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08/14/2012 07:39:42 PM · #1 |
Excerpted from my image comments in response to a good, but "hidden during voting" comment.
"...it's like someone asking a master chef, "Did you cook this on an exceptionally good stovetop?"
Oh, nevermind. It's the agony of defeat. |
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08/14/2012 08:09:34 PM · #2 |
| okay... now you have my attention. did you receive this comment on an exceptionally fine day? |
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08/14/2012 08:14:43 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by tnun:
okay... now you have my attention. did you receive this comment on an exceptionally fine day? |
All my days are exceptionally fine.
The comment suggested my image capture was, and I quote, "...luck, and patience (or a huge lens)." Those are the comments of someone who believes it's the quality of the equipment which makes the shot, rather than the skill and experience of the photographer. Anecdotally, I see photogs with $15,000 camera rigs every day in the national park, who couldn't capture a quality image if it bit them.
Message edited by author 2012-08-14 20:16:43. |
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08/14/2012 10:33:56 PM · #4 |
| Richard, I hear you. You did say it was a good comment; I am not so sure. The cooking analogy is excellent. |
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08/14/2012 10:56:41 PM · #5 |
You might want to review your comments on the comment you received, take a deep breath and consider that you might just be engaging in a very similar type of activity.
I have no idea as to what shot your are referring to, but in a lot of instances, luck and patience do play a big role in capturing an image and having a long lens does not hurt either.
Ray |
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08/14/2012 11:13:24 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Excerpted from my image comments in response to a good, but "hidden during voting" comment.
"...it's like someone asking a master chef, "Did you cook this on an exceptionally good stovetop?"
Oh, nevermind. It's the agony of defeat. |
You have never made a comment that was a ?????? ? |
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08/14/2012 11:31:58 PM · #7 |
Throughout the years, when folks have said to me, "I love your photos! I need to get a camera like yours..."
I've sometimes replied (depending on whether I didn't mind offending... LOL!), "Yes, it's just like me coming to your house and enjoying a fabulous meal that you've cooked and telling you, 'That was DELICIOUS! What kind of stove do you have?'"
Yeah. Sometimes I'm obnoxious. *grin*
Message edited by author 2012-08-14 23:32:23. |
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08/14/2012 11:47:41 PM · #8 |
I've seen wonderful images from a Kodak 110 instamatic (that'll date you...).
On the other side, there is a reason the top professionals of any field usually have very expensive equipment, and I don't think it is because they have too much money. It also isn't unusual for top professionals to build their own equipment because there isn't anything on the market (at least that they can find) that will do the job they need done.
For example, I had an uncle that was a wood carver, and he built his own carving hood - partially because the ones on the market were too expensive, and partly because they didn't do as good a job as what he designed for himself. |
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08/15/2012 12:12:22 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Throughout the years, when folks have said to me, "I love your photos! I need to get a camera like yours..."
I've sometimes replied (depending on whether I didn't mind offending... LOL!), "Yes, it's just like me coming to your house and enjoying a fabulous meal that you've cooked and telling you, 'That was DELICIOUS! What kind of stove do you have?'"
Yeah. Sometimes I'm obnoxious. *grin* |
I usually just chuckle and tell them they really should... |
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08/15/2012 12:29:08 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Throughout the years, when folks have said to me, "I love your photos! I need to get a camera like yours..."
I've sometimes replied (depending on whether I didn't mind offending... LOL!), "Yes, it's just like me coming to your house and enjoying a fabulous meal that you've cooked and telling you, 'That was DELICIOUS! What kind of stove do you have?'"
Yeah. Sometimes I'm obnoxious. *grin* |
I usually just chuckle and tell them they really should... |
Hoping to pick it up used down the road?
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08/15/2012 03:02:07 AM · #11 |
| hey man, i could cook even better on a big honkin' Viking. and i find it's gawdawfulterrbull trying to get the shot i want with a pointnshoot. AND it's even harder to fry an egg with one. btw i thought the comment was very thoughtful. |
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08/15/2012 03:29:16 AM · #12 |
I won't cook better, no matter how expensive the stove, but I'll be a National Geographic regular contributor with just an upgrade of camera from my 400D to a second-hand 1DMKIII. I'm sure of it. I know I will. All my current bad images cannot be blamed on my lack of expertise.
1DMKIII
Second hand
Anyone?
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08/15/2012 03:45:22 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
The comment suggested my image capture was, and I quote, "...luck, and patience (or a huge lens)." |
I am left to wonder what else there is.
You figure out where a good image might happen, you go there and wait for it. You get lucky and all the elements you hoped would come together, do so, just as you thought they might. Aren't you lucky! And there you are, lucky you, with their right equipment to capture the shot you envisioned.
Anyone could have taken your shot given your equipment, just like I could have written any Beatles song, now that I have heard them a few thousand times, if only I owned a guitar like theirs. |
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08/15/2012 07:44:46 AM · #14 |
"...luck, and patience (or a huge lens)."
Hmmm.
Well, sure luck plays a role. What is often missed is that we have to know where to go, when to go, what equipment is required (and actually have researched it, invested in it and learned to use it). Then we actually have to go, and usually much more than once. And eventually, that shot will come, and when we get it we are in luck. Luck we made ourselves.
ETA:
@skewsme: Oh, yep, I could use one of them thar Viking ranges too!
Message edited by author 2012-08-15 07:46:23.
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08/15/2012 08:11:20 AM · #15 |
great equipment doesn't take better photos, it makes it easier to take great photos. Just like a great stove makes it easier to cook a great meal.
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08/15/2012 08:16:00 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by tnun:
okay... now you have my attention. did you receive this comment on an exceptionally fine day? |
All my days are exceptionally fine.
The comment suggested my image capture was, and I quote, "...luck, and patience (or a huge lens)." Those are the comments of someone who believes it's the quality of the equipment which makes the shot, rather than the skill and experience of the photographer. Anecdotally, I see photogs with $15,000 camera rigs every day in the national park, who couldn't capture a quality image if it bit them. |
I dont normally participate in threads like these, but I felt compelled to jump in. I went back and looked at the image and comment that was quoted above and I believe that your selective quotation and your comment afterward would be considered deceptive. This is the complete sentence - "These tend to take a combination of skill, luck, and patience (or a huge lens). " You make it sound, after your selective quote, like this person felt it takes no skill at all in capturing this image when he clearly does (that was his first statement made that you conveniently deleted from your quote). Extremely lame IMHO. And after looking at the commentors recent comments it is a bummer that any kind of complaint (especially one that I believe is improperly placed) is against them. People are often complaining about the lack of comments here, let alone long and well thought out ones. I would hope that the person who left those comments (who is also relatively new to DPC) doesnt come across this thread, get discouraged and stop.
ETA - the person is a long time member but a recent participant. That and I would love to have a Viking sitting in my kitchen.
Message edited by author 2012-08-15 08:18:41. |
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08/15/2012 09:17:57 AM · #17 |
| It seemed quite a reasonable comment to me Hahn, sometimes along with skill it does depend on what lens you have, I couldn't have got that shot for sure. |
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08/15/2012 09:23:50 AM · #18 |
This is why I comment seldom & cautiously.
To get a Viking, I'd need a better refrigerator also. Not to mention a better kitchen. And an assistant. Also, I'd need a more appreciative audience for the wonderful meals I'm sure I would create. |
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08/15/2012 10:09:55 AM · #19 |
I consider "luck" to be a compliment, in this situation: as the man said, "Luck is the residue of design."
R. |
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08/15/2012 11:16:26 AM · #20 |
| Is this the thread where I go to request a Viking range? |
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08/15/2012 11:28:57 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Is this the thread where I go to request a Viking range? |
i don't understand why people want a bonfire made from ransacked villages and corpses... ;-p |
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08/15/2012 11:50:31 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by RyanWareham:
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Is this the thread where I go to request a Viking range? |
i don't understand why people want a bonfire made from ransacked villages and corpses... ;-p |
corpses make the best cooking fuel |
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08/15/2012 01:22:29 PM · #23 |
| Ha. A nice smokey flavor. |
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08/15/2012 01:53:14 PM · #24 |
| start with a good knife sharpener, be he alive or be he dead... |
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08/15/2012 02:16:45 PM · #25 |
Why squash a man's dream that its simply the equipment holding him back? (lol)
I think its a good comment, the type of comment to reinvigorate a photographer who is somewhat out of "inspiration" to toss his Hasselblad H4D-60 Camera in the Bugatti Veyron, and drive down to his Villa in Positano for a month long stripped down "roughing it style" get back to basics photo shoot. |
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