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10/20/2012 09:55:26 PM · #1
Originally posted by Brent_S:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Brent_S:

Originally posted by vawendy:

I always love macs. Then I had to switch to PCs, because I became a consultant, and all the businesses used PCs.

I was ready to go to a mac a couple of years ago, and I was really annoyed at what they had become. Apple had always been so good with their educational prices. It was the reason I had computers through college, and after I was married since my husband was going for his PhD.

When we were looking to buy my high school age daughter a netbook, we looked at mac laptops. There was absolutely no way we could afford one. They've gotten rid of all their educational pricing, and they're so outrageously expensive.

She's going to college next year and the laptop won't be a mac.

Actually they still have Academic pricing Wendy. You need to just tell them you are doing an Academic purchase if you go into their brick and mortar stores or if online browse to their Academic store (you can select it from the main store page and will be asked to state the school when you do). Discounts vary, but on a MacBook Pro for example you save about $200 on the unit and then another $125 for the price of their 3-year Applecare warranty. They also have back to school specials that either get you a free product or $100 credit typically. Some nice perks :)

To the OP: This thread got kind of crazy and confusing. If however you do decide you want an iMac. Wait until next Tuesday when new models are supposed to be announced.


$200 is nothing compared to what it used to be, and nowhere near enough to bring it close to a PC. This was the way they used to build their base. They've sold out. They're not affordable for a good chunk of people anymore.

Wow, I'm sorry I missed the big Apple discount days then :)

It's very true that Apple computers are no longer (if they ever were) affordable to many people. But I think the reason for this has more to do with only offering higher end products rather than overpricing. It's getting increasingly hard to compare computers against one another with all the different names they give processors and other parts. But if you know your stuff and compare an Apple laptop for example to another brand with the same specs, you will find the price difference is negligible and with the Apple you get Aluminum Unibody construction (Samsung may come close to this) and sometimes even newer tech like the Thunderbolt connection which is only available from Apple right now (Retina Displays would be more expensive).
And Apple customer service is simply awesome. Buy a PC at Bestbuy and if it has a problem good luck getting satisfaction from their support or that of HP, Dell, etc. If you have an Apple and are lucky to have one of their stores nearby they can fix even major things in less than a day or even if you have to send it off they make things very easy for you. And future Mac OS upgrades are very inexpensive too when compared to Windows.
Where Apple does gouge people is in their pricing for RAM and they really should stop that. You can get a much better deal getting minimal RAM from them and then doing the upgrade yourself. Unless they solder in the RAM like they have started doing with the new Retina MacBooks :(


Yup -- the discounts were truly spectacular. It was a shock to see what had happened to the discounts and the prices over the years. Mac seemed to have started out keeping the little people in mind. Definitely not so anymore.
10/20/2012 04:50:50 PM · #2
Originally posted by bohemka:

[quote=Brent_S] [quote=vawendy] [quote=Brent_S] [quote=vawendy] I always love macs. Then I had to switch to PCs, because I became a consultant, and all the businesses used PCs.

I will attest to the quality as a user for more than a decade, but all hardware fails. Applecare, which is what would give you the great service you're talking about, is an additional $350. Installing your own RAM would void that.

The specs on my new laptop are not all that far off those of a MacBook Pro, at less than half the price. Upgrade to Windows 8 already on the books for $14.

With the money saved on my recent purchase I can buy another entire new machine in a few years, which will help me keep pace with technological developments far better than investing in a MacBook today.

My main problem with Apple is their aggressive behavior shaping, such as the abandonment of DVD drives, as you're just naturally supposed to stream all your media from iTunes and the cloud.

Their lifestyle product line is too tightly wrapped around itself, and far too planed from a to z for its users. I feel a great sense of freedom and control having recently abandoned it.

I can respect all that Scott. It has been a while since I have compared a Mac and a PC side by side regarding specs and prices. I do also factor in resale value when I evaluate things as Macs do hold it well. Apple does keep you inside their box that is true. That would be confining for many people I am sure, but it works okay for me these days. Very glad to here you are enjoying your new PC :)

One thing so as to not confuse any people with Macs should they want to upgrade their RAM themselves. You will not void your warranty if you upgrade it yourself, Apple even surprisingly links to instructions for doing it properly when you look at your system profile. Except the new Retina MacBook Pros where the memory is soldered in place- not too cool Apple.
10/20/2012 11:36:00 AM · #3
Originally posted by Brent_S:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Brent_S:

Originally posted by vawendy:

I always love macs. Then I had to switch to PCs, because I became a consultant, and all the businesses used PCs.

I was ready to go to a mac a couple of years ago, and I was really annoyed at what they had become. Apple had always been so good with their educational prices. It was the reason I had computers through college, and after I was married since my husband was going for his PhD.

When we were looking to buy my high school age daughter a netbook, we looked at mac laptops. There was absolutely no way we could afford one. They've gotten rid of all their educational pricing, and they're so outrageously expensive.

She's going to college next year and the laptop won't be a mac.

Actually they still have Academic pricing Wendy. You need to just tell them you are doing an Academic purchase if you go into their brick and mortar stores or if online browse to their Academic store (you can select it from the main store page and will be asked to state the school when you do). Discounts vary, but on a MacBook Pro for example you save about $200 on the unit and then another $125 for the price of their 3-year Applecare warranty. They also have back to school specials that either get you a free product or $100 credit typically. Some nice perks :)

To the OP: This thread got kind of crazy and confusing. If however you do decide you want an iMac. Wait until next Tuesday when new models are supposed to be announced.


$200 is nothing compared to what it used to be, and nowhere near enough to bring it close to a PC. This was the way they used to build their base. They've sold out. They're not affordable for a good chunk of people anymore.

Wow, I'm sorry I missed the big Apple discount days then :)

It's very true that Apple computers are no longer (if they ever were) affordable to many people. But I think the reason for this has more to do with only offering higher end products rather than overpricing. It's getting increasingly hard to compare computers against one another with all the different names they give processors and other parts. But if you know your stuff and compare an Apple laptop for example to another brand with the same specs, you will find the price difference is negligible and with the Apple you get Aluminum Unibody construction (Samsung may come close to this) and sometimes even newer tech like the Thunderbolt connection which is only available from Apple right now (Retina Displays would be more expensive).
And Apple customer service is simply awesome. Buy a PC at Bestbuy and if it has a problem good luck getting satisfaction from their support or that of HP, Dell, etc. If you have an Apple and are lucky to have one of their stores nearby they can fix even major things in less than a day or even if you have to send it off they make things very easy for you. And future Mac OS upgrades are very inexpensive too when compared to Windows.
Where Apple does gouge people is in their pricing for RAM and they really should stop that. You can get a much better deal getting minimal RAM from them and then doing the upgrade yourself. Unless they solder in the RAM like they have started doing with the new Retina MacBooks :(


I will attest to the quality as a user for more than a decade, but all hardware fails. Applecare, which is what would give you the great service you're talking about, is an additional $350. Installing your own RAM would void that.

The specs on my new laptop are not all that far off those of a MacBook Pro, at less than half the price. Upgrade to Windows 8 already on the books for $14.

With the money saved on my recent purchase I can buy another entire new machine in a few years, which will help me keep pace with technological developments far better than investing in a MacBook today.

My main problem with Apple is their aggressive behavior shaping, such as the abandonment of DVD drives, as you're just naturally supposed to stream all your media from iTunes and the cloud.

Their lifestyle product line is too tightly wrapped around itself, and far too planed from a to z for its users. I feel a great sense of freedom and control having recently abandoned it.
10/20/2012 10:52:00 AM · #4
Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Brent_S:

Originally posted by vawendy:

I always love macs. Then I had to switch to PCs, because I became a consultant, and all the businesses used PCs.

I was ready to go to a mac a couple of years ago, and I was really annoyed at what they had become. Apple had always been so good with their educational prices. It was the reason I had computers through college, and after I was married since my husband was going for his PhD.

When we were looking to buy my high school age daughter a netbook, we looked at mac laptops. There was absolutely no way we could afford one. They've gotten rid of all their educational pricing, and they're so outrageously expensive.

She's going to college next year and the laptop won't be a mac.

Actually they still have Academic pricing Wendy. You need to just tell them you are doing an Academic purchase if you go into their brick and mortar stores or if online browse to their Academic store (you can select it from the main store page and will be asked to state the school when you do). Discounts vary, but on a MacBook Pro for example you save about $200 on the unit and then another $125 for the price of their 3-year Applecare warranty. They also have back to school specials that either get you a free product or $100 credit typically. Some nice perks :)

To the OP: This thread got kind of crazy and confusing. If however you do decide you want an iMac. Wait until next Tuesday when new models are supposed to be announced.


$200 is nothing compared to what it used to be, and nowhere near enough to bring it close to a PC. This was the way they used to build their base. They've sold out. They're not affordable for a good chunk of people anymore.

Wow, I'm sorry I missed the big Apple discount days then :)

It's very true that Apple computers are no longer (if they ever were) affordable to many people. But I think the reason for this has more to do with only offering higher end products rather than overpricing. It's getting increasingly hard to compare computers against one another with all the different names they give processors and other parts. But if you know your stuff and compare an Apple laptop for example to another brand with the same specs, you will find the price difference is negligible and with the Apple you get Aluminum Unibody construction (Samsung may come close to this) and sometimes even newer tech like the Thunderbolt connection which is only available from Apple right now (Retina Displays would be more expensive).
And Apple customer service is simply awesome. Buy a PC at Bestbuy and if it has a problem good luck getting satisfaction from their support or that of HP, Dell, etc. If you have an Apple and are lucky to have one of their stores nearby they can fix even major things in less than a day or even if you have to send it off they make things very easy for you. And future Mac OS upgrades are very inexpensive too when compared to Windows.
Where Apple does gouge people is in their pricing for RAM and they really should stop that. You can get a much better deal getting minimal RAM from them and then doing the upgrade yourself. Unless they solder in the RAM like they have started doing with the new Retina MacBooks :(
10/19/2012 08:42:55 PM · #5
Originally posted by Brent_S:

Originally posted by vawendy:

I always love macs. Then I had to switch to PCs, because I became a consultant, and all the businesses used PCs.

I was ready to go to a mac a couple of years ago, and I was really annoyed at what they had become. Apple had always been so good with their educational prices. It was the reason I had computers through college, and after I was married since my husband was going for his PhD.

When we were looking to buy my high school age daughter a netbook, we looked at mac laptops. There was absolutely no way we could afford one. They've gotten rid of all their educational pricing, and they're so outrageously expensive.

She's going to college next year and the laptop won't be a mac.

Actually they still have Academic pricing Wendy. You need to just tell them you are doing an Academic purchase if you go into their brick and mortar stores or if online browse to their Academic store (you can select it from the main store page and will be asked to state the school when you do). Discounts vary, but on a MacBook Pro for example you save about $200 on the unit and then another $125 for the price of their 3-year Applecare warranty. They also have back to school specials that either get you a free product or $100 credit typically. Some nice perks :)

To the OP: This thread got kind of crazy and confusing. If however you do decide you want an iMac. Wait until next Tuesday when new models are supposed to be announced.


$200 is nothing compared to what it used to be, and nowhere near enough to bring it close to a PC. This was the way they used to build their base. They've sold out. They're not affordable for a good chunk of people anymore.
10/19/2012 07:02:03 PM · #6
Originally posted by Sonja153:

I'm a Mac. don't know nuthin about techo mumbo jumbo.
Bought an iMac 20" for my husband 10 yrs ago. he didn't like it so I got it, Used it for 7 years and now have a Macbook Pro. Never missed a beat.
Use Lightroom for photography.

My husband is now on computer # 5!


Was that punishment for him buying you a bowling ball for your birthday? ;)
10/19/2012 07:00:45 PM · #7
Originally posted by Devinder:

i wish my question on calibrating my screens got this much enthusiastic attention. poor thing is dying without a will.


You should have posted it under the guise of a hotly controversial topic. These always have all the fun! (it may also be true that a few pot stirrers around here have something to do with that... maybe not.. Who knows. ;) )...
10/19/2012 06:57:14 PM · #8
I'm a Mac. don't know nuthin about techo mumbo jumbo.
Bought an iMac 20" for my husband 10 yrs ago. he didn't like it so I got it, Used it for 7 years and now have a Macbook Pro. Never missed a beat.
Use Lightroom for photography.

My husband is now on computer # 5!
10/19/2012 04:28:56 PM · #9
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Venser:

...

Heh, I saw your reply. We wouldn't want to sully your DPC rep... ;-)

What little I have left at least.
10/19/2012 04:27:45 PM · #10
Originally posted by Venser:

...

Heh, I saw your reply. We wouldn't want to sully your DPC rep... ;-)

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 16:28:02.
10/19/2012 04:13:30 PM · #11
Originally posted by vawendy:

I always love macs. Then I had to switch to PCs, because I became a consultant, and all the businesses used PCs.

I was ready to go to a mac a couple of years ago, and I was really annoyed at what they had become. Apple had always been so good with their educational prices. It was the reason I had computers through college, and after I was married since my husband was going for his PhD.

When we were looking to buy my high school age daughter a netbook, we looked at mac laptops. There was absolutely no way we could afford one. They've gotten rid of all their educational pricing, and they're so outrageously expensive.

She's going to college next year and the laptop won't be a mac.

Actually they still have Academic pricing Wendy. You need to just tell them you are doing an Academic purchase if you go into their brick and mortar stores or if online browse to their Academic store (you can select it from the main store page and will be asked to state the school when you do). Discounts vary, but on a MacBook Pro for example you save about $200 on the unit and then another $125 for the price of their 3-year Applecare warranty. They also have back to school specials that either get you a free product or $100 credit typically. Some nice perks :)

To the OP: This thread got kind of crazy and confusing. If however you do decide you want an iMac. Wait until next Tuesday when new models are supposed to be announced.
10/19/2012 04:12:35 PM · #12
i wish my question on calibrating my screens got this much enthusiastic attention. poor thing is dying without a will.
10/19/2012 03:43:58 PM · #13
...

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 15:53:42.
10/19/2012 03:35:52 PM · #14
... ;-)

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 16:28:20.
10/19/2012 03:35:07 PM · #15
I always love macs. Then I had to switch to PCs, because I became a consultant, and all the businesses used PCs.

I was ready to go to a mac a couple of years ago, and I was really annoyed at what they had become. Apple had always been so good with their educational prices. It was the reason I had computers through college, and after I was married since my husband was going for his PhD.

When we were looking to buy my high school age daughter a netbook, we looked at mac laptops. There was absolutely no way we could afford one. They've gotten rid of all their educational pricing, and they're so outrageously expensive.

She's going to college next year and the laptop won't be a mac.
10/19/2012 03:33:35 PM · #16
Originally posted by Cory:

Point and Shoot or DSLR?

Frankly Mac's and PC's have a very different target market. If you want to stretch the limits, get a PC, if you just want to push the button and not worry about settings, go for a Mac.


Waal, I sorta thought....

I never take my L10 to indoor basketball games, but if someone were to pay me? Actually I would prolly get some egselent blours.
10/19/2012 03:23:59 PM · #17
Originally posted by tnun:


Cory, one's camera does not determine the kind or extent of pp one wants.


You're quite right that it doesn't change the post processing, however I'm not sure what the heck you're even referring to, since I never made any such claim.

However, in terms of my previous statement here that referenced cameras, the whole P&S vs DSLR comment was meant to illustrate the fact that with increasing ability comes increases in complexity, difficulty, and the number of opportunities to mess things up. Hence, I see PC's as being more DSLR like, and Macs as being more P&S like. Clearly the power difference isn't nearly as great, but the philosophy is still very relevant.

But there are reasons to embrace that difficulty and the challenges.

I dare you to show me a nice long exposure (in the minutes range) taken with a Kodak P&S cam.

Go grab your Coolpix L10 and shoot an indoors basketball game.

The obvious truth is that you simply can't do those things because the hardware will limit your ability.

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 15:25:40.
10/19/2012 03:19:22 PM · #18
Originally posted by montrealmaggie:


( I apologise to all for opening this can of worms, believe me I knew not the depth of the controversy...)

I decided to buy a ........ oh never mind....


Why apologize? This is probably the most fun I'll have today. ;)
10/19/2012 03:14:50 PM · #19
pansies unite!

Maggie, why don't you seek out those whose pp effects you like and ask them what systems they use?

Cory, one's camera does not determine the kind or extent of pp one wants.
10/19/2012 03:08:59 PM · #20
I have been using PCs for years and have never thrown a garbage can! A pencil maybe.... With a few choice words...

I will never be as savy as many of you are when it comes to hardware and software but I'm OK with that. I don't work with computers, I work with people.
Give me a smooth OS and let me edit my photos, check out DPC and Flickr, send my emails. No freezes and slow downs. That's all I need.

( I apologise to all for opening this can of worms, believe me I knew not the depth of the controversy...)

I decided to buy a ........ oh never mind....
10/19/2012 03:01:09 PM · #21
I don't think you need to argue -- users already self-segregate (to paraphrase Mr. Romney) pretty much just that way ...
10/19/2012 02:58:48 PM · #22
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Cory:

Yeah, there you go.. Superb plan, try to convince an end user to install Linux, cause they should totally be able to handle compiling a binary, plus then they could just drop the GUI and go with the shell, as it's so much more simple, you know, with only text instead of all of those distracting GUI objects.

So now you're arguing for the Mac "we'll take care of it for you" position? I'm confused ... ;-)

Either platform can be perfectly fine if it does the things you want to do and you are comfortable using it. You don't want to support Apple because of their corporate philosophy, and a lot of people won't use Windows for the same reason ...


I'm arguing for segregation.

End users on the Mac side
Business users on PC side
Power users on Linux side

ETA: Actually, anyone who doesn't just work in machine language is a pansy, if you can't type out a letter in pure binary ascii, then you don't even deserve to touch a keyboard. ;)

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 14:59:59.
10/19/2012 02:57:25 PM · #23
Originally posted by Cory:

Yeah, there you go.. Superb plan, try to convince an end user to install Linux, cause they should totally be able to handle compiling a binary, plus then they could just drop the GUI and go with the shell, as it's so much more simple, you know, with only text instead of all of those distracting GUI objects.

So now you're arguing for the Mac "we'll take care of it for you" position? I'm confused ... ;-)

Either platform can be perfectly fine if it does the things you want to do and you are comfortable using it. You don't want to support Apple because of their corporate philosophy, and a lot of people won't use Windows for the same reason ...
10/19/2012 02:56:31 PM · #24
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Cory:

... plus then they could just drop the GUI and go with the shell, as it's so much more simple, you know, with only text instead of all of those distracting GUI objects.

Exactly. At home I never need to touch the mouse. It's awesome. Productivity increases so much from that alone. Between running screen, vi, and visor, I have unlimited terminals at my disposal.

I still use lynx occasionally to surf the web. Brings back memories from the good ol' days.


Screw it, let's move on.

Vi or Emacs?

;) :D

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 14:56:52.
10/19/2012 02:55:15 PM · #25
Originally posted by Cory:

... plus then they could just drop the GUI and go with the shell, as it's so much more simple, you know, with only text instead of all of those distracting GUI objects.

Exactly. At home I never need to touch the mouse. It's awesome. Productivity increases so much from that alone. Between running screen, vi, and visor, I have unlimited terminals at my disposal.

I still use lynx occasionally to surf the web. Brings back memories from the good ol' days.
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