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10/19/2012 02:36:40 PM · #51
Originally posted by tnun:

it's all a plot to set us at each other's throats.


Works pretty good, don't you think? ;) lol.
10/19/2012 02:38:21 PM · #52
Originally posted by Cory:

Again, this decision would be driven by $$, as the cost of litigation is far higher than the cost of licenses that allow them to pass the buck.

I don't know, the courts do tend to view many things in terms of monetary or other considerations - and unless $$ has exchanged hands, then they don't seem to view the contractual obligations the same way.

In terms of the law and courts, it's important to remember this is just a game, played by silly rules that often don't make any sense.

You're simplifying things to much. First, this is Canada, not the litigation hungry US. Second, it will never hold up in court. In fact, it hasn't in the past up here.

Somehow Microsoft has entrenched people with using their product, and still convinces them that it's the better option out there regardless of the alternatives.

The decision is driven by the fear of change, first and foremost. I'm VP of development and getting people to change is the hardest thing to do, even if it's the best move.
10/19/2012 02:41:41 PM · #53
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Cory:

Again, this decision would be driven by $$, as the cost of litigation is far higher than the cost of licenses that allow them to pass the buck.

I don't know, the courts do tend to view many things in terms of monetary or other considerations - and unless $$ has exchanged hands, then they don't seem to view the contractual obligations the same way.

In terms of the law and courts, it's important to remember this is just a game, played by silly rules that often don't make any sense.

You're simplifying things to much. First, this is Canada, not the litigation hungry US. Second, it will never hold up in court. In fact, it hasn't in the past up here.

Somehow Microsoft has entrenched people with using their product, and still convinces them that it's the better option out there regardless of the alternatives.

The decision is driven by the fear of change, first and foremost. I'm VP of development and getting people to change is the hardest thing to do, even if it's the best move.


We work in much the same area, change management is always the tricky part of any implementation, the technology is the easy bit. In short, people suck. :)

Although I did get to see a tech throwing garbage cans across the shop after a recent training - that was pretty cool, guy got some serious distance outta them.
10/19/2012 02:44:14 PM · #54
So, in summary...

Buy a Mac, or you'll be throwing your garbage cans across the room, because you won't have the patience and dedication to fully appreciate the advantages of a PC.

:D
10/19/2012 02:49:02 PM · #55
Originally posted by Cory:

So, in summary...

Buy a Mac, or you'll be throwing your garbage cans across the room, because you won't have the patience and dedication to fully appreciate the advantages of a PC.

:D

I would still argue that depends on whether you're installing Linux or Windows on that PC. With Windows it's always a POS, with Linux, it's extremely powerful.

I will concede to the high end gamers who need Windows and can't use anything else.
10/19/2012 02:52:59 PM · #56
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Cory:

So, in summary...

Buy a Mac, or you'll be throwing your garbage cans across the room, because you won't have the patience and dedication to fully appreciate the advantages of a PC.

:D

I would still argue that depends on whether you're installing Linux or Windows on that PC. With Windows it's always a POS, with Linux, it's extremely powerful.

I will concede to the high end gamers who need Windows and can't use anything else.


Yeah, there you go.. Superb plan, try to convince an end user to install Linux, cause they should totally be able to handle compiling a binary, plus then they could just drop the GUI and go with the shell, as it's so much more simple, you know, with only text instead of all of those distracting GUI objects.

I figure that could escalate from garbage can throwing to animal abuse, about the time they try to find and install drivers, fantastic idea. ;)

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 14:53:38.
10/19/2012 02:53:07 PM · #57
Originally posted by Venser:

Somehow Microsoft has entrenched people with using their product, and still convinces them that it's the better option out there regardless of the alternatives.

Once companies have thousands of computers running custom-designed proprietary programs it is a huge investment to switch platforms. Besides, they'd probably have to maintain both platforms to access archived data (e,g, bank and medical records).

Heck, most of the businesses I've observed running Windows (e.g. Kaiser hospitals) are still using Windows XP for the same reason -- they're running medical records software on thousands of desktops -- upgrading all of those (when they're in near-continuous use) would be an unnecessary logistical and economic nightmare when the current system still works.
10/19/2012 02:55:15 PM · #58
Originally posted by Cory:

... plus then they could just drop the GUI and go with the shell, as it's so much more simple, you know, with only text instead of all of those distracting GUI objects.

Exactly. At home I never need to touch the mouse. It's awesome. Productivity increases so much from that alone. Between running screen, vi, and visor, I have unlimited terminals at my disposal.

I still use lynx occasionally to surf the web. Brings back memories from the good ol' days.
10/19/2012 02:56:31 PM · #59
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Cory:

... plus then they could just drop the GUI and go with the shell, as it's so much more simple, you know, with only text instead of all of those distracting GUI objects.

Exactly. At home I never need to touch the mouse. It's awesome. Productivity increases so much from that alone. Between running screen, vi, and visor, I have unlimited terminals at my disposal.

I still use lynx occasionally to surf the web. Brings back memories from the good ol' days.


Screw it, let's move on.

Vi or Emacs?

;) :D

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 14:56:52.
10/19/2012 02:57:25 PM · #60
Originally posted by Cory:

Yeah, there you go.. Superb plan, try to convince an end user to install Linux, cause they should totally be able to handle compiling a binary, plus then they could just drop the GUI and go with the shell, as it's so much more simple, you know, with only text instead of all of those distracting GUI objects.

So now you're arguing for the Mac "we'll take care of it for you" position? I'm confused ... ;-)

Either platform can be perfectly fine if it does the things you want to do and you are comfortable using it. You don't want to support Apple because of their corporate philosophy, and a lot of people won't use Windows for the same reason ...
10/19/2012 02:58:48 PM · #61
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Cory:

Yeah, there you go.. Superb plan, try to convince an end user to install Linux, cause they should totally be able to handle compiling a binary, plus then they could just drop the GUI and go with the shell, as it's so much more simple, you know, with only text instead of all of those distracting GUI objects.

So now you're arguing for the Mac "we'll take care of it for you" position? I'm confused ... ;-)

Either platform can be perfectly fine if it does the things you want to do and you are comfortable using it. You don't want to support Apple because of their corporate philosophy, and a lot of people won't use Windows for the same reason ...


I'm arguing for segregation.

End users on the Mac side
Business users on PC side
Power users on Linux side

ETA: Actually, anyone who doesn't just work in machine language is a pansy, if you can't type out a letter in pure binary ascii, then you don't even deserve to touch a keyboard. ;)

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 14:59:59.
10/19/2012 03:01:09 PM · #62
I don't think you need to argue -- users already self-segregate (to paraphrase Mr. Romney) pretty much just that way ...
10/19/2012 03:08:59 PM · #63
I have been using PCs for years and have never thrown a garbage can! A pencil maybe.... With a few choice words...

I will never be as savy as many of you are when it comes to hardware and software but I'm OK with that. I don't work with computers, I work with people.
Give me a smooth OS and let me edit my photos, check out DPC and Flickr, send my emails. No freezes and slow downs. That's all I need.

( I apologise to all for opening this can of worms, believe me I knew not the depth of the controversy...)

I decided to buy a ........ oh never mind....
10/19/2012 03:14:50 PM · #64
pansies unite!

Maggie, why don't you seek out those whose pp effects you like and ask them what systems they use?

Cory, one's camera does not determine the kind or extent of pp one wants.
10/19/2012 03:19:22 PM · #65
Originally posted by montrealmaggie:


( I apologise to all for opening this can of worms, believe me I knew not the depth of the controversy...)

I decided to buy a ........ oh never mind....


Why apologize? This is probably the most fun I'll have today. ;)
10/19/2012 03:23:59 PM · #66
Originally posted by tnun:


Cory, one's camera does not determine the kind or extent of pp one wants.


You're quite right that it doesn't change the post processing, however I'm not sure what the heck you're even referring to, since I never made any such claim.

However, in terms of my previous statement here that referenced cameras, the whole P&S vs DSLR comment was meant to illustrate the fact that with increasing ability comes increases in complexity, difficulty, and the number of opportunities to mess things up. Hence, I see PC's as being more DSLR like, and Macs as being more P&S like. Clearly the power difference isn't nearly as great, but the philosophy is still very relevant.

But there are reasons to embrace that difficulty and the challenges.

I dare you to show me a nice long exposure (in the minutes range) taken with a Kodak P&S cam.

Go grab your Coolpix L10 and shoot an indoors basketball game.

The obvious truth is that you simply can't do those things because the hardware will limit your ability.

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 15:25:40.
10/19/2012 03:33:35 PM · #67
Originally posted by Cory:

Point and Shoot or DSLR?

Frankly Mac's and PC's have a very different target market. If you want to stretch the limits, get a PC, if you just want to push the button and not worry about settings, go for a Mac.


Waal, I sorta thought....

I never take my L10 to indoor basketball games, but if someone were to pay me? Actually I would prolly get some egselent blours.
10/19/2012 03:35:07 PM · #68
I always love macs. Then I had to switch to PCs, because I became a consultant, and all the businesses used PCs.

I was ready to go to a mac a couple of years ago, and I was really annoyed at what they had become. Apple had always been so good with their educational prices. It was the reason I had computers through college, and after I was married since my husband was going for his PhD.

When we were looking to buy my high school age daughter a netbook, we looked at mac laptops. There was absolutely no way we could afford one. They've gotten rid of all their educational pricing, and they're so outrageously expensive.

She's going to college next year and the laptop won't be a mac.
10/19/2012 03:35:52 PM · #69
... ;-)

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 16:28:20.
10/19/2012 03:43:58 PM · #70
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Message edited by author 2012-10-19 15:53:42.
10/19/2012 04:12:35 PM · #71
i wish my question on calibrating my screens got this much enthusiastic attention. poor thing is dying without a will.
10/19/2012 04:13:30 PM · #72
Originally posted by vawendy:

I always love macs. Then I had to switch to PCs, because I became a consultant, and all the businesses used PCs.

I was ready to go to a mac a couple of years ago, and I was really annoyed at what they had become. Apple had always been so good with their educational prices. It was the reason I had computers through college, and after I was married since my husband was going for his PhD.

When we were looking to buy my high school age daughter a netbook, we looked at mac laptops. There was absolutely no way we could afford one. They've gotten rid of all their educational pricing, and they're so outrageously expensive.

She's going to college next year and the laptop won't be a mac.

Actually they still have Academic pricing Wendy. You need to just tell them you are doing an Academic purchase if you go into their brick and mortar stores or if online browse to their Academic store (you can select it from the main store page and will be asked to state the school when you do). Discounts vary, but on a MacBook Pro for example you save about $200 on the unit and then another $125 for the price of their 3-year Applecare warranty. They also have back to school specials that either get you a free product or $100 credit typically. Some nice perks :)

To the OP: This thread got kind of crazy and confusing. If however you do decide you want an iMac. Wait until next Tuesday when new models are supposed to be announced.
10/19/2012 04:27:45 PM · #73
Originally posted by Venser:

...

Heh, I saw your reply. We wouldn't want to sully your DPC rep... ;-)

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 16:28:02.
10/19/2012 04:28:56 PM · #74
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Venser:

...

Heh, I saw your reply. We wouldn't want to sully your DPC rep... ;-)

What little I have left at least.
10/19/2012 06:57:14 PM · #75
I'm a Mac. don't know nuthin about techo mumbo jumbo.
Bought an iMac 20" for my husband 10 yrs ago. he didn't like it so I got it, Used it for 7 years and now have a Macbook Pro. Never missed a beat.
Use Lightroom for photography.

My husband is now on computer # 5!
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