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11/06/2012 12:00:27 PM · #76
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Neil:

Interesting polls here: //elections.nytimes.com/2012/swing-state-polls

Check out the question: If [Mitt Romney/Barack Obama] ]is elected, do you think the policies of his administration will favor one group or treat all the same?


they should favor the rich. All policies should favor the rich. why should we be rewarding any or all the qualities that make one poor?

poor folks should be striving to not be poor, not accepting that fact that they are and especially not waiting for the government to bail them out.


Wow. Yeah, those poor people that are so disabled they can't even go to the bathroom by themselves really should get out there and improve their standing in society. How dare they be so poor!
11/06/2012 12:01:40 PM · #77
Originally posted by skewsme:

do you really think that poor and middle class people don't work hard?


not as hard as they could. when you expect the government to continue to help you out, you dont work as hard becuase you know you dont have to.
11/06/2012 12:02:11 PM · #78
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by skewsme:

wow look out for that karmic boomerang


right, i forgot, its not ok to look down upon those less fortunate. i shouldn't say that.

this country was founded on hard work and ambition and was built strong by those striving for better, yet we continue to reward lack of effort.

people have decided to take the easy route to getting what that dont earn, and they encourage politics that maintain that.


The problem with your argument, and Romney's 47% statement, is- who is mowing the grass, and digging ditches, and pressing your clothes and teaching your kids and pumping your septic tank, etc, etc.? The so called not-wanting to work hard victims?

The 1% are hard at work creating "credit default swaps" and other creative accounting.

So if you really believe what your saying, give your parents a call and encourage them not to get Social Security, Medicare, and to liquidate their assets before they would ever consider state medical for end of life care.

oh yeah, go down to the shore and tell those victims not to accept one penny in aid for the federal government for Hurricane Sandy. Wouldn't want to encourage laziness in the rebuild.
11/06/2012 12:05:58 PM · #79
Originally posted by Kelli:



Wow. Yeah, those poor people that are so disabled they can't even go to the bathroom by themselves really should get out there and improve their standing in society. How dare they be so poor!


and here we go, i was wondering when the debate would turn.

there is a big difference between cant work and wont work because its easier not to.

Message edited by author 2012-11-06 12:06:47.
11/06/2012 12:07:57 PM · #80
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by jagar:

Originally posted by mike_311:


poor folks should be striving to not be poor, not accepting that fact that they are and especially not waiting for the government to bail them out.


Cancer suffers shouldn't accept their fate and they should strive to stay alive, most of them do just this but unfortunately as we know not all make it.
Do you really think it is possible for everybody to be rich? surely you're not that naive.


so becuase the odds are against to do something you shouldn't strive?


The vast majority can't and won't be rich even if they strive. Do you think it's possible to have a country full of rich people? even if it was possible the poverty would just be displaced somewhere else.
11/06/2012 12:08:02 PM · #81
Another interesting article sent to me by a Canadian friend...

//www.globalnews.ca/6442733844/story.html
11/06/2012 12:11:44 PM · #82
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by skewsme:

do you really think that poor and middle class people don't work hard?

not as hard as they could. when you expect the government to continue to help you out, you dont work as hard becuase you know you dont have to.

so let me get this straight, you resent that the govt helps you out but you don't have the willpower to resist?
11/06/2012 12:11:49 PM · #83
Originally posted by jagar:



The vast majority can't and won't be rich even if they strive. Do you think it's possible to have a country full of rich people? even if it was possible the poverty would just be displaced somewhere else.


so we should punish those that attain it and make them pay for the rest of us that dont?

Message edited by author 2012-11-06 12:13:05.
11/06/2012 12:12:51 PM · #84
Originally posted by skewsme:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by skewsme:

do you really think that poor and middle class people don't work hard?

not as hard as they could. when you expect the government to continue to help you out, you dont work as hard becuase you know you dont have to.

so let me get this straight, you resent that the govt helps you out but you don't have the willpower to resist?


when did i ever say that?
11/06/2012 12:14:11 PM · #85
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Neil:

Interesting polls here: //elections.nytimes.com/2012/swing-state-polls

Check out the question: If [Mitt Romney/Barack Obama] ]is elected, do you think the policies of his administration will favor one group or treat all the same?


they should favor the rich. All policies should favor the rich. why should we be rewarding any or all the qualities that make one poor?

poor folks should be striving to not be poor, not accepting that fact that they are and especially not waiting for the government to bail them out.

Mike, I work in the Dental lab industry and labs are going out of business at an alarming rate. My own business will likely fail in the next year too unless I decide to get greedy. The few labs that are doing well are doing so by sub-contracting their labor to China and buying big expensive CadCam systems to automate making crowns.
Do I really need to explain the harm of sending labor for something like this to China? As for the machine automation; if you chip one front tooth would you want to get at least two front teeth redone because a machine can't match the color of a single natural tooth milling out of a solid block of material or just get the one tooth redone by an artist like me that builds the tooth by hand in successive layers mimicking a natural tooth?
My example is very simplistic I know, but I'm not a stupid person and know how to make a lot of money in my industry- but I choose not to thank you. I would rather be poor than participate in this race to the bottom that is driven by greed.
11/06/2012 12:21:19 PM · #86
Unfortunately I think our political system has reached a point of entropy where no one single person is going to be really able to affect policy that much. Unfortunately, while I did vote and have my favorite candidates, I feel I am being fooled by mass marketing and political engineering to think that there is any quantifiable difference between the major political parties in the U.S.

Oh and here is a photo of Joe Biden I manipulated, just because I can. : )

11/06/2012 12:23:44 PM · #87
Originally posted by ShutterRev:

On the topic of "Elect someone to office" I am in California.... It doesn't matter how many people go vote, and who they go vote for. Two words, Electoral College.
What can matter is the props. That's about it.



I have two more words...."downticket races." I am in California too, and on my ballot, all of the national races are all but decided. But the mayor? City council? School board? Those races actually have more impact on my day to day life than the national races, and they're not decided at all. So I voted.
11/06/2012 12:24:26 PM · #88
Originally posted by Brent_S:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Neil:

Interesting polls here: //elections.nytimes.com/2012/swing-state-polls

Check out the question: If [Mitt Romney/Barack Obama] ]is elected, do you think the policies of his administration will favor one group or treat all the same?


they should favor the rich. All policies should favor the rich. why should we be rewarding any or all the qualities that make one poor?

poor folks should be striving to not be poor, not accepting that fact that they are and especially not waiting for the government to bail them out.

Mike, I work in the Dental lab industry and labs are going out of business at an alarming rate. My own business will likely fail in the next year too unless I decide to get greedy. The few labs that are doing well are doing so by sub-contracting their labor to China and buying big expensive CadCam systems to automate making crowns.
Do I really need to explain the harm of sending labor for something like this to China? As for the machine automation; if you chip one front tooth would you want to get at least two front teeth redone because a machine can't match the color of a single natural tooth milling out of a solid block of material or just get the one tooth redone by an artist like me that builds the tooth by hand in successive layers mimicking a natural tooth?
My example is very simplistic I know, but I'm not a stupid person and know how to make a lot of money in my industry- but I choose not to thank you. I would rather be poor than participate in this race to the bottom that is driven by greed.


Im sure lots of people appreciate your morality, but what debt do you owe your fellow man? You should be trying to get as rich as you can, if is cheaper to outsource, you should. Make as much money as you can.

11/06/2012 12:25:16 PM · #89
yes, that sounds heartless.

stop worrying about being greedy, greed inst bad.

Message edited by author 2012-11-06 12:26:28.
11/06/2012 12:26:56 PM · #90
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Brent_S:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Neil:

Interesting polls here: //elections.nytimes.com/2012/swing-state-polls

Check out the question: If [Mitt Romney/Barack Obama] ]is elected, do you think the policies of his administration will favor one group or treat all the same?


they should favor the rich. All policies should favor the rich. why should we be rewarding any or all the qualities that make one poor?

poor folks should be striving to not be poor, not accepting that fact that they are and especially not waiting for the government to bail them out.

Mike, I work in the Dental lab industry and labs are going out of business at an alarming rate. My own business will likely fail in the next year too unless I decide to get greedy. The few labs that are doing well are doing so by sub-contracting their labor to China and buying big expensive CadCam systems to automate making crowns.
Do I really need to explain the harm of sending labor for something like this to China? As for the machine automation; if you chip one front tooth would you want to get at least two front teeth redone because a machine can't match the color of a single natural tooth milling out of a solid block of material or just get the one tooth redone by an artist like me that builds the tooth by hand in successive layers mimicking a natural tooth?
My example is very simplistic I know, but I'm not a stupid person and know how to make a lot of money in my industry- but I choose not to thank you. I would rather be poor than participate in this race to the bottom that is driven by greed.


Im sure lots of people appreciate your morality, but what debt do you owe your fellow man? You should be trying to get as rich as you can, if is cheaper to outsource, you should. Make as much money as you can.


Even better; during weekends dress up like a robber and knock people's teeth out, that'll teach those poor bastards and you will have an even bigger boat...
11/06/2012 12:28:51 PM · #91
Ive got 1 question... How is this not in RANT????
11/06/2012 12:32:26 PM · #92
Originally posted by HCvE:



Even better; during weekends dress up like a robber and knock people's teeth out, that'll teach those poor bastards and you will have an even bigger boat...


why? he isn't stealing anything.

guess what, if another person came up with a plan to get his business and its overseas than kudos to that person, someone here should be looking for a way to get that work back here.

instead of just complaining "we cant compete, overseas is taking our work, boo hoo", expecting the governemnt to help you out. do something about it, come up with a solution.

yes i realize its easier said than done, but i dont see much doing, only lots of complaining.

Message edited by author 2012-11-06 12:33:48.
11/06/2012 12:32:55 PM · #93
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Kelli:



Wow. Yeah, those poor people that are so disabled they can't even go to the bathroom by themselves really should get out there and improve their standing in society. How dare they be so poor!


and here we go, i was wondering when the debate would turn.

there is a big difference between cant work and wont work because its easier not to.


The real money jobs require education. Education is expensive. But per Romney in an interview, you can just borrow the money from your parents! Sure, they have it...they're just holding out on you!

Let's see if I got the rest of the platform right:

If people really wanted to they could get rich even making minimum wage. You just have to work 80 hours a week! And lets see, if you are making $10 an hour (above minimum wage), then that's $800 a week, * 52 weeks (if you're truly motivated you don't need a vacation), and now you've made $41,600 in just one year! See, you're rich! If you're really motivated and work 120 hours a week, you can make over $60K in one year!

Just don't get sick, or injured. Heck with buying a $10K or more health insurance policy...or paying for preventative care...waste of money. Just go to the emergency room whenever you are sick. Heck, why pay for preventative services...need a breast cancer screening, you don't need Planned Parenthood...just go to the emergency room. Everyone is covered, and it's cost efficient!

*** Gag... Cough. ***

11/06/2012 12:35:35 PM · #94
keep making excuses, that's what everyone else is doing.
11/06/2012 12:37:39 PM · #95
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Kelli:



Wow. Yeah, those poor people that are so disabled they can't even go to the bathroom by themselves really should get out there and improve their standing in society. How dare they be so poor!


and here we go, i was wondering when the debate would turn.

there is a big difference between cant work and wont work because its easier not to.


Considering how many people called you out on your blanket statement, it should be evident that you are the one who turned it. I don't understand why you don't see your statements as offensive. I know plenty of poor people. I also know some rich people. Guess what. None of them got there by choice. The poor people I know either work their asses off, or are so disabled or old that they can't work. And the rich people I know own businesses that let them do nothing but enjoy their wealth (which I wouldn't call working hard).
11/06/2012 12:41:41 PM · #96
Originally posted by Ann:

Originally posted by ShutterRev:

On the topic of "Elect someone to office" I am in California.... It doesn't matter how many people go vote, and who they go vote for. Two words, Electoral College.
What can matter is the props. That's about it.



I have two more words...."downticket races." I am in California too, and on my ballot, all of the national races are all but decided. But the mayor? City council? School board? Those races actually have more impact on my day to day life than the national races, and they're not decided at all. So I voted.


This was my point in starting the thread. We are a large community and it is worth encouraging all who can to GET OUT AND VOTE.
Thanks for keeping this ON TOPIC.
11/06/2012 12:47:26 PM · #97
Originally posted by Kelli:


Considering how many people called you out on your blanket statement, it should be evident that you are the one who turned it. I don't understand why you don't see your statements as offensive. I know plenty of poor people. I also know some rich people. Guess what. None of them got there by choice. The poor people I know either work their asses off, or are so disabled or old that they can't work. And the rich people I know own businesses that let them do nothing but enjoy their wealth (which I wouldn't call working hard).


i'm merely defending my position, you guys are letting your emotions of social grace turn it.

redistribution is not the solution, all it does is create a society that doesn't want to produce becuase it has no incentive to.

Message edited by author 2012-11-06 12:51:43.
11/06/2012 12:58:26 PM · #98
Originally posted by mike_311:

We need more greed in this country. For some reason being rich has become a bad thing.

That's not exactly a new idea ...

"For the love of money is the root of all evil ..."

Bible, 1 Timothy 6:10
11/06/2012 01:04:38 PM · #99
Originally posted by Kelli:

And the rich people I know own businesses that let them do nothing but enjoy their wealth (which I wouldn't call working hard).


My wife owns her own business and this is the most hilarious statement I have seen in a while. I'm sure you're not making a blanket statement but I had to laugh.
I don't involve myself in politics, but for what it's worth, we are both in our 40's, have no car payments and just made our last mortgage payment and we are nowhere near what you would call "rich". The secret then? We work hard, and put money in savings. If we can't afford something, we don't buy it on credit (shocking, i know) if we can't afford it and still want it then we save for it. We went through some lean years but we had self discipline. You can work hard and live comfortable, you don't need to be rich to be happy.

Message edited by author 2012-11-06 13:04:59.
11/06/2012 01:07:42 PM · #100
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by mike_311:

We need more greed in this country. For some reason being rich has become a bad thing.

That's not exactly a new idea ...

"For the love of money is the root of all evil ..."

Bible, 1 Timothy 6:10


“So you think that money is the root of all evil?” said Francisco d’Anconia. “Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil? ...

if you like to read the rest:

//capitalismmagazine.com/2002/08/franciscos-money-speech/

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