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 03/27/2012 10:37:58 PM · #76
wantitumps and corncobs...
 03/27/2012 10:49:06 PM · #77
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Judi:
... play fair and stick to the rules!!

Just a reminder that the rule involved here is one which requires subjective interpretation, where there can be a legitimate difference of opinion about how much is "too much" of something or other -- it is not the same as (say) "cheating" by entering a picture taken last year.


I was referring to the DQ images. If an image wins a challenge and then violates the rules, then it is stripped of its ribbon and DQéd. So with the jury side of the challenge, why do they get to follow different rules....where an image has broken the site rules for the challenge and is DQéd...shouldn't it be stripped of it's juried award??? The jury is linked with the main part of the challenge...I do not see where they are allowed to follow their own set of rules....I was led to believe that you still had to follow the site rules for your image to be judged by the jury.

I wasn't opining one way or the other about whether the "jury" should also DQ the photo -- merely trying to point out that the photographer probably did not intentionally violate the rules or cheat, but may well have thought that the editing done was legal within the (subjective) guidelines, even though a majority of SC members felt otherwise.
 03/27/2012 10:56:49 PM · #78
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
wantitumps and corncobs...


onion sauce.
 03/27/2012 10:58:40 PM · #79
Originally posted by posthumous:
The red blob has been removed. It was destroyed in a Latin ceremony of heat immolation.

hesitant has now received the full wrath of DPC justice. May God have mercy upon his soul.


Here lies the artist formerly known as red blob.
 03/27/2012 11:00:45 PM · #80
What a sad end to this all. Despite the fact that the popular vote, and the jury couldn't have cared less for my entry, I enjoyed the process.
 03/27/2012 11:00:58 PM · #81
Originally posted by posthumous:
hesitant has now received the full wrath of DPC justice. May God have mercy upon his soul.

Oh come on, Don - that's an exaggeration. We spared his village. :P

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
I would just hate to see those who volunteer their time to add something extra become weary over this and no longer want to do it.


You're seeing it now. The way I feel now, that was my last jury. It's not worth it.

R.


Well I hope that is not the case. I think there just needs to be some fine tuning and clarifications, but I believe that most, if not all, including myself are very appreciative of the juries time & efforts. I hope we can all get past this and move on.

To those who say it is a molehill, I agree. But then everything about what we do here that is related to photography is relatively insignificant, IMO. :)
 03/27/2012 11:15:15 PM · #82
Originally posted by tnun:
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
wantitumps and corncobs...

onion sauce.

cabernet tears.
 03/27/2012 11:21:39 PM · #83
It was a car accident. Much rubbernecking. I don't see any unresolved issues. Maybe we should move on. Nothing more to see here.
 03/27/2012 11:41:44 PM · #84
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
Originally posted by tnun:
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
wantitumps and corncobs...

onion sauce.

cabernet tears.

there can never be too much eggplant.
 03/27/2012 11:43:06 PM · #85
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Originally posted by posthumous:
The red blob has been removed. It was destroyed in a Latin ceremony of heat immolation.

hesitant has now received the full wrath of DPC justice. May God have mercy upon his soul.


Here lies the artist formerly known as red blob.


may he rest in peace.
 03/27/2012 11:48:57 PM · #86
I have no issues with the jury

For me a big part of the enjoyment of DPC is the alternative award side of things, i sincerely hope that the people involved by that don't feel demotivated after this, they were only trying to do well and add a bit more enjoyment and anticipation, I believe it was a job well done.
 03/28/2012 12:13:24 AM · #87
Originally posted by jagar:
I have no issues with the jury

For me a big part of the enjoyment of DPC is the alternative award side of things, i sincerely hope that the people involved by that don't feel demotivated after this, they were only trying to do well and add a bit more enjoyment and anticipation, I believe it was a job well done.


Thank you John :)
 03/28/2012 01:40:17 AM · #88
I think that it's a real bummer when things like that happen, but we really need to move on quickly as possible.
After all, it's all about our love to photography, to art, and not about law and justice.
And what way do we have to continue forward if not in a new challenge?

Originally posted by jdannels:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I'll be disappointed if this ends in a resolution without bloodshed. What has become of us? What is left for me to parody any more?? Sad. :P

I did find this original, to see what had been been changed. The changes were monstrous.


Joe, that was brilliant! really made me laugh.
I think we should suggest this kind of expert challenge.
The subject will be something like "What happened back there?", and everyone should take one DQ photo from any challenge and modify it to its original form before it DQ'd.

Message edited by author 2012-03-28 01:43:38.
 03/28/2012 02:25:58 AM · #89
Nothing was done that couldn't be done in a nice old fashioned darkroom. I thought the role of the jury was to look beyond the rather arbitary digital rules of DPC and find some truly good art,which they did.
 03/28/2012 04:21:44 AM · #90
Originally posted by hesitant:
Having entered this challenge impulsively at the last minute I had no knowledge of the Judges Panel or Juried result. For me this becomes a double disaster and I draw no satisfaction from my placement here.
I have posted the following apology in my 'Photographers Comments'

An apology

Of course the real punishment for me is letting down my fellow DPCers who voted and commented in good faith. Apologies to them.

I'll be more careful in future and in the meantime, congratulations to the new award winners in this challenge.



Having known David through DPL (Team UK) I can only say that he is an honest and talented photographer and like many before him he has made a mistake and has been man enough to admit it. He is not the first nor will he be the last.

As for the jury - I think we probably underestimate the amount of time and effort they have put in and I, and a lot of others, appreciate what they have done. They are not getting any reward for doing this only grief from what I can see. Would be no surprise to me if we have seen the last of them, which would be a big loss.

I think we should all remember what this place is - a site where we share, develop and grow, though it seems to me that these days it is more like a site where we seem to moan and bitch about just anything.

This site is meant to be fun, don't take it too seriously.

03/28/2012 04:58:37 AM · #91
Originally posted by Sevlow:
Originally posted by hesitant:
Having entered this challenge impulsively at the last minute I had no knowledge of the Judges Panel or Juried result. For me this becomes a double disaster and I draw no satisfaction from my placement here.
I have posted the following apology in my 'Photographers Comments'

An apology

Of course the real punishment for me is letting down my fellow DPCers who voted and commented in good faith. Apologies to them.

I'll be more careful in future and in the meantime, congratulations to the new award winners in this challenge.



Having known David through DPL (Team UK) I can only say that he is an honest and talented photographer and like many before him he has made a mistake and has been man enough to admit it. He is not the first nor will he be the last.

As for the jury - I think we probably underestimate the amount of time and effort they have put in and I, and a lot of others, appreciate what they have done. They are not getting any reward for doing this only grief from what I can see. Would be no surprise to me if we have seen the last of them, which would be a big loss.

I think we should all remember what this place is - a site where we share, develop and grow, though it seems to me that these days it is more like a site where we seem to moan and bitch about just anything.

This site is meant to be fun, don't take it too seriously.


Thanks too true.

That's why I cancelled my other thread, did you NOTICE!
 03/28/2012 01:52:57 PM · #92
I apologise in advance to everyone (not least my fellow jurors) who’d prefer to not see this dismal thread resurrected. Sorry: some terns cannot remain unstoned.

Judi, the jury’s results and protocols belong to nobody but the jury. Not to Langdon, not to the SC, and most certainly not to you.

We were not unanimous about what to do regarding this situation, but we were discussing it. We had that right. Your sanctimonious performance in this thread is out of line. It’s simply not your business, though I know that’s a consideration that has never inhibited you in the past.

You succeeded in forcing a concession in this matter and no doubt now consider that you had a victory. You did not.

As a result of you and your, “You can feel the frustration building over this decision” remarks, I suspect that juried challenges, genuinely independent and interesting juried challenges, are over. Robert has declared that he’s done with the process, and though I do not speak for the jury, I can tell you that he is not the only one. But even if this had affected Robert alone, his inestimable worth to DPC has now been limited for no good reason.

Your rabble-rousing demands for a needlessly hasty resolution in terms to your personal satisfaction have diminished this site.

You also demanded that the jury must, “quell my frustration” by unilaterally DQ’ing the image from our awards. And much to my dismay, we acquiesced. Well, I have wished to invite you to get thoroughly quelled for some years now, so please now consider yourself told to do so.

That’s all. Get thee to a nunnery, or at least return to your relentless programme of self-promotion.
03/28/2012 01:57:39 PM · #93
Yikes. That was unnecessary.
 03/28/2012 02:04:10 PM · #94
Well, after that rant if anyone comes off as sanctimonious it certainly isn't Judi!!

And if that is the end of the juried results, so be it. I don't think that will "diminish this site" as you put it.
 03/28/2012 02:22:36 PM · #95
I feel strongly that the juried challenges and the posthumous awards etc.. are a major part of this site, in fact by studying them after every challenge, (its the first thing i do) they have influenced my style more than anything else here, without them this place would have no soul and I for one wouldn't be here. I implore all those involved to continue doing what you do, you bring feeling and depth to what would otherwise be a pretty sterile and predictable place.



Message edited by author 2012-03-28 14:23:08.
 03/28/2012 02:25:50 PM · #96
Originally posted by jagar:
I feel strongly that the juried challenges and the posthumous awards etc.. are a major part of this site, in fact by studying them after every challenge, (its the first thing i do) they have influenced my style more than anything else here, without them this place would have no soul and I for one wouldn't be here. I implore all those involved to continue doing what you do, you bring feeling and depth to what would otherwise be a pretty sterile and predictable place.


Very well said
 03/28/2012 02:43:57 PM · #97
Originally posted by hahn23:
Yikes. That was unnecessary.

Indeed it was. I'm sure Judi wouldn't have cared less about the result standing in the Juried results if the Juried side-challenge hadn't been "endorsed" by DPC included reference to it in the challenge. That is the real issue here I believe. Do what you want in side challenges and have your own rules but if you have them linked in any official way to the DPC challenge then you must follow the DPC rules.
 03/28/2012 02:54:41 PM · #98
As a new member I do not have a history with any of you, which may cause some to dismiss what i say here, but may also allow some to see that i have no clique to side with.

I for one think that what happened with this is unfortunate to everybody involved. The jury put a lot of time and effort into these photos. They all went through over 200 to not just look at them, but judge them artistically, and then had to narrow that list down to what appears to be 10 overall images. That is not an easy thing to do.
Add in the fact that they all have work and personal lives outside this site with it's own stresses, deadlines and "rather be doing"s and factor that into the effort that these people have generously put forward.

I "understand" where Judi is coming from, but i do not agree with it. It was disqualified from the ranked challenge, publicly, after having enough time that active members of this site would have had a chance to notice. That is a huge thing to have happen to you and i'd be surprised to see an image posted here by that photographer for a while - i know it'd cause me to pull back from the spotlight and potential for gossiping in future contests.

Now someone is publicly calling for the masses to join their cause of stripping them further down publicly, adding more to their humiliation and crying out for vengance. I can almost see the torches and pitchforks being handed out to passers-by...

I would genuinely appreciate the chance to be involved with future juried challenges - i think that they add something special to this site. Then again, i'm also not someone who is a photographer as a means of putting food on my table and a roof over my family's head. I do this for fun and because it's something that I geniunely have a passion for and wish to improve my skill for my own sense of gratification in progressing from point A to Z with all the ups and downs along the way. I may have a different perspective on a "jury" than many people here, but i also don't have as much of an ego over the entries i put up as many others because this is just a hobby and not a personal reflection of my ability to excel in my chosen career. I'll stop here before I say something that I will regret later, but I will finish by saying that I emphatically hope the jury will consider doing more in the future and let their results stand, regardless of what the 1% have to say.
 03/28/2012 03:00:04 PM · #99
Originally posted by jagar:
I feel strongly that the juried challenges and the posthumous awards etc.. are a major part of this site, in fact by studying them after every challenge, (its the first thing i do) they have influenced my style more than anything else here, without them this place would have no soul and I for one wouldn't be here. I implore all those involved to continue doing what you do, you bring feeling and depth to what would otherwise be a pretty sterile and predictable place.


+1000

i was unaware art had rules, it'll stay the juries choice in my eyes well done hesitant
 03/28/2012 03:01:39 PM · #100
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
And if that is the end of the juried results, so be it. I don't think that will "diminish this site" as you put it.


I will agree to disagree. The presence of the Jury lends weight and excitement to a challenge and an alternate point of view which I enjoy and the loss of which would absolutely diminish this site. I would hope I'm not alone in my appreciation of their efforts, but understand that you won't need a place setting at the table.

The Jury may own their own opinion, but once the words are made public...we own our reaction to it! Please consider mine a highly positive one! ;-)

Thank you, Puppy Bear, for putting together a phenomenal group of people who made an excellent effort to make some tough choices and face these dragons with a generous spirit.
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