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01/17/2003 03:10:22 PM · #1 |
Hi
Does anyone use a filter on their camera if so which one.
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01/17/2003 03:29:12 PM · #2 |
I've got three...all Tiffen 37mm. Haze-1 UV to stick on for lens protection, a Sky 1A filter for outdoor shots and a circular polarizer for contrast and sky shots. I could do without the Sky 1A filter but I'd highly recommend having a UV filter to protect the lens from damage from scratches and other things like fingerprints, salt spray, rain etc. The polarizer is great for darkening blues (sky and blue water) and minimizing reflections off of water and glass. The polarizer will also saturate othercolours somewhat. It comes with a heavy 2-3 f-stop penalty, though, so they're only good in brighter light. If you only get a few, get a UV or clear filter for general protection and a polarizer. I'm also looking at getting a neutral-density filter for increased shadow contrast, and eventually perhaps an infrared filter. I would like a yellow or red one for contrast in black and white shots, but can't seem to find them in 37mm. The 37mm stuff tends to be made for video cameras.
People will tell you that some filters (such as yellow, green and red for black and white) are not really needed due to colour channel manipulation in PhotoShop or other programs. Don't believe it. The best thing you can do for your images is get the image that is as close as possible to what you want straight out of the camera. That way, you have more dynamic information to work with in PhotoShop and you end up with better shots. |
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01/17/2003 03:30:11 PM · #3 |
What's the difference between a UV and the Skylight 1A? I thought they were the same thing...
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01/17/2003 03:38:52 PM · #4 |
Nope...the Sky 1A has a rather pinkish hue to get rid of blue light in landscape shots whereas the UV filters are (or should be) neutral.
Skylight vs. UV |
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01/17/2003 03:43:41 PM · #5 |
I have found a neat setup for getting rid of blue in landscapes.. especially when using a polarizer...
i manually adjust my white balance while i have the polarizer on for starters... then i sometimes stack a warming filter on top of the polarizer... it helps significantly...
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01/17/2003 03:46:09 PM · #6 |
I have the UV on my lense at all times. Protects from fingerprint, etc. and hopefully this will never happen, but protects it from cracks. I also too use a polarizer like jimmythefish stated.
But unlike jimmthefish, i have tons of the filters by Nik color efex and would have spent a fortune. And they give great results. check out
//www.nikmultimedia.com/usa/maincontent/index.shtml |
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01/17/2003 03:48:08 PM · #7 |
here's a quick snap of the difference...UV left, Sky 1A right. yes, skip all the critique jokes!
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01/17/2003 03:59:19 PM · #8 |
John hit the nail on the head about warming filter use in digital photography, you HAVE TO set a custom white balance. If you keep it on AWB the camera will negate the warming filter. I know a lot of people that swear a warming filter helps but they AWB it and the camera squelches the filter. The power of suggestion is an amazing thing...
I stay away from filters at all cost. The last thing I want is a cheap piece of glass infront of my expensive piece of glass. The only ones I own are polarizers and I use them only as a last resort.
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01/17/2003 04:02:06 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I have found a neat setup for getting rid of blue in landscapes.. especially when using a polarizer...
i manually adjust my white balance while i have the polarizer on for starters... then i sometimes stack a warming filter on top of the polarizer... it helps significantly... |
ahhh...to be able to manually adjust the white balance. i am seriously considering the f717 as a permanent replacement, considering i've got batteries and memory sticks. just need more money...i'm applying to grad school and therefore the SLR is totally out! do you like yours? you were saying you're going to go SLR? what don't you like about the f707? the only concern i would have is whether or not the control over depth of focus is enough in the f-series. |
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01/17/2003 04:06:42 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Davenit:
John hit the nail on the head about warming filter use in digital photography, you HAVE TO set a custom white balance. If you keep it on AWB the camera will negate the warming filter. I know a lot of people that swear a warming filter helps but they AWB it and the camera squelches the filter. The power of suggestion is an amazing thing...
I stay away from filters at all cost. The last thing I want is a cheap piece of glass infront of my expensive piece of glass. The only ones I own are polarizers and I use them only as a last resort.
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yeah...i'v enoticed that with the polarizer, and also why i could do without the sky filter. if you set the white balance to outdoor you can forget about the polarizer helping you out. i try to keep it on hold when shooting with the polarizer. my camera, she not very good... |
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01/17/2003 04:07:34 PM · #11 |
I really like the 707 and there is nothing wrong with it at all.. I'm thinking about going to slr simply for higher resolution and more lens options...
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01/17/2003 04:09:53 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Originally posted by Davenit:
John hit the nail on the head about warming filter use in digital photography, you HAVE TO set a custom white balance. If you keep it on AWB the camera will negate the warming filter. I know a lot of people that swear a warming filter helps but they AWB it and the camera squelches the filter. The power of suggestion is an amazing thing...
I stay away from filters at all cost. The last thing I want is a cheap piece of glass infront of my expensive piece of glass. The only ones I own are polarizers and I use them only as a last resort.
Dave |
yeah...i'v enoticed that with the polarizer, and also why i could do without the sky filter. if you set the white balance to outdoor you can forget about the polarizer helping you out. i try to keep it on hold when shooting with the polarizer. my camera, she not very good... |
i disagree with this.. i set white balance AFTER i put the polarizer on. I still get the better color saturation that the polarizer offers...
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01/17/2003 04:25:42 PM · #13 |
Yeah, my statement was only meant for a warming filter. Not a polarizer. Polarizers are blocking certain freqencies while warming filters are enhancing them. WB has no affect on a polarizer and if it does it is negligable...
That's funny John, I am looking to get a 717. LOL!!! Between your images and this gentlemans ( //www2.photosig.com/userphotos.php?id=2061 ) I am sold... LOL
The 717 is an incredible piece of glass... JMO
Dave
Message edited by author 2003-01-17 16:27:50. |
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01/17/2003 04:34:46 PM · #14 |
| i just meant that the polarizer's effects tend to be the least noticeable with the outdoor white balance - still definitely noticeable, but minimized. |
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01/17/2003 05:00:48 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
People will tell you that some filters (such as yellow, green and red for black and white) are not really needed due to colour channel manipulation in PhotoShop or other programs. Don't believe it. The best thing you can do for your images is get the image that is as close as possible to what you want straight out of the camera. That way, you have more dynamic information to work with in PhotoShop and you end up with better shots. |
Colour filters like you describe are not so needed because you can use your white balance in your camera to give you the same effect.
You can use this colour filter card to set your white balance, and then shoot away. To use a 'colour filter' you set the white balance based on the complimentary colour. Takes up a whole lot less space than a stack of filters! I also use the back side of the card as a handy white reference card too. Works great for B&W.
Message edited by author 2003-01-17 17:01:18. |
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01/17/2003 05:27:28 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Colour filters like you describe are not so needed because you can use your white balance in your camera to give you the same effect.
You can use this colour filter card to set your white balance, and then shoot away. To use a 'colour filter' you set the white balance based on the complimentary colour. Takes up a whole lot less space than a stack of filters! I also use the back side of the card as a handy white reference card too. Works great for B&W. |
interesting...though i can't set the white balance manually on my camera!
Message edited by author 2003-01-17 17:28:31. |
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01/17/2003 05:35:18 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
interesting...though i can't set the white balance manually on my camera! |
I could be totally wrong, but is that not what the 'hold' mode lets you do ? |
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01/17/2003 05:56:14 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Colour filters like you describe are not so needed because you can use your white balance in your camera to give you the same effect.
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Precisely.
I have used that feature several times now. Set the whitebalance on a very mild blue and you get more orange / warmer pictures. Strong blues turn it into strong orange casts.
Whitebalancing on orange/yellow creates cooler images.
It is a great feature of manual whitebalancing, but not many people know it yet. Try it out!
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01/17/2003 05:59:23 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
It is a great feature of manual whitebalancing, but not many people know it yet. Try it out! |
Yup - that's why carrying a print-out of that colour card is really handy - about 40 colour filters on one piece of paper |
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01/17/2003 06:57:24 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
interesting...though i can't set the white balance manually on my camera! |
I could be totally wrong, but is that not what the 'hold' mode lets you do ? |
the 'hold' documentation is terrible...the manual says something along the lines of 'used to photograph subjects of a single colour' which i interpret to mean set the white balance from a white object, but it doesn't seem to be all that varied. it simply changes the colour temperature inbetween the preset 'outdoor' and 'indoor' setting. this is by no means a wide range. it's not a true manual white balance from what i can tell. |
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01/17/2003 08:02:16 PM · #21 |
Gordon, that is so cool. I tried it an it really works. Too bad we're at night. I can't wait to try it outside tomorrow.
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
People will tell you that some filters (such as yellow, green and red for black and white) are not really needed due to colour channel manipulation in PhotoShop or other programs. Don't believe it. The best thing you can do for your images is get the image that is as close as possible to what you want straight out of the camera. That way, you have more dynamic information to work with in PhotoShop and you end up with better shots. |
Colour filters like you describe are not so needed because you can use your white balance in your camera to give you the same effect.
You can use this colour filter card to set your white balance, and then shoot away. To use a 'colour filter' you set the white balance based on the complimentary colour. Takes up a whole lot less space than a stack of filters! I also use the back side of the card as a handy white reference card too. Works great for B&W. |
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01/18/2003 02:41:41 AM · #22 |
Gordon, exactly how does someone use this color filter card?
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
People will tell you that some filters (such as yellow, green and red for black and white) are not really needed due to colour channel manipulation in PhotoShop or other programs. Don't believe it. The best thing you can do for your images is get the image that is as close as possible to what you want straight out of the camera. That way, you have more dynamic information to work with in PhotoShop and you end up with better shots. |
Colour filters like you describe are not so needed because you can use your white balance in your camera to give you the same effect.
You can use this colour filter card to set your white balance, and then shoot away. To use a 'colour filter' you set the white balance based on the complimentary colour. Takes up a whole lot less space than a stack of filters! I also use the back side of the card as a handy white reference card too. Works great for B&W. |
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01/18/2003 05:07:06 AM · #23 |
| Looks great, I cannot attach filters on my camera, so would love to know more about this filter card. Can you explain how to use it? |
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01/18/2003 08:15:38 AM · #24 |
on My G2, I set the white balance at Evaluate White Balance (manual setting), point at the a colour, hit the " * " button, and the complementry colour will take over. Neat effect.
I think your camera needs to have a manual white balance setting.
Message edited by author 2003-01-18 08:16:05.
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01/18/2003 04:43:42 PM · #25 |
| But the squares are so tiny on gordons card, do you get way up close? I understand the concept but I'm still confused about the application. |
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