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05/02/2012 09:14:07 AM · #1
I might have violated the rules in my most current submission. How do I contact anyone about it? Or is there a way to remove my entry in a challenge that is in voting?
05/02/2012 09:18:36 AM · #2
In the main menu under Help>Contact Us, submit a "General Inquiry" ticket and explain the situation. The Site Council will contact you. If they agree that the rules were violated, they can disqualify the image.
05/02/2012 09:24:12 AM · #3
Thank you! Done!
05/02/2012 11:16:40 AM · #4
and you'll get an official DQ becuase of it.

i would let it ride and hope you dont get caught. usually it pays to be honest but the rules in these cases favor taking your chances.
05/02/2012 12:16:27 PM · #5
Originally posted by mike_311:

and you'll get an official DQ becuase of it.

i would let it ride and hope you dont get caught. usually it pays to be honest but the rules in these cases favor taking your chances.


Well let's just hope not everyone is as unethical as you about this.
05/02/2012 12:22:05 PM · #6
Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by mike_311:

and you'll get an official DQ becuase of it.

i would let it ride and hope you dont get caught. usually it pays to be honest but the rules in these cases favor taking your chances.


Well let's just hope not everyone is as unethical as you about this.


why?

the this is one rule that is screwed up. if you voluntarily admit you violated a rule and during voting and admitted to such to get your image pulled, why get penalized with a DQ? why not just let the person pull their entry with no penalty so long as it ins't a regular occurrence?

the punishment is far worse than the crime in this case.

Message edited by author 2012-05-02 12:23:13.
05/02/2012 12:35:49 PM · #7
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by mike_311:

and you'll get an official DQ becuase of it.

i would let it ride and hope you dont get caught. usually it pays to be honest but the rules in these cases favor taking your chances.


Well let's just hope not everyone is as unethical as you about this.


why?

the this is one rule that is screwed up. if you voluntarily admit you violated a rule and during voting and admitted to such to get your image pulled, why get penalized with a DQ? why not just let the person pull their entry with no penalty so long as it ins't a regular occurrence?

the punishment is far worse than the crime in this case.


In this case, I actually agree with Mike. If someone wished to pull their photo -- for whatever reason -- they should be allowed a certain number with no question.

If they are caught, it's a punishment. If they confess, it's the same punishment.

Except for the top 3, or maybe top 5, you only have to validate your entry if it's called into question. Since the penalty is overly severe in this case and 'victimless", it's probably better just to ride it out.

One of the many DPC flaws.


In light of the SC revelations below, I retract this statement.

Message edited by author 2012-05-02 13:09:16.
05/02/2012 12:42:06 PM · #8
Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by mike_311:

and you'll get an official DQ becuase of it.

i would let it ride and hope you dont get caught. usually it pays to be honest but the rules in these cases favor taking your chances.

Well let's just hope not everyone is as unethical as you about this.

+1
05/02/2012 12:46:49 PM · #9
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by mike_311:

and you'll get an official DQ becuase of it.

i would let it ride and hope you dont get caught. usually it pays to be honest but the rules in these cases favor taking your chances.


Well let's just hope not everyone is as unethical as you about this.


why?

the this is one rule that is screwed up. if you voluntarily admit you violated a rule and during voting and admitted to such to get your image pulled, why get penalized with a DQ? why not just let the person pull their entry with no penalty so long as it ins't a regular occurrence?

the punishment is far worse than the crime in this case.

We have two categories of DQ: those where the rules were broken and those where they were not. We will sometimes waive the penalty (possible suspension) which may accompany a DQ if a rules violation is self-reported.
05/02/2012 12:46:53 PM · #10
Hypothetical scenario that possibly explains the official DPC stance on self-DQs:

Joe Whatshisname enters an image that he knows to be shot outside the challenge dates, assuming that it won't do well enough to be called for validation. Much to Joe's surprise, he finds the image riding a 7.1 wave several days into the voting. At this point, he notifies SC "Oops, I made a booboo, this picture isn't legal, let's pull it!" Effectively, Joe's gotten a good chance to see how the voters like his image, which wouldn't have happened had he just posted it in a thread instead of entering the challenge.

Basically, if we're allowed to self-DQ with impunity, you can be sure that some folks will take advantage of this to enter (and then pull) otherwise-illegal images.

I donno how accurate this is, but it makes some sense to me. Although I admit the current official stance seems a little draconian to me sometimes.

R.
05/02/2012 12:46:55 PM · #11
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by mike_311:

and you'll get an official DQ becuase of it.

i would let it ride and hope you dont get caught. usually it pays to be honest but the rules in these cases favor taking your chances.

Well let's just hope not everyone is as unethical as you about this.

+1


how about a +1 to changing the penalty instead? since that is what is encouraging the unethical behavior.
05/02/2012 12:47:03 PM · #12
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by mike_311:

and you'll get an official DQ becuase of it.

i would let it ride and hope you dont get caught. usually it pays to be honest but the rules in these cases favor taking your chances.


Well let's just hope not everyone is as unethical as you about this.


why?

the this is one rule that is screwed up. if you voluntarily admit you violated a rule and during voting and admitted to such to get your image pulled, why get penalized with a DQ? why not just let the person pull their entry with no penalty so long as it ins't a regular occurrence?

the punishment is far worse than the crime in this case.

Attention to following the rules is important. It's the rules here which make DPChallenge unique. If withdrawal w/o penalty is allowed, then some may ignore the rules and hope they don't get caught or, if validation requested, then would yank the image coming under scrutiny. It's better to encourage people to read and follow the rules in the first place.

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Message edited by author 2012-05-02 12:50:06.
05/02/2012 12:48:13 PM · #13
Originally posted by GeneralE:


We have two categories of DQ: those where the rules were broken and those where they were not.


Say what? Why would you ever DQ an image that didn't break any rules?

R.
05/02/2012 12:48:32 PM · #14
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Hypothetical scenario that possibly explains the official DPC stance on self-DQs:

Joe Whatshisname enters an image that he knows to be shot outside the challenge dates, assuming that it won't do well enough to be called for validation. Much to Joe's surprise, he finds the image riding a 7.1 wave several days into the voting. At this point, he notifies SC "Oops, I made a booboo, this picture isn't legal, let's pull it!" Effectively, Joe's gotten a good chance to see how the voters like his image, which wouldn't have happened had he just posted it in a thread instead of entering the challenge.

Basically, if we're allowed to self-DQ with impunity, you can be sure that some folks will take advantage of this to enter (and then pull) otherwise-illegal images.

I donno how accurate this is, but it makes some sense to me. Although I admit the current official stance seems a little draconian to me sometimes.

R.


i would think that if it became a habit to some it wouldn't go unnoticed.
05/02/2012 12:51:01 PM · #15
Originally posted by mike_311:



why?

the this is one rule that is screwed up. if you voluntarily admit you violated a rule and during voting and admitted to such to get your image pulled, why get penalized with a DQ? why not just let the person pull their entry with no penalty so long as it ins't a regular occurrence?

the punishment is far worse than the crime in this case.


Mike, I see where you're coming from, but I find that I must disagree. If there are no consequences (user is allowed to withdraw) then users would be free to "test-fly" entries and if they score badly, claim a rules infraction and *poof* the entry is gone. Yes, this is a realistic scenario, not just a hypothesis.
So, the DQ is there to control this behavior. When a user self-reports, this is taken into account when/if another DQ occurs. The SC determines whether the first DQ should be counted toward any penalty. If it's a self-report and the user has not repeated the behavior, chances are that it will not be counted.
In the end, I believe that the status quo is the fairest for all participants, and that administration of this system has been consistent and reasonable. A DQ is not a blot on anyone's record if it was an honest mistake, and certainly not if self-reported.
05/02/2012 12:51:10 PM · #16
Originally posted by GeneralE:


We have two categories of DQ: those where the rules were broken and those where they were not. We will sometimes waive the penalty (possible suspension) which may accompany a DQ if a rules violation is self-reported.


why sometimes?

Originally posted by hahn23:


Attention to following the rules is important. It's the rules here which make DPChallenge unique. If withdrawal w/o penalty is allowed, then some may ignore the rules and hope they don't get caught or, if validation requested, then would yank the image coming under scrutiny. It's better to encourage people to read and follow the rules in the first place.


that's a different scenario as it is no longer a voluntary withdrawal and the image is being contested.

05/02/2012 12:52:14 PM · #17
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GeneralE:


We have two categories of DQ: those where the rules were broken and those where they were not.


Say what? Why would you ever DQ an image that didn't break any rules?

That would be a Self-DQ (only allowed if no rules were broken).
05/02/2012 12:53:19 PM · #18
Originally posted by kirbic:



Mike, I see where you're coming from, but I find that I must disagree. If there are no consequences (user is allowed to withdraw) then users would be free to "test-fly" entries and if they score badly, claim a rules infraction and *poof* the entry is gone. Yes, this is a realistic scenario, not just a hypothesis.
So, the DQ is there to control this behavior. When a user self-reports, this is taken into account when/if another DQ occurs. The SC determines whether the first DQ should be counted toward any penalty. If it's a self-report and the user has not repeated the behavior, chances are that it will not be counted.
In the end, I believe that the status quo is the fairest for all participants, and that administration of this system has been consistent and reasonable. A DQ is not a blot on anyone's record if it was an honest mistake, and certainly not if self-reported.


ok, i agree with this.

i wasn't aware of the case by case basis that was being applied, i was under the impression that you got a DQ no matter what. while i agree that its not a blemish on any record, but if i voluntarily self DQ'd an entry of mine and then i got a real DQ on of my next 25 entries i'd be upset about the suspension.

Message edited by author 2012-05-02 12:55:37.
05/02/2012 12:56:12 PM · #19
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GeneralE:


We have two categories of DQ: those where the rules were broken and those where they were not.


Say what? Why would you ever DQ an image that didn't break any rules?

That would be a Self-DQ (only allowed if no rules were broken).


Some people have stated they would if their score was too low to protect their irrelevant "average".
05/02/2012 12:56:44 PM · #20
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GeneralE:


We have two categories of DQ: those where the rules were broken and those where they were not.


Say what? Why would you ever DQ an image that didn't break any rules?

R.

That's a "self-DQ" -- we will allow the photographer to pull the image (e.g. their model no longer wants an image posted, it's a really terrible self-portrait), but only if no rules were broken, basically for the reasons you outlined earlier; they also cannot self-DQ if it would trigger a suspension (because of an earlier DQ).
05/02/2012 12:59:32 PM · #21
Originally posted by mike_311:

i wasn't aware of the case by case basis that was being applied, i was under the impression that you got a DQ no matter what.

Consider what happens when a member realizes he made a mistake and confesses vs. a member who realizes he made a mistake after someone comments on the issue and validation has already been requested. Same mistake, but potentially different penalties even though both are DQ'd. A one-size-fits-all rule doesn't necessarily achieve fairness.
05/02/2012 01:01:53 PM · #22
Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GeneralE:


We have two categories of DQ: those where the rules were broken and those where they were not.


Say what? Why would you ever DQ an image that didn't break any rules?

That would be a Self-DQ (only allowed if no rules were broken).


Some people have stated they would if their score was too low to protect their irrelevant "average".

That's why you only get one self-DQ per 25 entries. If you pull a 4.6 entry to protect your average and your next entry scores 4.1 you'll wish you had that self-DQ back.

Message edited by author 2012-05-02 13:02:19.
05/02/2012 01:03:32 PM · #23
Originally posted by mike_311:

if i voluntarily self DQ'd an entry of mine and then i got a real DQ on of my next 25 entries i'd be upset about the suspension.

Sure, and we try to avoid that.
05/02/2012 01:05:18 PM · #24


Message edited by author 2012-07-24 16:38:50.
05/02/2012 01:05:37 PM · #25
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GeneralE:


We have two categories of DQ: those where the rules were broken and those where they were not.


Say what? Why would you ever DQ an image that didn't break any rules?

That would be a Self-DQ (only allowed if no rules were broken).


Some people have stated they would if their score was too low to protect their irrelevant "average".

That's why you only get one self-DQ per 25 entries. If you pull a 4.6 entry to protect your average and your next entry scores 4.1 you'll wish you had that self-DQ back.


AH!

I always read that as a Self-DQ is in the same bucket as a regular DQ in terms of "count"
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