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08/08/2012 04:16:53 AM · #26 |
Oh! Excellent. Thanks guys, I'll bring something nice for this one.
ETA: Wish it wasn't basic, due to the lack of ability to fix keystoning.... *shrug*
Still love basic, and have been wanting one of these, so wth, this should be interesting!
Message edited by author 2012-08-08 04:23:42. |
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08/08/2012 04:43:48 AM · #27 |
| Why basic?! In a challenge where it's so important to fix the lines we are not allowed to do that? |
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08/08/2012 05:35:48 AM · #28 |
BLUE IS MY FAVOURITE COLOUR AWAYS WAS ALWAYS WILL BE...
RE THIS CHALLENGE - ARCHITECTURE IN BLUE
I WILL BE GIVING OUT MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF  SHERPET STAR AWARDS FOR THIS ONE DOUBLE THE NORMAL SO KEEP WATCH AS YOUR IMAGE IN THIS CHALLENGE MAY BE THE LUCKY ONE TO RECEIVE MY SHERPET STAR AWARD OF EXCELLENCE.....
GOOD LUCK TO ALL FROM SHEZ
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08/08/2012 07:42:19 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Why basic?! In a challenge where it's so important to fix the lines we are not allowed to do that? |
biting my tongue... |
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08/08/2012 11:12:38 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Why basic?! In a challenge where it's so important to fix the lines we are not allowed to do that? |
It's not the first time either. Architecture IV, V, and VI were all basic, as was Emotive Architecture. You have to go back to 2006 to find an architecture challenge that allowed the use of Photoshop's perspective control. And we complained every time, but nothing's ever been done. Presumably because Langdon's in a hurry, just recycling the previous iterations without recalling the fuss.
Of course, THIS time around I have the TS lens, so I'm good to go. Except that everything around here's white, not blue, sigh... |
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08/08/2012 11:30:10 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
[quote=Alexkc]
Of course, THIS time around I have the TS lens, so I'm good to go. Except that everything around here's white, not blue, sigh... |
So, where you live, the buildings don't have windows that would reflect blue sky? |
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08/08/2012 11:37:49 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by h2:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
[quote=Alexkc]
Of course, THIS time around I have the TS lens, so I'm good to go. Except that everything around here's white, not blue, sigh... |
So, where you live, the buildings don't have windows that would reflect blue sky? |
"Compose an architectural shot using blue as your primary color."
This is Cape Cod, a little sandbar in the Atlantic. There are NO glass buildings out here, or at least none of which I'm aware. Our buildings have windows, of course, but I don't think a few windows reflecting blue sky would meet the challenge very well. It's a quandary.
BOATS we have. Naval Architecture, anyone? :-) |
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08/08/2012 12:26:30 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This is Cape Cod, a little sandbar in the Atlantic. There are NO glass buildings out here, or at least none of which I'm aware. Our buildings have windows, of course, but I don't think a few windows reflecting blue sky would meet the challenge very well. It's a quandary.
BOATS we have. Naval Architecture, anyone? :-) |
Editing is basic so you can change the color, right? Or what about playing with the white balance settings in camera or during conversion? White buildings should work beautifully then. |
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08/08/2012 12:29:57 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by nam:
Editing is basic so you can change the color, right? Or what about playing with the white balance settings in camera or during conversion? White buildings should work beautifully then. |
Well, you can change color but it has to be global, you can't select areas to change. I don't, personally, feel that just torquing color balance to make a predominately blue image is going to work very well, though I'm certainly considering it. We DO have blue houses around here, but it's hard to imagine an ordinary house holding its own in a field filled with dramatic skyscrapers reflecting blue sky. Just thinking out loud here... |
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08/08/2012 12:47:33 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Except that everything around here's white, not blue, sigh... |
If you take a look at Cory's suggestion it includes examples of buildings with a cold tone of black & white, so I don't think it's a matter of something really blue. |
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08/08/2012 12:54:52 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Well, you can change color but it has to be global, you can't select areas to change. |
The techniques outlined in the tutorial Selective Desaturation Within the Basic Rules can be used to shift colors around in addition to creating selective desaturation. |
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08/08/2012 01:00:18 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by nam:
Editing is basic so you can change the color, right? Or what about playing with the white balance settings in camera or during conversion? White buildings should work beautifully then. |
Well, you can change color but it has to be global, you can't select areas to change. I don't, personally, feel that just torquing color balance to make a predominately blue image is going to work very well, though I'm certainly considering it. We DO have blue houses around here, but it's hard to imagine an ordinary house holding its own in a field filled with dramatic skyscrapers reflecting blue sky. Just thinking out loud here... |
Some of us did beach with no sand ... just saying:)
edit to add... I shouldn't just "say". I DO realize the rules were a bit different. But my point is that i "know" Robert will figure a creative way around this.
Message edited by author 2012-08-08 13:02:04. |
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08/08/2012 01:06:11 PM · #38 |
Well it can be an indoor shot of architecture I guess. Or it could focus on a small aspect of a building e.g. A fence?
Or not? |
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08/08/2012 01:07:52 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Well, you can change color but it has to be global, you can't select areas to change. |
The techniques outlined in the tutorial Selective Desaturation Within the Basic Rules can be used to shift colors around in addition to creating selective desaturation. |
continuing to bite tongue... |
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08/08/2012 01:28:25 PM · #40 |
It seems counter to the spirit of the thing to make blue what was not blue to begin with in order to have "blue architecture". I don't have any objection to changing the colors of things for artistic effect (I've done it a whole lot myself) but when a challenge calls for "pink" or "blue" or whatever I always feel weird changing something's color in post solely to meet the challenge. I mean, I've DONE it, but lately I ask myself "What's the POINT?"
This is just a personal bit of angst, mind you, but what I want to do is shoot some architecture that's naturally blue, with my new TS lens, and I don't know where any is around here, so Im vaguely bummed. |
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08/08/2012 01:34:33 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This is just a personal bit of angst, mind you, but what I want to do is shoot some architecture that's naturally blue, with my new TS lens, and I don't know where any is around here, so Im vaguely bummed. |
road trip. |
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08/08/2012 01:46:24 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
continuing to bite tongue... |
Hey, just trying to offer options to deal with the situation as it is -- I'd love to be able to use the Advanced rules myself, but also have no say in the matter ... SC members have no more idea what challenge will be posted than ayone else. |
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08/08/2012 01:46:32 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It seems counter to the spirit of the thing to make blue what was not blue to begin with in order to have "blue architecture". I don't have any objection to changing the colors of things for artistic effect (I've done it a whole lot myself) but when a challenge calls for "pink" or "blue" or whatever I always feel weird changing something's color in post solely to meet the challenge. I mean, I've DONE it, but lately I ask myself "What's the POINT?"
This is just a personal bit of angst, mind you, but what I want to do is shoot some architecture that's naturally blue, with my new TS lens, and I don't know where any is around here, so Im vaguely bummed. |
And to think, I was terrified of you when the challenge was announced as basic, ya know, given your new baby and all... ;) |
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08/08/2012 01:48:04 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by mike_311:
continuing to bite tongue... |
... SC members have no more idea what challenge will be posted than ayone else. |
Wasn't I ranting about this just a week or two ago?
Still say you wonderful folks should have a two hour window to fix things before it's posted.... I don't see that as any advantage to you lot, and it would certainly benefit the site as a whole, as I'm betting that there's no darn way this would have been setup as a basic editing challenge otherwise. |
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08/08/2012 02:02:28 PM · #45 |
Something like a duotone could work well, I think.
ETA: Robert's latest post hadn't been loaded when I posted this... I get what he means, I operate largely under the same mindset. There are ways around it, but it involves a different approach, namely one focused on artificial light.
A fence, on the other hand... will likely feel the wrath of DNMC.
Message edited by author 2012-08-08 14:05:12. |
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08/08/2012 02:17:33 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Cory:
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Still say you wonderful folks should have a two hour window to fix things before it's posted.... I don't see that as any advantage to you lot, and it would certainly benefit the site as a whole, as I'm betting that there's no darn way this would have been setup as a basic editing challenge otherwise. |
I'm new here (7 months as a member), but I've shot for a fair number of challenges (50) and read the forum threads on every challenge I've entered and then some. I'm probably exaggerating, but I think I could count the times I've seen a challenge announced without also seeing someone complaining about the rule set assigned to it, esp. if it's not advanced. I'm not seeing how the site council (or anyone else) could "fix" this. Here's an idea: decide on the ratio of minimal to basic to advanced to expert challenges there will be in, say, a month (1:2:9:1 or 2:3:6:2 or whatever), write them on slips of paper (no new programming necessary), and draw for each challenge topic. |
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08/08/2012 02:21:38 PM · #47 |
I think DPC like's architecture in blue...or maybe it's just San Diego :P
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08/08/2012 02:23:22 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by nam:
Originally posted by Cory:
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Still say you wonderful folks should have a two hour window to fix things before it's posted.... I don't see that as any advantage to you lot, and it would certainly benefit the site as a whole, as I'm betting that there's no darn way this would have been setup as a basic editing challenge otherwise. |
I'm new here (7 months as a member), but I've shot for a fair number of challenges (50) and read the forum threads on every challenge I've entered and then some. I'm probably exaggerating, but I think I could count the times I've seen a challenge announced without also seeing someone complaining about the rule set assigned to it, esp. if it's not advanced. I'm not seeing how the site council (or anyone else) could "fix" this. Here's an idea: decide on the ratio of minimal to basic to advanced to expert challenges there will be in, say, a month (1:2:9:1 or 2:3:6:2 or whatever), write them on slips of paper (no new programming necessary), and draw for each challenge topic. |
It's more of a case of appropriateness.
For architecture, straight and parallel lines are considered super important, but without very expensive equipment (the aforemention TS lens), it's very hard to do this without some distortion in post, which is allowed under advanced, but disallowed under basic.
At the very least, it would have been great if an extra rule had been added to allow for perspective correction, given the particular nature of this challenge. Also, there is the small fact that I originally stated, clearly and with reason, that this should be advanced editing.
*shrug*
Still happy to see the subject come up, and this will just make it more difficult for those who aren't well equipped and practiced.
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08/08/2012 02:28:32 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by nam:
Here's an idea: decide on the ratio of minimal to basic to advanced to expert challenges there will be in, say, a month (1:2:9:1 or 2:3:6:2 or whatever), write them on slips of paper (no new programming necessary), and draw for each challenge topic. |
That's not the issue, with "architecture". Here's what's happening: For some reason, management has gotten into the habit (going back SIX YEARS) to schedule architecture challenges under the basic ruleset. But photoshop has some really terrific tools designed to correct perspective issues that arise when we try to shoot tall, rectilinear subjects with conventional lenses. Perspective controls, skew controls, absolutely DESIGNED for architectural shooting; AND WE CAN'T USE 'EM UNDER THE BASIC RULESET.
Not only that, but the classic discipline of architectural photography (and I did this for a living for a quarter century) embraces serious dodging and burning to lighten up shadows and control over-bright foregrouinds and skies to bring the emphasis down on the structure, AND WE CAN'T DO THAT UNDER THE BASIC RULESET.
So it just seems silly. I mean. one or two basic architecture challenges, sure, why not? But EVERY BLASTED ONE OF THEM FOR SIX YEARS? C'mon!
Message edited by author 2012-08-08 14:30:00. |
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08/08/2012 02:39:05 PM · #50 |
| Instead of ranting in the forums, why doesn't the first person who notices the problem simply send an Administrative Ticket directly to Langdon, who is the only person who can effect the necessary change? Note that this has been done in the thread (if one gets started), and then everyone can get back to shooting, since there is nothing further possible to be done about it. It's not a magic formula ... |
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