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09/14/2012 11:00:22 AM · #1
now that i have been doing more portrait photography i really feel i need to get a full frame camera, specifically a 5dii. i just feel like my portrait images are lacking that super sharp dreamy look portraits on a full frame camera get, not to mention it would make much better use of my primes, give me better higher iso ability and add some extra FOV for my indoor photography.

but... i love my 60D and i adore my 10-22, both of which will have to go to fund the 5dii. i have a bad knee and the swivel screen is a god send with getting low. also my widest angle will become 28mm until i could afford to get a 17-40L later. The 10-22 is my most used lens currently and i just feel like im going to regret losing it, i should have never bought it :) .

i really dont want to wait becuase i need to make a purchase this fall to offset my tax liability for this past year.

convince me i'll be fine upgrading...
09/14/2012 11:03:11 AM · #2
Nope -- you won't be fine upgrading. You'll miss the 60d and the 10-22.

Simple. Keep it all. Back up cameras are extremely useful!! And on important things, it's fun to shoot with the 2 cameras, different lenses, and not bothering having to switch lenses all the time.
09/14/2012 11:08:54 AM · #3
I love my 5Dii but I agree with Wendy, the camera you have now is excellent and unless you are getting into shooting weddings where the higher iso is important I would hold off and purchase one later and keep your 60D as a backup.
09/14/2012 11:12:53 AM · #4
interesting, when i posed this question on the canon forums, i had about 50 people tell me to dump the 60D for 5dii in about 3 minutes.

i figured i needed a sanity check here.
09/14/2012 11:25:41 AM · #5
I don't know if you have used the 5Dii or not but I would suggest renting one for a shoot and using both to see if you really need to step up or not. Cameras just capture light so unless you are making 20x30 prints and shooting in low light or needing to do a lot of cropping I think you will be fine with the 60D for now, put some money aside from each shoot and get it when you can.
09/14/2012 11:26:05 AM · #6
Plus, you'll miss the 1.6 crop factor when you try any wildlife shots.

2 cameras.

Keep the 60. Buy a 5.
09/14/2012 11:27:29 AM · #7
I do love my 5DmkII, but I mostly wanted a full frame camera to go with my Sigma 12-24, so I can understand your hesitation to give up the ultra wide end.

If there's any way you can afford it, get the 5DmkII now and decide if you want to sell anything after the fact. Despite my reluctance to buy anything on credit, if you're going to buy new, you could take advantage of one of the 6mo same as cash offers to get it now, then pay it off later. Just don't go past the payoff date...the interest is retroactive and usually at a stupid rate.
09/14/2012 11:36:55 AM · #8
Canon CLP has a 5dii refurb for $1583. I have the cash to buy now, but the wife wont be happy with such a big splurge and i dont have the cash to compensate her as well :) .

I have though about renting one, but i was afraid I'd fall in love with it.

outright buying a 5dc was another option i considered.
09/14/2012 11:37:18 AM · #9
Originally posted by vawendy:

Plus, you'll miss the 1.6 crop factor when you try any wildlife shots.


i dont really do wildlife shots.

Message edited by author 2012-09-14 11:37:27.
09/14/2012 11:44:06 AM · #10
i have also been holding onto my 28-75 for use on a crop and i also have an 85 that i never ever use since its too long indoors and not long enough outdoors.

the 5dii would give me use both of those. as i said the FF would make better use of all my lenses, so if i stick with the 60D, do i revamp that lens line up yet again?

right now i really only use the 10-22 and the 50mm, do i sell the 85 and the 28-75 and get say a 70-200/4L ???

09/14/2012 11:45:57 AM · #11
Go full frame - you will not regret it. Then get some good primes to go with it.

Message edited by author 2012-09-14 11:46:57.
09/14/2012 12:01:54 PM · #12
Originally posted by mike_311:

Canon CLP has a 5dii refurb for $1583. I have the cash to buy now, but the wife wont be happy with such a big splurge and i dont have the cash to compensate her as well :) .

I have though about renting one, but i was afraid I'd fall in love with it.

outright buying a 5dc was another option i considered.


I bought the 5Dc, and like spork, the purchase was largely because of my 12-24, and the desire for those beautifully huge photosites.

I honestly couldn't be happier, and unless I wanted to do video, there's no way I'd pop for the MkII, and I'd have a pretty hard time talking myself into the MkIII despite the nice new features...

The fact is, the 5Dc is an amazing camera, and the smooth creamy look is just awesome.

Message edited by author 2012-09-14 12:02:51.
09/14/2012 12:06:18 PM · #13
The Tamron 28-75mm is a very nice lens on the cropped sensor, but it doesn't stand up well to full frame, unfortunately. I loved it on my 20D, but I almost never used it on the 5D because its performance nearer the edges just wasn't good at all. So be aware of that.
09/14/2012 12:06:45 PM · #14
Mike

Your instincts are right - I had a 5DII and a 7D and couldn't live with the non-butteryness of a cropped sensor. I figured the 7D would give me more flexibility, greater length on my 100-400 but in the end I barely used it.

I now have a 5DIII and a 5DII as a backup, that's how non-optional I think full-frame is.

The Fuji XPro-1 is killing me though - I would love that form factor for all sorts of things but I fear the DOF characteristics of the crop sensor will disappoint me. Of course, John's work consistently makes me reconsider - it's difficult to avoid the front page ;-) but at the moment I'm saving for a Leica M9 - that's how important I think FF is.

If you like that smoothness you see with FF, you NEED that upgrade.
09/14/2012 12:09:11 PM · #15
Originally posted by Paul:

Mike

Your instincts are right - I had a 5DII and a 7D and couldn't live with the non-butteryness of a cropped sensor. I figured the 7D would give me more flexibility, greater length on my 100-400 but in the end I barely used it.

I now have a 5DIII and a 5DII as a backup, that's how non-optional I think full-frame is.

The Fuji XPro-1 is killing me though - I would love that form factor for all sorts of things but I fear the DOF characteristics of the crop sensor will disappoint me. Of course, John's work consistently makes me reconsider - it's difficult to avoid the front page ;-) but at the moment I'm saving for a Leica M9 - that's how important I think FF is.

If you like that smoothness you see with FF, you NEED that upgrade.


Why not the Leica MM... That thing is Seeeeexy! I've been saying that someone should do it for a while now.
09/14/2012 12:15:39 PM · #16
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

The Tamron 28-75mm is a very nice lens on the cropped sensor, but it doesn't stand up well to full frame, unfortunately. I loved it on my 20D, but I almost never used it on the 5D because its performance nearer the edges just wasn't good at all. So be aware of that.


ok, then i sell the 60d, 28-75 and the 10-22 and buy a 5dii net cost to me $0

that leaves me with money to blow for taxes purposes to get a 17-40L

:)

edit unless there is another lens that mounts a FF that will be a 10mm equivalent and i can get a 17-40 later

Message edited by author 2012-09-14 12:17:21.
09/14/2012 12:16:58 PM · #17
Mike, you've gotten some very good opinion here. I'm sure you'd be extremely happy with the 5Dii (hell, I would, LOL). Do be advised, full frame is a money sink. It's a larger format, and lenses that perform well on that larger format are more expensive. For portrait work, any of the 5D cameras plus a good fast prime is a recipe for something special.
Buying an original 5D is a great option. They are relatively cheap, $900 or so at this point, and will give you a chance to get your feet wet. Both your 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 will yield beautiful portrait results.
09/14/2012 12:19:01 PM · #18
Originally posted by kirbic:

Mike, you've gotten some very good opinion here. I'm sure you'd be extremely happy with the 5Dii (hell, I would, LOL). Do be advised, full frame is a money sink. It's a larger format, and lenses that perform well on that larger format are more expensive. For portrait work, any of the 5D cameras plus a good fast prime is a recipe for something special.
Buying an original 5D is a great option. They are relatively cheap, $900 or so at this point, and will give you a chance to get your feet wet. Both your 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 will yield beautiful portrait results.


my 60D is a money sink.

09/14/2012 12:20:32 PM · #19
Originally posted by mike_311:



my 60D is a money sink.


Now double the size of the hole and you've got full frame ;-)
09/14/2012 12:21:10 PM · #20
Originally posted by mike_311:

ok, then i sell the 60d, 28-75 and the 10-22 and buy a 5dii net cost to me $0

that leaves me with money to blow for taxes purposes to get a 17-40L


That sounds like a plan. You have the 50mm 1.4 and the 85mm 1.8, both excellent FF lenses, you REALLY want the wide end, 17-40 is a good performer at a very fair price, and you can worry about long reach later...
09/14/2012 12:33:03 PM · #21
if i buy the canon through CLP i get 20% off any refurb lens and they have the 17-40L in stock.

just out of curiosity is the 15mm/2.8 fish eye a specialty lens or will it give results similar to my 10-22 on my 60D at 10mm?

09/14/2012 12:33:25 PM · #22
I upgraded all my glass to l or equivilant then went from 20d to 5d then 8 months later 5dmk2

I love my 5ds both of them still get used daily, albeit the mk2 is main camera.

But I new I was going ff so never bought efs other than the one I had with my 20d

If your getting paid for shoots two bodies are important, I shoot with both my 5ds with different lens options on

The sigma 12-24 is great on ff I had that before 16-35 l
09/14/2012 12:35:52 PM · #23
my paid shoots are straight portrait work, no parties or weddings so i really dont need a backup. if my camera dies I'll cancel the shoot.

its only secondary income anyway.
09/14/2012 12:40:35 PM · #24
Originally posted by mike_311:

just out of curiosity is the 15mm/2.8 fish eye a specialty lens or will it give results similar to my 10-22 on my 60D at 10mm?


It's *much* wider, with 180° coverage (corner to corner) on FF. It's also pretty "fishy" on FF, very different from a rectilinear lens.
09/14/2012 12:45:21 PM · #25
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by mike_311:

just out of curiosity is the 15mm/2.8 fish eye a specialty lens or will it give results similar to my 10-22 on my 60D at 10mm?


It's *much* wider, with 180° coverage (corner to corner) on FF. It's also pretty "fishy" on FF, very different from a rectilinear lens.


thanks, i'll stay away from that.

anyone ever use sigma 15-30?

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