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08/12/2004 09:10:36 PM · #1
Are you still happy with your camera? Would you do it again? Are the kit lenses it come with worth anything?

Thanks.
08/12/2004 09:55:28 PM · #2
I am really happy with mine. I don't think I would buy anything else unless sigma can out with one with a larger chip. I read the sigma forum for about a month before I bought mine,so was aware of it's problems but decided to buy it anyway because of the chip. I've been looking at old process photographs, the ones made with view cameras, and there is a difference in detail that can be noticed on prints as small as 4x6. I don't think there is any other digital camera in this price range that can come close to capturing those tiny details. I don't have to sharpen my pictures out of this camera so any detail that is there is actual detail. But then, I love my camera so I might be biased. I paid full price when it was high and still don't regret it. It has performed well for 1 1/2 years with only one trip to the shop, and that was because the ac adaptor malfuntioned, not the camera. I've taken 17,000 pictures so far, dropped it a few times, taken it out in thunder storms and done most of the things one shouldn't do to a camera. Truth in advertising here, it is experiencing some problems now and I'm thinking about sending it in for a checkup. I think it has to do with the last fall it took. Been goofy ever since it fell off my desk a week ago. I think I loosened the ac port's electronics. It was plugged in and I think it landed on the place it was connected.
I bought my lenses separate. The 50 and 105 macro are the best all round. I do have the cheap 24/70 and it does an ok job with no ca most of the time and generally good sharpness.
One day I will be able to upgrade to the sd10 or, hopefully, a newer one. The only thing I find sad is that I'm not a good enough photographer to live up to the camera's abilities.
08/12/2004 09:56:37 PM · #3
*Invades* Canon forever!
08/15/2004 09:56:08 AM · #4
Anyone else? (I just don't think wwwavenger is un bias on this one.)
08/15/2004 10:56:33 AM · #5
I don't have one. The price to me is prohibitive. I'm thinking to upgrade to a Nikon D70. But I'm a Sigma SD fan. The Foveon sensor is the best capture sensor on the world at now. It reduces artifacts of the Bayer Array, improve the dinamyc range (film latitude) and reveal the color casting more naturally.
I had taken some shots with this marvelous camera one day, the SD9 version. I felt the body design (really a Nikon based desig) no so expressive. It has the correct weigh. Battery longs enoght. The file sizes wipes out my card, you need to carry a large one. It is staedy to shot. As quick to respond as Cannon 300D or 10D, nothing supperb here.

Image quality is very well, no needs sharpening, no needs tonal range adjustments to a corrected exposed picture. You can adjust to your artistical view, but can print directly.

The lenses it uses are my only negative point. Sigma is not the gratest lens manufacturer at now. It produces second line lenses to Canon and Nikon. It's MTF is lower than Zeis, Nikon and Canon. Sigma offer an lens thread adapter to Nikon AF and Canon EF, but I don't know this issue and your colaterals.

My tought about cameras are that you have two points to capture well an image:
1) The lenses. How best the lenses, better the image. It's why the large format lenses are all primes (no zoom, only one focal length). Very simple, in construction, very powerfull in performance.
2) The "film". A great film, is the one that can capture all detais the the lens provide. In this case, the Foveon X3 sensor is the best "Film" available to Digital camera at now.

Conclusion: You can have a great body and perfect lens, but your camera needs to capture it as well as you get.

If I had the money... it will be a certainly shoot.
08/15/2004 12:26:07 PM · #6
I would spend some time looking at photo from the S9 and S10, you
can see a lot of them here.
//www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma
The images are very sharp but there tends to be a bit more noise in the skys then most other cameras. Most sigma owns seem to be very happy
with their cameras, many who do not own them hate them for a number of
reason, not all of which a valid.
08/15/2004 05:53:13 PM · #7
Originally posted by GoodEnd:


The lenses it uses are my only negative point. Sigma is not the gratest lens manufacturer at now. It produces second line lenses to Canon and Nikon. It's MTF is lower than Zeis, Nikon and Canon. Sigma offer an lens thread adapter to Nikon AF and Canon EF, but I don't know this issue and your colaterals.


Lens thread adapter? Could you give me a link? Would this adapter allow me to use F-mount lenses on a Sigma Camera??

Long story short. I am firmly entreanched Nikon man at work because we have about $10,000 in F-mount Nikkor lenses most of which are macro lense. I have a huge budget for lenses and cameras where I work (explains the D1x).... so, NIkkor F-mount adapter could come in handy.

I have little to no budget for a personal camera since it comes out of my wallet. I realize I will never be able to afford "Designer Lenses" I'll always be buying Sigma lenses anyway so why not get the Sigma SLR.

Anyway, Lens Thread Adapter?


08/15/2004 06:39:34 PM · #8
How about the dust, the three main problems I have with the SD cameras are:

1) High iso performance is poor
2) Dust, dust, dust*
3) Sigma lenses don't cover what I want

*I have yet to see reviewer's samples that are dustfree. Because of that I got the feeling that the sensor is a dust magnet.

Message edited by author 2004-08-15 18:40:50.
08/16/2004 01:17:26 PM · #9
Anymore owner?
08/16/2004 01:39:31 PM · #10
Originally posted by JoelHSmith:

Originally posted by GoodEnd:


The lenses it uses are my only negative point. Sigma is not the gratest lens manufacturer at now. It produces second line lenses to Canon and Nikon. It's MTF is lower than Zeis, Nikon and Canon. Sigma offer an lens thread adapter to Nikon AF and Canon EF, but I don't know this issue and your colaterals.


Lens thread adapter? Could you give me a link? Would this adapter allow me to use F-mount lenses on a Sigma Camera??

I found it at a DPREVIEW Forum. But I donĀ“t confirm the information. You can try to check at Sigma website and B&H.

Long story short. I am firmly entreanched Nikon man at work because we have about $10,000 in F-mount Nikkor lenses most of which are macro lense. I have a huge budget for lenses and cameras where I work (explains the D1x).... so, NIkkor F-mount adapter could come in handy.

I have little to no budget for a personal camera since it comes out of my wallet. I realize I will never be able to afford "Designer Lenses" I'll always be buying Sigma lenses anyway so why not get the Sigma SLR.

Anyway, Lens Thread Adapter?
08/16/2004 02:01:23 PM · #11
There is an adaptor built in Japan to allow the use of m42(?) mount lens. I don't have it but it does let the photographer have the ability to use fine old glass on their camera. Mcmurma has the adaptor. Maybe you should pm him with any questions you have. I didn't mention it, but you can download photopro and a full size raw image from the sigma site. You would be able to see a picture pixel by pixel and compare it with other full size pictures you might have from other cameras.
Azrifel, I didn't realize you had used this camera before. Or are your statements only your opinions based on what facts? Or are you saying that no other dslr has any dust? You are right about iso on the sd9 but it was improved on the sd10. The lens problem isn't one if you consider the number of rebels sporting sigma glass.

08/16/2004 02:15:19 PM · #12
I went for the SD9 about a year ago because it was cheap, AND the sample images I printed (comparable images from the D100, D60, and SD9 found on DPreview) were the best of the lot. I waffled for over a month because of the 3mp vs 6mp issue but in the end I decided that the resolution of the the SD9 was at least comparable, and in good light even better than the 6mp cameras. (This is to my eyes, ok. I will NOT entertain an arguement over this. After all, if you can't print it and see it for yourself as I did, there is no way can I explain it to you!) I still feel this way after using the cam for a while. In fact, I like it even more.

I will admit that at higher iso's and in low light the camera is severely challenged. However, it is far from unusable, it just requires more care than others. The SD10 seems to have improved the high iso and low-light performance issues a great deal, but I have not used one and can't comment fairly on its abilities. But for the SD9, the bottom line is that it is not a good low-light camera and I would NOT reccomend it to anyone needing to do lots of this type of work.

As for the ability to use other lenses... There is a guy in Japan that has been promising (for about a year now) to develop an adapter that allows the use of Nikon lenses. However, as far I know its still under development. I don't believe any have shipped yet... at least not to my knowledge. You can contact him through this site. //www.d-shell.net

I purchased a Sigma to Pentax screw adapter from this site when I got my SD9. Now I use old Pentax M42 lenses almost exclusively. Not because Sigma lenses suck, but because they are expensive. And I rather like using the old fully manual lenses. There is something satisfying about making images with 40 year old lenses that I am at a loss to explain. It may be that the images are of such good quality (which I feel they are) or it may just be some twisted macho appeal. I dunno. I just like using them :)
08/16/2004 02:28:47 PM · #13
Originally posted by pcody:


Azrifel, I didn't realize you had used this camera before. Or are your statements only your opinions based on what facts? Or are you saying that no other dslr has any dust? You are right about iso on the sd9 but it was improved on the sd10. The lens problem isn't one if you consider the number of rebels sporting sigma glass.


No I haven't used it, but was very interested in it for a while. I have had the SD9 in my hands at a local store, but shot no pics with it (didn't allow me to take it outside). So I downloaded about thirthy fullsize samples from reviewers and Sigma sites. Dust was mentioned by reviewers as a problem, because it was very hard to get rid off. When even an official Sigma Japan sample (the photo of the church) and an offical Sigma UK sample (the one with the signboard) clearly show dust on the sensor, it scares me a bit as a potential buyer. Sure, you can clone it out, sure other cameras also have dust issues, but for me Sigma a bit more than others.
The colors and sharpness of the samples is awesome however. I worked with some in Photoshop and could res them up to 6mp bayer resolutions with ease and without loss of detail. Prints were great as well.
I could live with the dust, but the ISO performance and lenses were more important factors for what I want to do with my future camera (non-flash high iso fast prime photography indoors is important for me to start with). I am not saying that Sigma lenses are bad.
Any idea what Sigma might offer at Photokina?
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