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11/06/2012 01:09:57 PM · #101 |
| Uh, it's the LOVE of money, not money... |
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11/06/2012 01:13:34 PM · #102 |
For those who want a little love and less divisiveness, I really enjoyed this article coming out of Canada.
The US is not a country divided. |
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11/06/2012 01:14:38 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
keep making excuses, that's what everyone else is doing. |
Wow. |
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11/06/2012 01:15:47 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
And the rich people I know own businesses that let them do nothing but enjoy their wealth (which I wouldn't call working hard). |
My wife owns her own business and this is the most hilarious statement I have seen in a while. I'm sure you're not making a blanket statement but I had to laugh.
I don't involve myself in politics, but for what it's worth, we are both in our 40's, have no car payments and just made our last mortgage payment and we are nowhere near what you would call "rich". The secret then? We work hard, and put money in savings. If we can't afford something, we don't buy it on credit (shocking, i know) if we can't afford it and still want it then we save for it. We went through some lean years but we had self discipline. You can work hard and live comfortable, you don't need to be rich to be happy. |
No, it wasn't a blanket statement. I was in fact referring to a specific real couple that I know. Wife used to be "poor", a waitress. Husband own's a cable company. He was quite rich already when she married him. He doesn't "work". I think he goes to the "office" about once a month. They spend most of their time partying and traveling. They hire a limo to go 4 blocks to go out to eat, spend $1000 on dinner and tip the waitress ten bucks. Then then head to one of their mansions or yachts. Her Christmas present a couple years ago was a block of real estate that included a bar and a restaurant and a few other businesses. A few years ago, they bought John Edwards mansion in Florida. Anyway, I wasn't talking about your middle of the road business owners. I have some of them in my own extended family and they work quite hard. Usually 60 hours a week or more. But they aren't rich. |
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11/06/2012 01:15:50 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Uh, it's the LOVE of money, not money... |
then i agree, i dont love money, i just try to earn as much of it as i can and that all i expect others to do as well. |
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11/06/2012 01:18:17 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
And the rich people I know own businesses that let them do nothing but enjoy their wealth (which I wouldn't call working hard). |
My wife owns her own business and this is the most hilarious statement I have seen in a while. I'm sure you're not making a blanket statement but I had to laugh.
I don't involve myself in politics, but for what it's worth, we are both in our 40's, have no car payments and just made our last mortgage payment and we are nowhere near what you would call "rich". The secret then? We work hard, and put money in savings. If we can't afford something, we don't buy it on credit (shocking, i know) if we can't afford it and still want it then we save for it. We went through some lean years but we had self discipline. You can work hard and live comfortable, you don't need to be rich to be happy. |
No, it wasn't a blanket statement. I was in fact referring to a specific real couple that I know. Wife used to be "poor", a waitress. Husband own's a cable company. He was quite rich already when she married him. He doesn't "work". I think he goes to the "office" about once a month. They spend most of their time partying and traveling. They hire a limo to go 4 blocks to go out to eat, spend $1000 on dinner and tip the waitress ten bucks. Then then head to one of their mansions or yachts. Her Christmas present a couple years ago was a block of real estate that included a bar and a restaurant and a few other businesses. A few years ago, they bought John Edwards mansion in Florida. Anyway, I wasn't talking about your middle of the road business owners. I have some of them in my own extended family and they work quite hard. Usually 60 hours a week or more. But they aren't rich. |
what the point of having money if you cant enjoy it?
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11/06/2012 01:19:22 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Uh, it's the LOVE of money, not money... |
Originally posted by Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
Definition of GREED: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed. |
Sounds like pretty much the same as "love of money" to me ... |
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11/06/2012 01:23:22 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Uh, it's the LOVE of money, not money... |
Originally posted by Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
Definition of GREED: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed. |
Sounds like pretty much the same as "love of money" to me ... |
love is not the same as desire. |
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11/06/2012 01:25:44 PM · #109 |
Mike,
I've been poor, in a way that i hope most people in this forum don't know the meaning of. I get where you're coming from, if you're talking about the small group of people who refuse to work hard because they can run the system. They're just being greedy, and they're not breaking the law. By your own standards, they're doing what they should be doing. I don't know your situation, but if you're getting/eligible for ANY aid on your education, in a way - you're part of the same system.
To rationalize your train of thought to myself, i can assume you haven't really been poor. If you have and have somehow worked yourself into the middleclass and want to continue to move up,maybe you you're just ignorant to the reality that the lazy, the system manipulators, and the cheats exist across the socioeconomic board. The same can be said ofcourse, for the hardworking. There is no doubt that there are hardworking well off people and there is an argument to be made that more of them up there than the poor in comparison by sheer numbers, perhaps even ratios. There is no doubt that America, at some level rewards hardwork, but its not true across the board and quite often, circumstance or "luck" are a key factor.I've lived poor, I've lived middleclass and hopefully, will continue my success; but never for a second have i been under the illusion that only the poor are advantaged in the system.
Do some people feel they're entitled to things to a pathetic degree? Absolutely, but again, this
is true for both the rich and the poor. The number of people getting taxed vs the %the rich are taxed argument really comes down to practicality. At some point, if you're poor enough, you can't afford to live and a tax relief helps. If you're rich, you get breaks or "incentives" for the things you do to promote the economy and towards charity and that also makes sense.
The problem comes in when the system manipulators, the truly greedy, begin to manipulate the system away from its original intention. I counter your statement that greed is a good thing, it is certainly not. Passion, drive, hunger are good, greed is ultimately destructive by its nature. Greed is what takes a system that's originally (ideally) designed to be relatively fair and sensible, and twists and contorts it into a corrupt perpetual entropy accelerator. Greed leads to a system where each individual is trying to knaw their own piece of pie away from the whole and everyones looking for as much of it as they can. You'd think this would drive competetion, and perhaps it would in the same world that the original system was designed for, but certainly not in the corruption tainted mess we end up with.
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11/06/2012 01:38:53 PM · #110 |
| Trickle down economics is simply a lie designed to make everyone feel good about making the rich richer at the expense of everyone else. |
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11/06/2012 01:39:11 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Uh, it's the LOVE of money, not money... |
Originally posted by Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
Definition of GREED: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed. |
Sounds like pretty much the same as "love of money" to me ... |
love is not the same as desire. |
OK Mr. Gekko... |
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11/06/2012 01:54:48 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
And the rich people I know own businesses that let them do nothing but enjoy their wealth (which I wouldn't call working hard). |
My wife owns her own business and this is the most hilarious statement I have seen in a while. I'm sure you're not making a blanket statement but I had to laugh.
I don't involve myself in politics, but for what it's worth, we are both in our 40's, have no car payments and just made our last mortgage payment and we are nowhere near what you would call "rich". The secret then? We work hard, and put money in savings. If we can't afford something, we don't buy it on credit (shocking, i know) if we can't afford it and still want it then we save for it. We went through some lean years but we had self discipline. You can work hard and live comfortable, you don't need to be rich to be happy. |
No, it wasn't a blanket statement. I was in fact referring to a specific real couple that I know. Wife used to be "poor", a waitress. Husband own's a cable company. He was quite rich already when she married him. He doesn't "work". I think he goes to the "office" about once a month. They spend most of their time partying and traveling. They hire a limo to go 4 blocks to go out to eat, spend $1000 on dinner and tip the waitress ten bucks. Then then head to one of their mansions or yachts. Her Christmas present a couple years ago was a block of real estate that included a bar and a restaurant and a few other businesses. A few years ago, they bought John Edwards mansion in Florida. Anyway, I wasn't talking about your middle of the road business owners. I have some of them in my own extended family and they work quite hard. Usually 60 hours a week or more. But they aren't rich. |
what the point of having money if you cant enjoy it? |
Not sure if you're talking to me or Kelli but we do enjoy our money, we just do it in a way that doesn't leave us in debt. |
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11/06/2012 01:58:45 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Trickle down economics is simply a lie designed to make everyone feel good about making the rich richer at the expense of everyone else. |
who said anything about trickledown economics?
please dont attempt to redefine what im saying becuase you disagree with it.
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11/06/2012 02:05:36 PM · #114 |
| Today I had the rare pleasure of NOT voting for Roseanne Barr for the US Senate. That at least was a point of satisfaction in the exercise of my franchise. |
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11/06/2012 02:07:44 PM · #115 |
Devinder, you make a great points here, and no i did not grow up in extreme poverty but I did not grow up privileged, not even close. i saw first hand the value of hard work from my parents who took no handouts and made a good life for themselves and us. sure we had to do without at times, but their decisions to do so panned out.
i see where my father got to and his brothers and sisters did not simply becuase he had the drive for better.
i do agree that we need a fair system, in the US we all play the same game, some have to work harder than others given their circumstances but that as fair as its going to get.
we as a society need to be held accountable for being allowed to be deceived buy the greedy rich, we have allowed the corruption to take hold with our laziness and lack of thinking.
we can play this game all day long but ultimately our success comes from our own hard work and thinking. No one in this country I live in has no opportunity to succeed, save a very few extreme cases (and i have no problem helping them out.)
no one should make excuses for their inability to succeed.
Message edited by author 2012-11-06 14:23:38. |
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11/06/2012 02:16:48 PM · #116 |
| It's my first voting in the States (excited :) |
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11/06/2012 02:26:11 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by beatabg:
It's my first voting in the States (excited :) |
This is my 10th presidential election. I won't mention my vote choices, but I never failed to vote. On review, my vote went to the loser seven times out of the ten elections. That's not a very good record. Hoping my results improve today. However, my gut feeling (and the sum of all fears) is that we won't know the winner until about November 28. |
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11/06/2012 02:48:36 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by beatabg:
It's my first voting in the States (excited :) |
This is my 10th presidential election. I won't mention my vote choices, but I never failed to vote. On review, my vote went to the loser seven times out of the ten elections. That's not a very good record. Hoping my results improve today. However, my gut feeling (and the sum of all fears) is that we won't know the winner until about November 28. |
Yeah, that's the first time I'm eligible to vote. I got my American citizenship two years ago. |
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11/06/2012 02:57:09 PM · #119 |
I have voted in BOTH a US presidential election and Canadian elections. Neener, neener, neener!
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11/06/2012 02:57:12 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by beatabg:
Yeah, that's the first time I'm eligible to vote. I got my American citizenship two years ago. |
Congrats...
I always make sure to vote. One of the reasons is my dad always told me if you don't vote you have no right to complain. |
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11/06/2012 02:58:46 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I have voted in BOTH a US presidential election and Canadian elections. Neener, neener, neener! |
that explains a lot. |
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11/06/2012 03:01:35 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by beatabg:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by beatabg:
It's my first voting in the States (excited :) |
This is my 10th presidential election. I won't mention my vote choices, but I never failed to vote. On review, my vote went to the loser seven times out of the ten elections. That's not a very good record. Hoping my results improve today. However, my gut feeling (and the sum of all fears) is that we won't know the winner until about November 28. |
Yeah, that's the first time I'm eligible to vote. I got my American citizenship two years ago. |
Congrats on your 1st voting experience....I am sure you are excited.
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11/06/2012 03:02:54 PM · #123 |
| My polling place was empty. My daughter and I were in and out in under 5 minutes. |
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11/06/2012 03:04:08 PM · #124 |
| I voted, can't wait for the candidates (and their campaigns) to STFU. |
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11/06/2012 03:05:17 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
My polling place was empty. My daughter and I were in and out in under 5 minutes. |
I went at lunch, the line was out the door. It doesn't help that the ballot is a 3 pager this time either. |
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