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11/21/2012 09:41:48 AM · #76 |
I am posting this in here too because my other thread most likely will get buried again before too long and I want some disscussion on this. And just for the off chance that Langdon is actually reading this thread here goes:
The problem I see with my Need help? get help list, is that it is going to get buried, and then won't do any good anymore. I wish there was a tab at the top instead of the league tab(which has become worthless) or like the league tab. Where members could add their names and specialties. Then new comers or even those who have been around awhile could look at it and know who to PM when we need help with a specific question. Make it so members could add their names or take them away on their own. That way someones name won't stay on the list forever if they have moved on.
I also wish the front page forums list was a bit different. It needs to be longer and also have a number system at the bottom so you can click back through previous threads. Sometimes I will see a thread then hit refresh or click on another thread first and it has already been buried. If the forums are busy a thread can get buried in a matter of minutes. Once a thread is buried it is really hard to find you have to know either the author or the category it was put under to find it in the main forum list.
I guess doing stuff to help this site on our own only goes so far. We really need a paid and active web site manager. |
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11/21/2012 09:43:54 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by GAP2012:
[quote=RKT] [quote=bohemka] [quote=sjhuls]
maybe members also need to reflect creativity and change in the mass appeal and look at how they rate pictures themself as well, everyone needs to review their way of doing things, rulebooks are there for composition and technical aspects but great photos need not be about those things? throw the rule book out and your notions of what constitutes a good photo, re-evaluation is key to moving forward? i do see a lot of very similar phots and threads running through the site and it is a bit depressing at times to see the same thing over and over among the photos and the threads... shake it up...people not just the site but your own values likes and dislikes and what is a photo and what is art and what is true to the challenge and true to yourself we are not sheep, and the world is very boring and mass produced blandness and DPC is reflecting that on some level... but above all that i see some real glimpses of the future here but im naming no names... just shake it, give positive feedback, dont judge others photos as you would everything else... i hope im being understood lolal...
its all just thoughts for the dinner table... ;O) |
As much as I didn't like your first part of your post :-), I really like this part.
I have no idea how one would go about doing this, but yes, I would love to grow in my appreciation of photography, and art. Perhaps have a *few* much tighter defined challenges?
Or have you got more constructive ideas how to achieve this? Its hard to grow in your own right wthout guidance ...
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11/21/2012 09:50:53 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by sjhuls:
The problem I see with my Need help? get help list, is that it is going to get buried, and then won't do any good anymore. I wish there was a tab at the top instead of the league tab(which has become worthless) or like the league tab. [/b] |
I am not sure why you feel so strongly about this.
I have asked questions on the forum from the most "ridiculous" (didn't know how to get my image to show in a post) to far more technical and have always, always always had almost instantaneous replies and often (always?) others have chimed in and given their side, or explained it differently, so even *I* would get it :-).
The same when I asked members through PM about their images/techniques. I have always had very kind replies.
I don't say *don't* install a button, I just think this option is available already on DPC ... just ask :-).
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11/21/2012 10:04:30 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by kasaba:
Originally posted by sjhuls:
The problem I see with my Need help? get help list, is that it is going to get buried, and then won't do any good anymore. I wish there was a tab at the top instead of the league tab(which has become worthless) or like the league tab. [/b] |
I am not sure why you feel so strongly about this.
I have asked questions on the forum from the most "ridiculous" (didn't know how to get my image to show in a post) to far more technical and have always, always always had almost instantaneous replies and often (always?) others have chimed in and given their side, or explained it differently, so even *I* would get it :-).
The same when I asked members through PM about their images/techniques. I have always had very kind replies.
I don't say *don't* install a button, I just think this option is available already on DPC ... just ask :-). |
I feel strongly about it because this is the way I have met and established my most meaningful relationships on DPC. Some get what they need from the forums and that is great. But others like my self find the forums lacking and want more one on one kind of help. |
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11/21/2012 10:18:03 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by sjhuls:
I am posting this in here too because my other thread most likely will get buried again before too long and I want some disscussion on this. And just for the off chance that Langdon is actually reading this thread here goes:
The problem I see with my Need help? get help list, is that it is going to get buried, and then won't do any good anymore. I wish there was a tab at the top instead of the league tab(which has become worthless) or like the league tab. Where members could add their names and specialties. Then new comers or even those who have been around awhile could look at it and know who to PM when we need help with a specific question. Make it so members could add their names or take them away on their own. That way someones name won't stay on the list forever if they have moved on.
I also wish the front page forums list was a bit different. It needs to be longer and also have a number system at the bottom so you can click back through previous threads. Sometimes I will see a thread then hit refresh or click on another thread first and it has already been buried. If the forums are busy a thread can get buried in a matter of minutes. Once a thread is buried it is really hard to find you have to know either the author or the category it was put under to find it in the main forum list.
I guess doing stuff to help this site on our own only goes so far. We really need a paid and active web site manager. |
maybe you can get them to make it both a sticky post (like these) and have it included on the community projects page |
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11/21/2012 10:29:11 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Solution - Get rid of that goofy "Get Satisfaction" website. Good grief... That site worked for about a week, then no one ever went on it... |
At very least, put a link to it somewhere obvious, like on the home page just above / below the forum activity section. |
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11/21/2012 11:13:18 AM · #82 |
| I believe I lost interest in DPChallenge because very little here interests me anymore. The two camera systems I own ( and love) get very little play in these forums. The Olympus OMD-5 is owned by 15 users here, and the Panasonic GH-2 is owned by 10 users. I've moved on to Mu-43...a Micro Four Thirds user group that keeps me interested, and I learn something new everyday!! I would have loved to have seen a micro four thirds forum here, etc... |
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11/21/2012 11:22:34 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by dagaleaa:
I would have loved to have seen a micro four thirds forum here, etc... |
So why didn't you start one? DPCers start obscure camera/ lens type threads all the time - pinhole, expired film, etc.
ETA - honestly, I think another reason DPCers are leaving is people constantly posting that they're leaving. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. We are herd animals, and if people we consider "leaders" express an opinion, we tend to follow suit, even if we don't wholeheartedly subscribe to that opinion.
ET further A, the preponderance of non-critical, feel good-only comments sites has really made folks here incredibly thin-skinned about constructive criticism (even when positively expressed), and less than stellar scores. I already post on Flickr and FB, where I get my dose of flattery and back patting. I come here for more honest feedback. So I'm staying put. Could DPC use some changes? Absolutely. But none of the suggestions discussed here are make-it-or-break-it for me.
Message edited by author 2012-11-21 11:33:13. |
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11/21/2012 11:29:45 AM · #84 |
Forums dedicated to camera type, 4/3, P&S, SLR, Bridge Cams, etc might be an idea.
Perhaps that can be placed on the future improvements list... |:-/
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11/21/2012 11:30:17 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by dagaleaa:
I believe I lost interest in DPChallenge because very little here interests me anymore. The two camera systems I own ( and love) get very little play in these forums. The Olympus OMD-5 is owned by 15 users here, and the Panasonic GH-2 is owned by 10 users. I've moved on to Mu-43...a Micro Four Thirds user group that keeps me interested, and I learn something new everyday!! I would have loved to have seen a micro four thirds forum here, etc... |
That's a shame because in my opinion this forum is a zillion times better. |
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11/21/2012 11:37:02 AM · #86 |
hmmm
i've just(week or two ago .. ) rejoined after a 2-3 year hiatus
forums looks the same / same questions - some the same people /same gripes
participation varied from challenge to challenge
i dropped DPC when it became 'all' about the league play & most of the forum was about that
(IMO ZZZzzzzz...
& not very inclusive {if you are wondering where the people went this may be a clue ...})
i am back now because, i'm a bit stuck & need some inspiration & to think about things & dmn it, i like DPC ...
if you need a change / give it a rest for a while - it doesn't hurt to take a step back
i'll go back to lurking the forums & taking pictures ... |
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11/21/2012 11:37:09 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
ET further A, the preponderance of non-critical, feel good-only comments sites has really made folks here incredibly thin-skinned about constructive criticism (even when positively expressed), and less than stellar scores. I already post on Flickr and FB, where I get my dose of flattery and back patting. I come here for more honest feedback. So I'm staying put. Could DPC use some changes? |
Completely agree.
Some members can't differentiate between negative criticism towards an image and negative criticism towards the photographer.
I personally think more negative criticism would help so many people, myself included. I love knowing what doesn't work, and why. If you don't like the subject of my photo, let me know. Same with composition, lighting, whatever. |
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11/21/2012 12:00:30 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by Venser:
I personally think more negative criticism would help so many people, myself included. I love knowing what doesn't work, and why. If you don't like the subject of my photo, let me know. Same with composition, lighting, whatever. |
I personally DO NOT wish to receive such feedback. The dislike of certain subjects is very subjective and does not equate to constructive criticism. If this site had ANY IMPROVEMENTS FINALLY implemented (Get Satisfaction!!) I wish it were the NO PERSONAL VIEWS type comments button, or a button called CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM WELCOME. |
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11/21/2012 12:15:27 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by Venser:
I personally think more negative criticism would help so many people, myself included. I love knowing what doesn't work, and why. If you don't like the subject of my photo, let me know. Same with composition, lighting, whatever. |
I personally DO NOT wish to receive such feedback. The dislike of certain subjects is very subjective and does not equate to constructive criticism. If this site had ANY IMPROVEMENTS FINALLY implemented (Get Satisfaction!!) I wish it were the NO PERSONAL VIEWS type comments button, or a button called CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM WELCOME. |
I suppose it wouldn't be harmful to "lock" your photo from comments...
but... it seems that its a bit ridiculous to do such a thing.
if you don't want comments, don't post them. otherwise, learn to accept that part of life.
JMO |
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11/21/2012 12:22:56 PM · #90 |
ok, the bandwagon's comin my way, time to hop on and go for the ride.
For those saying that "we" need to do something to fix the site, you're right and wrong in my opinion. We can behave better, but there are still some major issues at play here.
I came here last year to learn and grow - which i've done. I now look at every image i take and give it a dpc-critique. Most time i trash my own images to the point that it frustrates me that i know it'll tank here and my wife and friends wonder what's so wrong with an obviously "good enough for your average person" image. I always want it to be better, to "break 6.0" (which i have yet to do despite having some images that many people have agreed should have broken the line).
Problem: Comparison voting
People have now been so visually assaulted with pretty pictures that they take anything they see and compare it to the pretty pictures they see everywhere. Scores on here reflect this - DNMC but pretty = high marks. Meets criteria but is not "OMG WOWZORS!! THATS SO AWESUM!!!" and you get a 4.x or 5.
Solution: Lobotomize the voting community?
Seriously, people just need to stop comparing apples to HD photoshopped oranges. Take a picture you're voting on. Look at it. Know the challenge description/theme. Compare image to challenge. Vote on the image (or the whole collection of images as a subset and rank them), but stop just giving 7/8/9 votes to an "HD orange" image that's entered into a "action sports" challenge.
Problem 2: every challenge is a free-study
People treat every challenge as a free study and submit non-sensical entries to it because they can't be bothered shooting the theme, or don't like the theme so they'll submit something they do like.
Solution: Don't treat all challenges as a free-study. Period. Shoot on-topic or shoot artistically van gogh-ish related to the topic, but shoot for the challenge and treat this like it was your job.
Solution 2: give the option of a DNMC meaning something. we can report on rules violations, have DNMC treated the same and bump up a few new bodies onto SC to handle the increase (temporary that it will be) in tickets. If you get 2 DNMC disqualifications in one week, you're going to very quickly start shooting on topic.
Message edited by author 2012-11-21 12:23:41. |
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11/21/2012 12:24:02 PM · #91 |
On the comments thing...I personally like recieving comments and look sorward to them...There are the pretty annoying comments like "sucks" or my fav that I have recieved "?!?!?!?!"....now what does that mean. If a pic is bad tell me why it is bad or same thing if someone really likes it tell me why.
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11/21/2012 12:28:19 PM · #92 |
as for getting comments - grow a pair and write what you think. it's the internet, not small-town-ville where everybody relies on everybody else so you can't risk offending someone over something small.
Don't like my image? Tell me - it'll give me honest feedback - but be specific. "didn't like lighting." "didn't like composition - could try the following in the future".
Like others, i have some things on facebook for friends and family to appreciate and give me the fluffy love comments, i came here (like MAAAAANY others) to learn about photography, so if you know something you think others could benefit from, SHARE IT. Worst case scenario, someone quits. doesn't happen often and that's on the person quitting for whatever reason. if you're in a competition you have to expect people to not like something about your entry, that's part of life and competing.
most likely scenario - THEY GROW AND LEARN (or at least just don't check the 'comment was helpful' box).
Message edited by author 2012-11-21 12:29:51. |
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11/21/2012 12:28:42 PM · #93 |
| Margaret, you may just be the only person on DPC who feels this way, as most people here express a desire to receive any sort of feedback. so I don't think imposing this "fix" would be an improvement for the rest of DPCers. It also makes me wonder why you returned here, since there are plenty of other sites where you can display your images and receive only "positive" comments; you already know that this is not how DPC operates. I am genuinely curious. By entering the main challenges you know going in that the image will be critiqued and compared to other images. Sometimes you do well, sometimes not as well. It's the nature of this particular beast. Why not just enter side challenges, which are mostly fun, supportive, and a great source for that type of commenting? DPC is one of the last places left where people will tell you what they think, and not just what you want to hear. I'd like to keep it that way. |
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11/21/2012 12:31:42 PM · #94 |
If you can't stand the heat, gtfo of the kitchen.
Really, the comments are something that you MUST welcome, along with the low scores.
You're not entering challenges here to be coddled and loved on, you're here to compete and to learn. That's advanced far more rapidly and healthily when people are open to every comment, and every score, and recognize that each has great value, as they ARE the opinion of the voters, which is exactly the measure that your photos are, and should be, judged by.
That's the BIG improvement I want to see here, I'd love it if every challenge entrant was required to have the attitude that "I'm here to learn, and accept all offered opinions and votes, as each has great value to me and is appreciated".
ETA: Fixed final statement, as helpfully pointed out by Ryan. ;)
Message edited by author 2012-11-21 12:53:21. |
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11/21/2012 12:38:27 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by Cory:
If you can't stand the heat, gtfo of the kitchen.
That's the BIG improvement I want to see here, I'd love it if every challenge entrant was required to have the "I'm here to learn, and accept all offered opinions and votes, as each has great value to me and is appreciated" mentality. |
Finished it for you :)
i give that statement an 8/10. Could've been a nine, but the composition just kinda dropped off at the end there ;)
Message edited by author 2012-11-21 12:38:40. |
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11/21/2012 12:52:34 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by RyanWareham:
Originally posted by Cory:
If you can't stand the heat, gtfo of the kitchen.
That's the BIG improvement I want to see here, I'd love it if every challenge entrant was required to have the "I'm here to learn, and accept all offered opinions and votes, as each has great value to me and is appreciated" mentality. |
Finished it for you :)
i give that statement an 8/10. Could've been a nine, but the composition just kinda dropped off at the end there ;) |
LOL... Was engaged in a conversation and a text-message string at the same time as posting that. Total ADHD style distraction.
Thanks for the help. ;) |
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11/21/2012 12:59:49 PM · #97 |
I really like getting a critical comment, usualy but not always I take something away from a critical comment that helps me in the next challenge.
No political and religious rants would be good for the heath of the site I think, I know people will say well you're not obliged to read them but I really do believe that these dualistic rants only degrade the atmosphere here, being tactful about one's non photographic strong opinions would greatly help this place.
This is a site where people put what they cherish up for judgment by a variety of people with differing tastes, some people do well immediately, for others it takes a much longer time to improve and some are just never going to cut it. First and foremost we have to concentrate on pleasing ourselves and stop getting irate about what we would like our scores to be, as long as we push our own boundaries that's all that matters. I'm pretty sure most of the moaning threads that are created are done so because of unachieved expectations. Lets just shoot from our hearts and not our heads and everybody will benefit, if we constantly try and bend our style to fit mass appeal it's tantamount to selling one's soul.
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11/21/2012 01:02:05 PM · #98 |
| thoughtful and well-stated, thanks John |
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11/21/2012 02:06:55 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by Venser:
I personally think more negative criticism would help so many people, myself included. I love knowing what doesn't work, and why. If you don't like the subject of my photo, let me know. Same with composition, lighting, whatever. |
I personally DO NOT wish to receive such feedback. The dislike of certain subjects is very subjective and does not equate to constructive criticism. If this site had ANY IMPROVEMENTS FINALLY implemented (Get Satisfaction!!) I wish it were the NO PERSONAL VIEWS type comments button, or a button called CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM WELCOME. |
I have entered recently after a little downtime and for a short time looked forward to seeing how the image was doing. But after less than 24 hrs I would have to say I know why I walked away. A comment was left that wasn't constructive and I can't see the point in it at all other than to annoy.
The threads still have the same rumblings and usual agitators including the one who left said comment.
The improvements are non existent and that doesn't look like it will change anytime soon.
I have used the examples above as they are valid, I want constructive critiques but the comments are rapidly becoming like Flickr and 500 px with the odd non sensical comment that just infuriates.
I am unwilling to pay even the small fee that comes with this site until such time some improvement is made and some of the people who seem intent on winding others up leave or are removed from the site.
I used to love this site but it has become stagnant and dominated by a few characters that make the place unwelcoming. |
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11/21/2012 02:11:31 PM · #100 |
My problem is with the comments of this nature: "not yet another bug!", "I hate shots of glasses and water drops", "this type of image does nothing for me", this is not constructive criticism to me, this is a personal opinion not unlike views the views on politics or religion. It does not help me grow.
PS I am yet to enter an image in a challenge that received no comments, so my apologies for those who did. It may come across to you as I am ungrateful but I prefer thoughtful comments that relate to a particular image rather than comments preaching one's views. |
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