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08/11/2004 07:57:01 AM · #1
I was going to enter this on as a vanishing point, but thought the Christian overtones would have reduced the scores. Was I right or wrong. Just curious. Van



Shot out 10th floor office in Denver. The sky was gray & white, I changed it to blue by grayscaling, RGB, and adding blue color.
08/17/2004 04:13:45 PM · #2
Well, it's been a week since your post. I'm glad I could battle through the flock of responses to get a word in edgewise.

Perhaps no one has said anything as they are afraid to address the "christian overtones" line. Let me put those fears to rest by leaving this reminder that mythological sky-beings and "inspiration from above" are not the exclusive provinces of xian practice.

Location (in this case Denver) is also no clue to the source of such a manifestation other than the relative positions of the physical conditions involved.

There is nothing in this pic which would obviously point to any particular belief system in the way that a building or symbol would. Throwing such a blanket over the work of art, either by the artist or the viewer, is as crippling to the art as it is in real life.

So, with that said, and taking the dogmatically non-specific title into consideration, the way is clear to assess the photo on the criteria of meeting the challenge alone (which to me, it doesn't quite).

08/17/2004 04:27:06 PM · #3
Originally posted by postaltheclown:

Well, it's been a week since your post. I'm glad I could battle through the flock of responses to get a word in edgewise.

Perhaps no one has said anything as they are afraid to address the "christian overtones" line. Let me put those fears to rest by leaving this reminder that mythological sky-beings and "inspiration from above" are not the exclusive provinces of xian practice.



So, with that said, and taking the dogmatically non-specific title into consideration, the way is clear to assess the photo on the criteria of meeting the challenge alone (which to me, it doesn't quite).


You are missing the little Christian Cross in the bottom left-hand side of the image. That's the 'Christian overtones' in this image.

Personally, I have no problem with it and I can't see reasonable Christians being upset or otherwise bothered by such an image. However, there are those more zealous Christians that would start proclaiming how 'Jesus Inspired' your shot is and invariably it could bring out some anti-Religion kooks and create a massive flamewar...

...but probably it wouldn't.

Honestly, if that image would bring a firestorm controversy a recent image that I missed entering into a challenge would have definately done so... only nobody said anything about the theme...



I was originally going to slap the snarky band-name of 'Depresingly Perfect Christians' as a satirical jab at those 'Holier then thou' Christians that seem so prevalent these days. BTW, I am not a Christian, just a Deist that isn't 'Anti-Organized Religion' as many Deists can be.

In fact, nobody has said a darn thing about my image, although more then 50 people have looked at it...

Message edited by author 2004-08-17 16:27:30.
08/17/2004 04:41:06 PM · #4
I love it.
the cross might have been missed by some people,
is that god in the clouds?
hehehe...
08/17/2004 04:57:41 PM · #5
Originally posted by Nelzie:

You are missing the little Christian Cross in the bottom left-hand side of the image. That's the 'Christian overtones' in this image.

I was originally going to slap the snarky band-name of 'Depresingly Perfect Christians' as a satirical jab at those 'Holier then thou' Christians that seem so prevalent these days. BTW, I am not a Christian, just a Deist that isn't 'Anti-Organized Religion' as many Deists can be.

In fact, nobody has said a darn thing about my image, although more then 50 people have looked at it...


Yes, I did miss the cross... sorry, it just goes to show either how unobservant I am or how little notice I give those things or both. But I will stick to my general point though,as the cross, if noticed and considered, could represent generic mythology. I would still ask that one consider the pic on it's meeting the challenge.
Your cover meets the challenge, though and your title could still be seen as a wry bit of sarcasm when one considers that each of the hundreds of xian sects consider themselves "distinctly perfect."


08/17/2004 05:32:55 PM · #6
50/33,920 = # of pixels in cross/# of pixels in picture

(Yup. I missed it too.)
08/17/2004 05:52:57 PM · #7
I would still ask that one consider the pic on it's meeting the challenge. -postaltheclown

I think it totally fits the challenge, if someone can get away with taking a picture of a toilet, or crosses at a graveyard, both of which are definate "vanishing points" then the sun rays on a cross fits as a VP
08/17/2004 07:33:52 PM · #8
IMO it looks like an angel in the clouds.
08/17/2004 07:51:19 PM · #9
It's a great photo.
08/17/2004 08:15:40 PM · #10
Hi vtruan,
Just dropping you a quick note to say how much I like your image "Inspiration Point". It strikes me as one of those moments where nature and circumstance come together and the photographer adds his or her own angle to create the picture. These are the most inspirational types of photos to me. Thanks for posting it.
Kieran.
08/17/2004 08:33:12 PM · #11
Originally posted by ericlimon:

I would still ask that one consider the pic on it's meeting the challenge. -postaltheclown

I think it totally fits the challenge, if someone can get away with taking a picture of a toilet, or crosses at a graveyard, both of which are definate "vanishing points" then the sun rays on a cross fits as a VP


You can enter anything. Whether you 'get away with' an entry is another story. Expect the voters will have the final say - as always.

In this case, I'm having trouble, even after seeing the cross in the lower left, in finding the vanishing point in this very nice image.
08/17/2004 09:00:58 PM · #12
Thanks for the comments of the shot. The church cross was black and really lost. By accident when I colored the image blue, the cross went light, so I then lightened it more to increase the view. Yes it was small, but that's is why I brought up the subject, we see numerous holes in the sky inpiration shots, but the cross was my real point of comment.

What I've seen is ocassionally there are definately shots that show icons of religion or beliefs getting undeserved low scores. I thought this might lead to some interesting thoughts from folks. I hope people do look at photos and vote the shots for the challenge not what they may show, but I do understand some folks find some shots distasteful and should vote their conscious. Thanks again... Van
08/17/2004 09:43:12 PM · #13
Originally posted by vtruan:

I was going to enter this on as a vanishing point, but thought the Christian overtones would have reduced the scores. Was I right or wrong. Just curious. Van



Shot out 10th floor office in Denver. The sky was gray & white, I changed it to blue by grayscaling, RGB, and adding blue color.


IMO I cant say if you were right or wrong but I can tell you what I believe. We have a lot of people here with diverse opinions. Each one of us has the right to our own opinions and believes. The photograph you took is great. Never think twice about entering a photograph that you feel your score may be lowered based on its meaning or its relation to your beliefs because someone may score your photograph lower because they dont believe the same as you may. I hope we have mature voters here that will judge ones photo based upon meeting the challenge, quality, technique, and the WOW factor. No one should lower any ones score based on differences in belief no matter what side you are on UNLESS the photograph I aimed a degrading a person or group of people. Just my 2 cents worth.
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