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08/07/2004 10:54:35 PM · #1 |
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08/07/2004 10:56:51 PM · #2 |
In my typically creative interpretation of challenges, it would. Although the vanishing point is not seen, off frame, it is clearly there and the lines of the image display it clearly. I'm struggling with this challenge myself. I have not submitted anything yet. Still waiting for that "aha!" moment.
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08/07/2004 10:57:21 PM · #3 |
While it's not a bad photo, I would say no.
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08/07/2004 11:23:37 PM · #4 |
I am also struggling with this one, not wanting to submit a "me too" entry that I'm thinking I'll see a lot of - roads, bridges etc. But I'm also struggling with how I will vote on this challenge - will I consider implied convergence as a vanishing point? I'm not sure, and I don't think I will make that decision till I either submit an entry, or begin to vote. Right now, I'm thinking that I want to actually witness the vanishing point. If that's the case, this photo will not work for me - but it is a good photo illustrating perspective.
Bill
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08/07/2004 11:27:49 PM · #5 |
I would say...it's better than mine...I have looked for days and can't come up with anything.It's a good photo...but would score low I believe.
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08/07/2004 11:48:46 PM · #6 |
Vanishing Point:
1. The point at which parallel lines receding from an observer seem to converge.
2. The point in linear perspective at which all imaginary lines of perspective converge.
3. The point at which a thing disappears or ceases to exist.
4. The point to which all parallel lines in the same plane tend in the representation.
Your photo clearly qualifies, but I bet there are alot of voters who think the point has to be "in" the photo.
Nevermind that the vanishing point is not something you can ever actually capture in the photo, it's *all* perspective! The challenge says to compose a photo that "illustrates this concept", nothing about the point being in the frame.
Message edited by author 2004-08-07 23:56:09.
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08/08/2004 05:53:19 AM · #7 |
my reading of the challenge is to show perspective and a vanishing point which is either in the picture or implied by the shot. The row of columns certainly meets with the criteria of the challenge. You have an upper line, the top of the building, and a lower line, the bottom of the building and both are converging to a vanishing point out of shot.
Well, that's my interpretation of the pic and the challenge. |
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08/08/2004 06:53:39 AM · #8 |
i would say it meets the challenge, but would score low, simply because you see the end of the building. if you shot it from another angle that implied the lines continued to vanishing point, it would probably score higher. (btw, which station is that? i used to live at the bottom of the ramp at the manyunk station, across from propper bros.)
Message edited by author 2004-08-08 06:54:09. |
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08/08/2004 07:24:59 AM · #9 |
| Question? If we capture a vanishing point does that mean we have actually captured nothing because it as vanished? (he says' with tounge in cheek) lol |
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08/08/2004 08:34:09 AM · #10 |
This is to me an interesting approach, but I'm leaving too far to make the shot ;o(
Thanksgiving Square - Dallas |
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08/08/2004 08:39:25 AM · #11 |
IMHO the posted picture does qualify. The Challenge is to take a picture which illustrates the point. I am guessing that a 'good' submission would leave the viewer with the immediate impression that this was a photo 'focused' on the concept of vanishing points
The posted picture does illustrate the concept, but it could also be viewed as just a nice picture of some columns. I think that the converging lines would need to be more obviously the subject in order to score well and this picture although acceptable would probably scrore sub-5.
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08/08/2004 09:12:32 AM · #12 |
IMHO it would work for me. However I would not score higher than 5 simply because you can see the end of the building. If the photographer would have cropped "before the end" I would have scored considerably higher.
Nice shot and thanks for sharing. |
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08/08/2004 09:38:25 AM · #13 |
| For me I don't think it meets the challenge. Yes there are converging lines and whenever you have converging lines there is an implied vanishing point. But, you don't see an actual vanishing point here and I believe the challenge is fairly specific in wanting one. After all you are illustrating the concept of a vanishing point and not the more general concept of perspective. If the challenge was just one of perspective might it not have been named the perspective challenge? |
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08/08/2004 09:45:38 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by airatic:
Vanishing Point:
1. The point at which parallel lines receding from an observer seem to converge.
2. The point in linear perspective at which all imaginary lines of perspective converge.
3. The point at which a thing disappears or ceases to exist.
4. The point to which all parallel lines in the same plane tend in the representation.
Your photo clearly qualifies, but I bet there are alot of voters who think the point has to be "in" the photo.
Nevermind that the vanishing point is not something you can ever actually capture in the photo, it's *all* perspective! The challenge says to compose a photo that "illustrates this concept", nothing about the point being in the frame. |
I see your point but if you don't include the vanishing point itself (or a reasonable approximation thereof) how can you illustrate this concept? I mean everything you take a photograph is going to follow the rules of perspective. At least some part will have converging lines and they will eventually meet at a vanishing point. If this meets the challenge then why bother having challenge topics and challenge descriptions at all? They would all become open challenges. |
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08/08/2004 10:02:22 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
... At least some part will have converging lines and they will eventually meet at a vanishing point. If this meets the challenge then why bother having challenge topics and challenge descriptions at all? They would all become open challenges. |
My thoughts exactly. =] |
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08/08/2004 11:31:04 AM · #16 |
Repeat: 4. The point to which all parallel lines in the same plane tend in the representation.
The challenge says to compose a photo that "illustrates this concept", nothing about the point being in the frame.
So: The point is that the subject of the photo illustrates the concept of a vanishing point. Follow the lines, and they reach an easily definable vanishing point, clearly suggested by the subject. The stained glass one doesn't meet this challenge, because the parallel lines appear flat to the viewer, there is no sense of perspective to suggest the vanishing point. The columns clearly suggest a vanishing point.
I don't want to have to wade through 300 pictures of roads, so why limit the vanishing point to being within the frame?
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08/08/2004 11:36:53 AM · #17 |
yes yes yes, they all vanish [in the end] would not have marked
down on any of them, sheesh stop getting so picky.....
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08/08/2004 11:45:19 AM · #18 |
In my interpertation of the challenge, the vanishing point does not have to be in the photo, it can be implied. This photo does meet the challenge. However, I think most voters will want to see the point in the shot so they will vote it down.
How much do you wanna bet that this challenge will be full of straight roads coming to a point and railroad tracks.
Im going with something a bit abstract and I bet it will get voted down because the vanishing point is implied., but whatever, i kinda liked the photo. |
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08/08/2004 11:59:00 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by airatic:
Repeat: 4. The point to which all parallel lines in the same plane tend in the representation.
The challenge says to compose a photo that "illustrates this concept", nothing about the point being in the frame.
So: The point is that the subject of the photo illustrates the concept of a vanishing point. Follow the lines, and they reach an easily definable vanishing point, clearly suggested by the subject. The stained glass one doesn't meet this challenge, because the parallel lines appear flat to the viewer, there is no sense of perspective to suggest the vanishing point. The columns clearly suggest a vanishing point.
I don't want to have to wade through 300 pictures of roads, so why limit the vanishing point to being within the frame? |
There is nothing requiring you to vote. A road may be a natural choice but this is where creativity comes in. I think you can have both creativity and following the challenge description in the same shot.
The 4th item you mentioned seems to back my position better than it does your own. The vanishing point is "the point" to which all parallel lines in the same plane tend.... Thus you want "the point" to which all those lines are leading in the photo to illustrate the concept.
The stained glass photo does meet the challenge, if barely, because there are indications that the scene is in three dimensional space. However, I do see why one could see it as flat. The actual scene could be flat but using forced perspective complete with vanishing point to good effect. I see that as meeting the challenge and being creative. |
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08/08/2004 12:32:01 PM · #20 |
IMHO "Illustrates the concept" means it does NOT have to be in the frame...which leaves it wide open to many other things than tracks and roads.
I will vote (positively) for any photo that "Illustrates the concept" whether or not it is in the frame and all else being equal.
By the way I also think Patoch's photo meets the challenge, yes it seems flat, but nevertheless... |
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08/08/2004 12:56:50 PM · #21 |
this is a vanishing point too, anyone disagree?
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08/08/2004 01:18:09 PM · #22 |
| I've had a heck of a time too. This will be my first challenge and I had a number to choose from to enter, but found being objective about which one to send seemed to pose a problem.One man's art is another man's crappy picture.I probably ended up choosing th worst one to send. I'm a writer - trying to be creative visually is a totally new concept for me. Good luck everyone on the challenge. The talent and creativity on this sight is incredible. In terms of photography "I've miles to go before I sleep . . ." |
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08/08/2004 01:20:36 PM · #23 |
what about this? is it vanishing enough? |
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08/08/2004 02:20:54 PM · #24 |
I understand that if this discussion exist then pictures "missing" vanishing point won't get many points... sadly.
I remember, maybe in kung-fu tv series, somebody said: "look with the eyes of your soul..." or something similar, and I agree, human being is an animal who can SEE abstract concepts... like the vanishing point. |
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08/08/2004 02:26:00 PM · #25 |
Took this about a year ago, went back to shoot it today but the locked up the place.
How much would you have note this ?
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