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01/16/2003 04:15:53 AM · #1
Hi All,

I own a Sony DSC P30, and am using it since a year. Now as I have the oppurtunity to go for an Digital SLR, which one would you guys prefer me to buy.

I am not about what kind of photohraphy I like to do, but I generally shhot whatever appeals me visually. I can say that I am good in photographing Landscapes and rural, but as a beginner I certainly do not want to restrict myself to a particular type of photography, and would like to learn various types after which I can see where am finding myself more satisfied.

I have read many reviews about Digital SLR's in various magazines, but its not a easy thing for me to decide. So I would prefer if you guys can throw a light on this, it would be a graet help for me.

I would be asking someone to buy this camera from US, so it would be great, if you can also give an approximate cost for the same.

Thanks all
Ashish Tibrewal
01/16/2003 07:18:27 AM · #2
First, you need to clearly define your needs, so you can be sure that these needs will be met by whichever camera you decide to purchase. There are many excellent brands offered today. Here are ten questions that may help you to focus in on the best camera for you. Others may offer other questions and recommendations too. So, good hunting.

1./ Do you have a camera with interchangeable lenses already? If yes, are you happy with it?

2. / Do you already own any accessories or more specifically, lenses?

3. / What is your schedule to make this purchase?

4. / What is your budget?

5. / The camera is an input device. You need to understand what your output will be in order to select a model that will deliver it for you. What sort of output do you envision?

6. / You mentioned landscapes, what other forms of photography do you like?

7. / Landscapes usually mean a wide-angle lens or a wide angle zoom. Many D-SLRs magnify the images by a factor of x1.5 or x1.6, so an extra wide-angle lens may be needed. Sometimes, two zooms are a good combination for a beginner. Can you afford the body and two lenses?

8. / Can you recharge batteries easily? If yes, it will impact the number of extra batteries that you may need.

9. / Do you own a flash? If no, or if the flash is not D-SLR compatible, you may need to purchase a new model.

10. / What local suppliers are there for after-sales service and support? Sometimes it is better to purchase your camera domestically rather than internationally because of warranties. Anything that you would save on duties and tariffs could be easily consumed in a warranty problem or an accidental damaging of the camera.
01/16/2003 07:21:14 AM · #3
Welcome in the club.
expect 2000-2400$ for the body uintil you jumpt tp the pro.
>Canon - D60 discontinued, nex model expected announcement for marh photo show
> Nikon D00
> Fuji S1 (nikon mount)
> Sigma SD9 tannounced (not sure available, 1800$) I guess
I personnaly have on my list tobuy list ;-) the FUJI S2

People who have already lenses wuld continue in the brand Canon/Nikon
People without lenses would make their choince depending on diff factors
None is a bad choice

What triggered me to S2 is :
- 6MP nominal ( capable of producing 9MPequivalent resolution picture in a 12MP file by special interpolatio due to technology of captor)
- From french magazine I trust, image are a little on the soft side, but with room from improvment (less internal processing than D60 and D100 in-camera)
- Less noise than other a 800ISO on S2 seems to be from pictures I have seen almost like a 400 on a nikon d100
- Fierewire connection
- AA (never remember how many as) std battery (a plus ofr me, a - for others)
- PC flash connector included

My 2 cents
Lionel

PS : I dunnot guys if you do it, but AMEX still price match stuuff .. so when you buy a new lens, you can buy to a local dealer and have AMEX price match with some ad i popular magazine. 90$ fee for the card, price match max is 1000$ per year up to 250 per item ....
PPS : I am not with AMEX .; I think it's a good way to save some dollars o to buy from a reliable place.

Message edited by author 2003-01-16 07:24:21.
01/16/2003 09:12:48 AM · #4
Canon D60
is your 2k model,
the D1 is nice too .. but they improved on it with a D1s .. but apparently according to the pro's it's not worth the change even though 13mp apparently wil be updated soon, but is 7k
if you are sticking to the 2k range .. then D60 is the one to go for as it is canon, nikon's are ok, but canons are better and they cost the same .. you'll much prefer the speed of a canon lense and frames per second are quicker too.
CANON CANON CANON

what else is there to say .. i mean canon .. and what is that about discontinued .. they are still trying to get them out the factory quick enough ...
01/16/2003 09:50:38 AM · #5
research, research and research. look all over the place for info. be careful because with any type of technology, new and improved versions are released all the time. I got my Fuji S1 pro last Feb (2002) and 6 months later the S2 came out. I didn't get the S2 and still love and use the S1 daily. But the S2 is on a list of must have's for my wedding business.

Dpreview posted that the D60 may be discontinued. I don't know anything about the D60 compared to other models, but be careful.

Type of photography may help lean to different DSLR's. If sports are big, D1's should be on your list. If not, other DSLR's are more than adequate for your needs.

Also, don't skimp on your lense. Make sure you put alot into a good lense right from the beginning. Get something very sharp!!! If you buy a 2-3000 camera, why save and buy a $100-200 lense (although you could get a great buy on a 50mm 1.8).

Think about renting a camera or lenses. I do that alot.
01/16/2003 10:25:28 AM · #6
Canon France has officially confirmed that the D60 is discontinued.

Personnally (without explicit knowledge) from what I read they are not producing it anymore even if some countried might have stocks.

I guess new model will be announced in feb to be presented in march at the photo show.

I am right now going for the S2 even if canon lenses are cheaper (they have several USM lens model in my range of price and they have the stabilizing feature in cheaper lenses than canon , even if I am not sure right now I need it).

Lionel
01/16/2003 10:28:10 AM · #7
Originally posted by lionelm:

Canon France has officially confirmed that the D60 is discontinued.

Personnally (without explicit knowledge) from what I read they are not producing it anymore even if some countried might have stocks.

I guess new model will be announced in feb to be presented in march at the photo show.

I am right now going for the S2 even if canon lenses are cheaper (they have several USM lens model in my range of price and they have the stabilizing feature in cheaper lenses than canon , even if I am not sure right now I need it).

Lionel


The only negative I've seen against the S2 is that it has been recalled at least a couple of times due to hardware problems.

Any one of the Canon, Nikon or Fuji cameras will no doubt give you astounding results, used properly. I'd recommend thinking carefully about which system has the best lenses that suit the type of photography you want to do as you'll be locked into that for quite a while. Also make sure you get the camera in your hands before you buy it, even if you plan on getting it over the internet. You want something that feels good in _your_ hands.
01/16/2003 12:05:45 PM · #8
I read on your bio that you are only 1 year into photography. The P30 is a pleasenouserinput 1.3 point and shoot. Nothing wrong with that, but are you sure that you want to jump to a dSLR right away?

I began with a P1 and have no experience with SLR type camera's (only normal point and shoot 35mm zooms and an APS point and shoot). The P1 is just as limited in its possibilites as the P30 and like you, I felt limited in my possibilities and wanted something else.

But as I was still very inexperienced (1,5 years of digital point and shoot, 2 years APS snapshots and 8 years 35mm snapshots) I decided to go for a pseudo dSLR like the Minolta 5/7/7i/7Hi, Fuji 4900/6900/602, Nikon 5000/5700, Sony F505/F707/717, Olympus E10/E20 (true mirror reflex by the way) etc, etc ,etc and learn to control all the manual settings and to learn what I do with the camera, what my goals are, what lens settings I use etc.
My reasons were threefold:
1) I take the time to learn to become better and less of a snapshooter and to make a better buying decision in the future.
2) It is a lot cheaper
3) dSLR are going to go down in price in the (near) future (the Pentax will be very reasonably priced and there is already a rumor that Canon will come with a 1400 dollar consumer dSLR) Doesn't mean it has to happen right away.

No talking you down, only intention is to present my view to help you make a good decision.

My intention is to wait 2 to 5 years before switching. In the mean time I can save up some money for the expensive lenses and other gear. :)
And perhaps there is such a high quality pseudo SLR with a good fixed zoom lens in a couple of years time that I might never switch.


01/16/2003 12:22:54 PM · #9
this was the promise of the e-10 and e-20. actually, i tell you this : if the e-10 had a good high iso mode, i'd probably never need another camera :)

Originally posted by Azrifel:

And perhaps there is such a high quality pseudo SLR with a good fixed zoom lens in a couple of years time that I might never switch.

01/16/2003 12:47:58 PM · #10
I was in my photography mega-store the other day and a local photo magazine writer was also there speaking to the manager along with me. The writer told us that he had just completed Canon interviews and the D60 is indeed being replaced, but by two cameras, not just one.

Apparently, there is a new D90 (or some similar name) coming and a lower cost Rebel model at about $1500 (unsure if it was quoted in CDN or USA dollars). The PMA is in the first week of March in Las Vegas and I suspect that we will all know more about the Canon situation by then.

I am a diehard Nikon guy, so I do not agree with some of the comments that were made above. Nikon is equal, if not better than the Canon offerings. Fuji makes a superior product too. They all have their pros and cons. And we all have our personal bias, just as I do. But in order to give useful advise to Ashish, we should try to remain more neutral and balanced so as to offer him advise that will be of value in his decision-making process.
01/16/2003 01:54:45 PM · #11
we all know that's 2 different world !
Like french and English people ?
;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
A french frog
01/16/2003 03:36:18 PM · #12
This link might give you some more food for thought. The prices would be about the same for any other DSLR system. Also recognise that your current computer might be okay with 3 or 4Mp files but may well struggle or be too slow for larger image files and you may need to upgrade that too.
01/16/2003 04:38:27 PM · #13
Hello fellow frog ... ribit! :)

Just so it relates to this thread: I'll be getting a D100 or S2 this summer since my wife has a Nikon N80 camera so I can use the lenses. From what I've read there isn't a whole lot of difference between the D60, D100, and S2.

Originally posted by lionelm:

we all know that's 2 different world !
Like french and English people ?
;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
A french frog

01/16/2003 05:10:30 PM · #14
Azrifel stated that you are only 1 year into photography and are making a big jump. But if the money/budget is there, do it. I went from a Sony Mavica FD-95 to the Fuji S1 pro and I don't regret it one bit. And I was in the same boat, 1 year into photography (not just digital).

There are tons of windows to be open with a DSLR. And the biggest is alot of money on extras (batteries, lenses, bag, digital media, CD's, etc).

By the way, if your considering the D100 or S2, nikons 80-200 is an awesome, AWESOME lense!!!
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