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07/19/2012 05:34:09 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Mond:
In my opinion, a strong critique/comment can only be valid when given by someone qualified to do so. If I receive such, I first check the commenter's own successes to see if he/she has a sound track record. |
I think you can do that to see how valid their comment might or might not be. However, many people know and can articulate what they like without having the skills or the want to produce the same.
I can go to a restaurant and eat a meal that I later say I liked or didn't like and say exactly what I thought about it. Does my inability to cook and produce any meal that doesn't come out of the freezer section mean my assessment of the meal I ate is invalid? Hardly. |
Quite well put. |
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07/19/2012 05:55:00 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Mond:
In my opinion, a strong critique/comment can only be valid when given by someone qualified to do so. If I receive such, I first check the commenter's own successes to see if he/she has a sound track record. |
I have a rule that I generally don't give any credence to forum posts of members who haven't been here for at least 6 years.
Just kidding.
If your goal is to win medals at all cost, than to check the "track record" is valid. If your expansion of yourself as a photographer-artist matters, than that might not be so wise a position.
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07/19/2012 05:55:42 PM · #78 |
double post sorry/
Message edited by author 2012-07-19 17:56:06. |
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07/19/2012 07:38:36 PM · #79 |
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Message edited by author 2012-07-19 19:57:09. |
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07/19/2012 08:25:02 PM · #80 |
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07/22/2012 04:45:55 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by Mond:
In my opinion, a strong critique/comment can only be valid when given by someone qualified to do so. If I receive such, I first check the commenter's own successes to see if he/she has a sound track record. |
Please do define what your guidelines might be for having a qualified opinion.
I thought an impression of an image was something you were allowed to have simply by viewing it.......silly me....
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07/22/2012 04:58:04 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
Do I sound a little miffed here? Here is the clincher. If I take the same subject as another dp person, and that person has a high end camera and lens, and all the bells and whistles, it won't matter that the subject is the same. They will get a 7 and I will get a 5. That is the reality of DP. |
Pretty much a cop-out, and pretty much untrue.....do you like it when someone looks at your work and says, "Oh.....you must have a terrific camera!"?
You know better than that....so why would you basically say the DPC stars only are so because of equipment?
I also don't buy the whole "don't have the subject material" thing either.
And as for the studio thing.......well, a bedsheet, a worklite from Home Depot (@$12.99), and some well-positioned posterboard will make a studio.
As long as you continue to tell yourself you can't do this, you won't be able to......most of the DPC stars started with low end cameras and got 4-6 scores when they started. Not that I'm any star, but I still know I know I damn near had a party when I got my first 6. I'm also not sure, after looking at your challenge history and seeing how many 6+ scores you have, what it is you're grumbling about.
This site can and will help you if you work at it.
Message edited by author 2012-07-22 05:00:37.
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07/22/2012 06:33:12 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
Here is the clincher. If I take the same subject as another dp person, and that person has a high end camera and lens, and all the bells and whistles, it won't matter that the subject is the same. They will get a 7 and I will get a 5. That is the reality of DP. |
That is just not true and one of the worst statements ever.
not to mention really annoying. |
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07/22/2012 06:45:21 AM · #84 |
| I heard a radio interview with a famous photographer who said he was at a renown restaurant where a socialite remarked how good his photos were, and gee you must have a fantastic camera. The photographer waited to the end of the dinner and remarked loudly to the waiter, that was a wonderful meal, gee your chef must have a fantastic stove. |
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07/22/2012 08:49:44 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
I do not live in a lovely natural landscape |
Just had to come back to this......you live in Connecticut. You are not far from the ocean, and having spent four years there in prep school, I would have to say that the idea that there is no lovely landscape is just ludicrous. Some of the loveliest places and many truly wonderful historic sites are right at your back door.
Check out this site:Official Connecticut Visitor's Guide:Historic Getaways
Yeah, the people in Annapolis have an advantage in a sailing ships challenge, and Colorado will have an edge for a mountains challenge, but somehow we all manage, despite where we live to rise to the occasion and come up with things for the various challenges.
I know I appreciate where I live *much* more than I ever did simply because the challenges have done just that.......challenged me to seek out and find the special things and places in my beloved home town.
Honestly, what is it that you want? If you can't find natural beauty right where you live, or very nearby, I recommend you move, because this country has beauty everywhere.
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07/22/2012 08:59:56 AM · #86 |
| Makes me laugh when people think you need a great camera to take great pictures, if you don't have the vision to begin with you'll never get a great shot no matter what material you have. My camera is set in permanent aperture priority mode and I hardly change anything anymore, to such an extent that I forget what all the other bells and whistles are for. Who cares it's just a tool to capture how and what we see, we don't need powerfull or complicated for that, unless of course we are trying to copy somebody else's vision but that's another subject. |
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07/22/2012 09:15:18 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
Do I sound a little miffed here? Here is the clincher. If I take the same subject as another dp person, and that person has a high end camera and lens, and all the bells and whistles, it won't matter that the subject is the same. They will get a 7 and I will get a 5. That is the reality of DP. |
DPC helps when you realize that you don't want to get the expensive stuff, but you work with what you have to improve your skills.
Think of DPC as school. How you use it, and how you stretch and grow is all do to what you put into it and how you use it. When a challenge comes up, and I don't know what to do with it, or if it doesn't interest me, I go study things for awhile. I look up photos on 1x, on 500px, and I find out what I like, what I don't like, and what I want to do differently to put my own stamp on it. Ubique (I think it was him...) recommended "the photo book" to learn more about other styles and other photographers. That's what I'm doing to expand my horizons a bit at a time.
Everything we do becomes a part of who we are. So I'm using DPC to get as much as I can. I'm not just doing the things I want or enjoy -- I'm doing it all, and learning with each and every challenge. |
I thank you for your wisdom, but in all honesty, I am never going to get any better, no matter how much I am told how to do it by DP, by associates, by local artists. I am what I am, and that is why I don't stay at DP for lengthy periods of time. I did in the beginning, but found it too frustrating, so every year I entered fewer challenges. As of now, I may enter 5 to 8 a year, or maybe just 3, or maybe none. It will not affect my time with my camera because I need to go out with my camera at least once a week, but it usually ends up being every day. I now shoot to paint. Everything I want to photograph is usually because I think I might want to paint it. I also am big time into birds, love birds, go all over the state to photograph birds, will be shooting birds when I am in Niagara Falls next week, and am part of EBird, Cornell Ornithology, CT. Audubon, and keep a life list. I however, am a terrible bird photographer. That does not stop me, though. I will keep records, file reports, and participate in bird counts. Actually I think I am really a terrible photographer, and that is probably why I can't stay with DP for long. I have no strengths, I just take lots and lots of photos, have been since I was 10, and still find I can't do much with it, even after high school classes, NY Institute of Photography, college courses, and DP. I am a lost cause. There are a few of us on this arena that just can't be helped. |
Naw...
You're wrong. :)
Your shot in the recent bird challenge may not have scored super well, but if you look at the comments by the nature photographers, you'll notice they thought it was an excellent capture. Yup, it's noisy, and the composition could be a little better -- but it's a fantastic capture. The settings can come, the processing can come. A capture like that shows that you have the patience and the knowledge to do it. (knowledge meaning nature knowledge -- knowing your subjects and what to watch for. That's the hardest part about nature photography. As jagar says, my camera is in permanent aperture priority mode. For wildlife, I have it wide open, and pretty much only change the ISO to account for how much light I have so I can stop action. Keep shooting and have faith in yourself.
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07/22/2012 09:35:22 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
Do I sound a little miffed here? Here is the clincher. If I take the same subject as another dp person, and that person has a high end camera and lens, and all the bells and whistles, it won't matter that the subject is the same. They will get a 7 and I will get a 5. That is the reality of DP. |
DPC helps when you realize that you don't want to get the expensive stuff, but you work with what you have to improve your skills.
Think of DPC as school. How you use it, and how you stretch and grow is all do to what you put into it and how you use it. When a challenge comes up, and I don't know what to do with it, or if it doesn't interest me, I go study things for awhile. I look up photos on 1x, on 500px, and I find out what I like, what I don't like, and what I want to do differently to put my own stamp on it. Ubique (I think it was him...) recommended "the photo book" to learn more about other styles and other photographers. That's what I'm doing to expand my horizons a bit at a time.
Everything we do becomes a part of who we are. So I'm using DPC to get as much as I can. I'm not just doing the things I want or enjoy -- I'm doing it all, and learning with each and every challenge. |
I thank you for your wisdom, but in all honesty, I am never going to get any better, no matter how much I am told how to do it by DP, by associates, by local artists. I am what I am, and that is why I don't stay at DP for lengthy periods of time. I did in the beginning, but found it too frustrating, so every year I entered fewer challenges. As of now, I may enter 5 to 8 a year, or maybe just 3, or maybe none. It will not affect my time with my camera because I need to go out with my camera at least once a week, but it usually ends up being every day. I now shoot to paint. Everything I want to photograph is usually because I think I might want to paint it. I also am big time into birds, love birds, go all over the state to photograph birds, will be shooting birds when I am in Niagara Falls next week, and am part of EBird, Cornell Ornithology, CT. Audubon, and keep a life list. I however, am a terrible bird photographer. That does not stop me, though. I will keep records, file reports, and participate in bird counts. Actually I think I am really a terrible photographer, and that is probably why I can't stay with DP for long. I have no strengths, I just take lots and lots of photos, have been since I was 10, and still find I can't do much with it, even after high school classes, NY Institute of Photography, college courses, and DP. I am a lost cause. There are a few of us on this arena that just can't be helped. |
Naw...
You're wrong. :)
Your shot in the recent bird challenge may not have scored super well, but if you look at the comments by the nature photographers, you'll notice they thought it was an excellent capture. Yup, it's noisy, and the composition could be a little better -- but it's a fantastic capture. The settings can come, the processing can come. A capture like that shows that you have the patience and the knowledge to do it. (knowledge meaning nature knowledge -- knowing your subjects and what to watch for. That's the hardest part about nature photography. As jagar says, my camera is in permanent aperture priority mode. For wildlife, I have it wide open, and pretty much only change the ISO to account for how much light I have so I can stop action. Keep shooting and have faith in yourself. |
^----- What she said....
Seriously though, you aren't a bad photographer and your gear doesn't matter (take a look at the Canon S95 page if you don't believe me, I've managed to get four 6+ scores with this little point and shoot body, and one six with it's predecessor the S90)...
Hey, it looks like you too have gotten a six plus with a point and shoot! 
FYI - if you want to upgrade, you can easily get a digital rebel XT and a couple of lenses (50mm f/1.8 & EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS) off e-bay for under $150 and under $100 if you REALLY try hard, that would be a huge upgrade, and well worth the money.
Message edited by author 2012-07-22 09:35:47. |
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