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05/07/2012 08:21:44 PM · #1
So I am apparently having a hard time submitted my original image. I submitted it, but was asked to submit it again as it was from my camera...which it was and I am not sure why it didn't seem that way. Once I get the images on my computer through my canon software, they are then in "my pictures" (windows PC). I view them through windows live photo gallery. I just selected the original image(JPEG) from the folder and attached it. I am not sure what else to do or how else to submit it. I no longer have the image on my CF card as I cleared it for a session I did yesterday. Any thoughts or help!??! Does this even make sense... Thanks!
05/07/2012 08:28:04 PM · #2
not sure how to help you at this point, but for the future you need to copy the files or your card through the file manager, not import them through the canon software.

the software can apply changes to the file that will cause them to be invalid.
05/07/2012 08:30:40 PM · #3
Never use software to transfer pictures from the camera just use a card reader and drag and copy the files to windows directly.

If the card is not full you can usually get the file back by using a file restore program.

Message edited by author 2012-05-07 20:33:26.
05/07/2012 08:59:43 PM · #4
This is the old "sage" advice about file transfer software...thought I'd add it here (author credit to muckpond)

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As stated in the rulesets, when originals of your challenge entries are requested they must be completely untouched by any kind of transfer or editing software.

We will be strictly enforcing this rule from this point on, so we have created a set of guidelines for you to use. Please respond in this thread if you have questions, and Contact Us if you have specific questions about your workflow and its impact on your image files.

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Guidelines for Preserving Your Challenge Entry Originals

If you shoot in JPEG:
JPEG images which have been modified in any way by transfer software are NOT considered valid originals. "Transfer Software" includes, but is not limited to, applications such as iPhoto, ACDSee, Nikon Transfer, and Windows Vista Import. This doesn't mean you can't use such applications, but it is your responsibility to make sure the files remain exactly as they were recorded by your camera. Generally speaking, if you hit "save" at any point you are altering the file, but these applications and others can sometimes modify your files on import. Once a file has been changed, there is no way to determine whether the "original" has been illegally edited, so this policy is critical to ensure the integrity of the challenge results.

The easiest way to ensure your files are valid originals is to ignore any dialog boxes that appear when you attach your card or your camera. Find the files' original source (either a drive letter or a disk icon that appears on your desktop), and manually move any files that are potential challenge entries to your computer. Then always work on a copy of the file when you are post-processing.

If you shoot in RAW:
Transfer software does not affect the original image data of a RAW file. Therefore, RAW files moved by transfer software are valid originals. Note that you must submit a RAW proof file when requested. A JPEG saved from the original RAW is not sufficient.

If you shoot in JPEG + RAW you may submit either version of the file when requested. However, the JPEG must not be altered by any transfer software. RAW files are always preferable if they are available.

Remember that RAW files are never valid originals for challenges using the Minimal Editing ruleset.

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If you are ever in doubt of your workflow, please use the Contact Us page to submit your question to the Site Council. We can work with you to ensure that you are preserving your image's integrity.

Please note that going forward we will not allow any exceptions to this rule -- it will be enforced as strictly as the challenge date rule.

Thank you for understanding our position.
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05/07/2012 09:01:28 PM · #5
Um, Canon user:
If you use "Zoombrowser" as a transfer from memory card to computer, and keep your image in a separate file,
(I use a "date file") your original is safe. I transfer my images from my "Date File" acquired by Zoombrowser
to Photoshop, make a copy and close the original.

If this is what you also do, then somewhere, you have an original on your hard drive.

05/07/2012 09:06:48 PM · #6
I fell victim to this situation, not through transfer software, but through windows picture viewer. I was viewing the originals and rotated the file, it auto-saved. This was held to be an alteration, and my shot was DQ'd.
05/07/2012 09:07:26 PM · #7
Another bit of advice: especially if you shoot just JPEG.

The challenge voting period is only one week. Don't delete the image you used off of your memory card!

One other bit, at least what I do for all images.

When I load my images to my computer, before I go through them even I back them up to DVD. ALL OF THEM. Then, you can do whatever you want to the ones on your hard drive, even delete them. You always will have the DVD(s).
05/07/2012 09:28:32 PM · #8
Thanks for your help and advice. This may have been a rookie mistake...I have some file searching to do and will hope for the best. Either way, I will certainly chalk it up to a learning experience!
05/07/2012 09:40:10 PM · #9
Originally posted by Neil:

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The challenge voting period is only one week. Don't delete the image you used off of your memory card! ...



If you shoot for and enter an immediate challenge (one week to shoot, one week to vote), keeping the memory card as-is until a week or more past the end of voting (validation requests can arrive late) may be an option. On the other hand, we also have monthly free study challenges, where you have a month to shoot and a week to vote. Even worse for that strategy, we usually have a "best of last year" challenge, where you have a year to shoot and some weeks to vote.

Most of us won't invest in enough memory cards to avoid re-use for more than a year. So your advice to back up the untouched originals to DVDs (or external hard drives, I might add) could be a better choice for a consistent workflow.
05/07/2012 09:42:14 PM · #10
don't sweat the DQ, almost all of us have gotten one. just learn from your mistakes.
05/07/2012 10:48:09 PM · #11
There are a lot of good (free) programs that will dig out the deleted images from a memory card unless they have been written over by erasing then reshooting the whole card.
I have used "Recuva" program for windows, and it works great, finding the images that have been deleted but not written over. Some programs will even recover images from a card that has been formatted.
There was a whole thread about a similar problem, I think it was with Snaffles, a while back. Maybe you can find that thread for some suggestions.
If you can find the original file on the card, then you can solve the problem.
05/07/2012 10:50:19 PM · #12
I had the same problem, but in a slightly different way. The transfer program worked fine, but I opened the picture in adobe elements, and did a save as.

I figured a "save as" was perfectly safe!! It left the original alone. Right? Wrong! Since I had version stacking (or whatever it was called) turned on, it tagged my original as being modified by photoshop.

I was so incredibly upset!

I shoot in RAW all the time, now. I made the switch only because of DPC. It is a great switch to make. RAW gives you so much more control. And your original is never modified by anything. I'd never go back.

Occasionally I'll switch to jpeg if I'm shooting kids sports or anything that I don't particularly care to have much control over. but 99.7% of the time, I shoot RAW.

Message edited by author 2012-05-07 22:51:34.
05/07/2012 10:50:56 PM · #13
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:

There are a lot of good (free) programs that will dig out the deleted images from a memory card unless they have been written over by erasing then reshooting the whole card.

You may be able to find links to more file recovery programs in the Freebie Softeware List thread. It is worth a try to recove the files, even if you've used the card again.

Similar to Neil's workflow, I never erase the files from my card until I've backed up the originals to CD/DVD.
05/09/2012 08:10:33 AM · #14
Thanks again for the advice...the DQ hurts, but live and learn right? It was fun having fourth place in a challenge while it lasted! ;-) Proud of the good marks nonetheless and I will be smarter in the future with my file transfers!
05/09/2012 08:44:49 AM · #15
Originally posted by RaeK:

Thanks again for the advice...the DQ hurts, but live and learn right? It was fun having fourth place in a challenge while it lasted! ;-) Proud of the good marks nonetheless and I will be smarter in the future with my file transfers!


Oh no! Your photo is quite lovely and one cannot help but smile at the pure fun your daughter is having.

Have you tried the any of the free file recovery programs? There might be a slim chance that you could recover the file in question. I think it is absolutely well worth trying (if you have not already). If you do happen to find it I believe you could get a reinstatement.
05/09/2012 11:52:36 AM · #16
Originally posted by vawendy:

I had the same problem, but in a slightly different way. The transfer program worked fine, but I opened the picture in adobe elements, and did a save as.

I figured a "save as" was perfectly safe!! It left the original alone. Right? Wrong! Since I had version stacking (or whatever it was called) turned on, it tagged my original as being modified by photoshop.

I was so incredibly upset!

I shoot in RAW all the time, now. I made the switch only because of DPC. It is a great switch to make. RAW gives you so much more control. And your original is never modified by anything. I'd never go back.

Occasionally I'll switch to jpeg if I'm shooting kids sports or anything that I don't particularly care to have much control over. but 99.7% of the time, I shoot RAW.

Ditto!

I have never been DQed (317 Challenges), but only because after I switched to shooting RAW only because one of my Team Suck teammates got DQed because of transfer software shooting jpeg.

I also don't get DQed 'cause I'm too inept with PhotoShop to create bizarre, close-to-the-edge images that push the envelope.......8>)
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