe even do minor editing). I don't understand why EVERY tablet doesn't do that. But especially Apple, given the focus they have on photography and film.
Until I find the right one, I'll just stay with my convertible laptop (HP TM2) It's a bit heavy compared to a tablet, but it's not much bigger (well, it's thicker). And not I have win8 on it, so it got some newness to it. But I would love to see the same functionality in a thinner and lighter form factor. We'll see how the surface pro is. But it would be nice for Apple and Samsung to come to the party. |
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11/28/2012 12:48:58 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by GAP2012:
Originally posted by Neil:
I have a Kindle Fire (original) and it's a bit small and heavy but otherwise, it's ok. Great for reading, but I personally find the smaller tablets too small for browsing the web. (I don't have a smartphone for that reason, and a bunch of others.)
But what I'd want is a tablet that would let me offload my memory cards...so I don't need a laptop. Otherwise, I'd be traveling with everything. A memory slot (SD) and a USB connection to a hard drive would be super...then you could basically transfer and browse your files (and maybe even do minor editing). I don't understand why EVERY tablet doesn't do that. But especially Apple, given the focus they have on photography and film.
Until I find the right one, I'll just stay with my convertible laptop (HP TM2) It's a bit heavy compared to a tablet, but it's not much bigger (well, it's thicker). And not I have win8 on it, so it got some newness to it. But I would love to see the same functionality in a thinner and lighter form factor. We'll see how the surface pro is. But it would be nice for Apple and Samsung to come to the party. |
with the samsung new pad 10" you can get a samsung made adapter for both usb and SD cards that slot into its interface and give you the option to use those storage devices, i have seen them and the new pad and its great.. but go have a look and play with it and other devices including the ipad etc and see if its for you.. dont rely on marketing and ask questions and if you get misleading information, checkout whirlpool and other sites for tech advice or what problems and resolutions there are... and that will help a bit.. thats what i would suggest.. and kindle and other readers like it are perfect for ebooks and will last much longer on battery and are perfect for what they are no question on that...
i hope that and other information is/was useful regardless... :O) happy computing :O) |
Works like a champ with the Nexus 10 too.. |
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11/28/2012 04:49:17 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
That said, I didn't see you mention what you want to DO with a tablet. If it's only for reading eBooks, then you're better off with an e-ink based Kindle. If it's for frequent web browsing or a portable portfolio, then you'll want a full size tablet (the iPad's Retina display is NICE). For games and portability, a 7' tablet or iPad mini would be the way to go. |
It was in my first post;
Originally posted by JH:
I'm looking for a device for casual browsing, email, games, music, movies, and some reading |
Having thought about it, I already have a Kindle which I love. The battery life and display are amazing, it's the perfect reading device, so I doubt I'll replace it with a tablet for reading.
tbh, I didn't expect this thread to turn into the old 'mac versus pc' debate (same debate just different players, I can never figure out why people are so loyal to their brands)
The reality is both Google and Apple and Amazon all want to make some money, they're not charities. Google is doing it off the back of advertising, Apple and Amazon are doing it off the back of content (Microsoft haven't figured out what they're doing yet) - For the content piece to be viable, they have to have lock-in.
And lock-in doesn't bother me. I like to have the 'hood welded shut' on certain devices, including my car. If it means I have a smooth and integrated user experience that makes it easy for me to access the content I want, paid or not, then I really don't care who's providing it or what their DRM strategy is or who's taking who to court over it. |
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