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03/26/2012 11:04:35 PM · #1
The results of the 'Art of 2011' challenge have been recalculated, due to the disqualification of the former 1st place image for cloning out major elements (several groups of people). Congrats to our new yellow ribbon and honourable mention!
03/26/2012 11:11:44 PM · #2
It should have been Expert Editing
03/26/2012 11:13:47 PM · #3
My entry conformed to the Minimal rule set and still did OK ...
03/26/2012 11:16:27 PM · #4
It's a fine image but I'm glad it wasn't an expert editing challenge.
03/26/2012 11:19:31 PM · #5
I suppose this will also affect the Art Juried results as well?
03/26/2012 11:24:28 PM · #6
Originally posted by sfalice:

I suppose this will also affect the Art Juried results as well?


Nope
03/26/2012 11:39:42 PM · #7
Thanks to the SC for explaining the violation. Helpful!
03/26/2012 11:41:37 PM · #8
sorry for the DQ. oh my.
03/26/2012 11:42:02 PM · #9
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:

Thanks to the SC for explaining the violation. Helpful!

+1
03/26/2012 11:50:49 PM · #10
Whew. This explains why my "My Drug" in-voting validation request (from day one of voting) has yet to be validated.

You're all busy arguing. LOL!

DQs suck. *heavy sigh*

Carry on... *sigh again*

03/27/2012 12:10:26 AM · #11
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by sfalice:

I suppose this will also affect the Art Juried results as well?


Nope


What the Dead Man said.
03/27/2012 12:11:40 AM · #12
Wow. What a pity,
03/27/2012 12:13:50 AM · #13
Oh man that's a huge editing practice to use, how did he think he could get away with that is beyond me.
03/27/2012 12:17:20 AM · #14
Originally posted by Neat:

Oh man that's a huge editing practice to use, how did he think he could get away with that is beyond me.


We don't know where they were. If they were clustered back there in the fog, he might have considered them minor elements and SC might have disagreed. We'll never know without an original to look at.

R.
03/27/2012 12:17:53 AM · #15
Originally posted by Neat:

Oh man that's a huge editing practice to use, how did he think he could get away with that is beyond me.

Maybe he didn't expect to finish in the top 5. It's a two edged sword.
03/27/2012 01:08:27 AM · #16
I guess there was no fog either - great editing to make a very emotive image though.
03/27/2012 03:17:23 AM · #17
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by sfalice:

I suppose this will also affect the Art Juried results as well?


Nope


What the Dead Man said.

Not sure how I feel about that. So, if we have any future juried challenges, we can blow off the challenge rules and we may risk getting DQ'd in the popular vote, but have a better chance in the juried selection with no consequences?
03/27/2012 04:53:56 AM · #18
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by sfalice:

I suppose this will also affect the Art Juried results as well?


Nope


What the Dead Man said.

Not sure how I feel about that. So, if we have any future juried challenges, we can blow off the challenge rules and we may risk getting DQ'd in the popular vote, but have a better chance in the juried selection with no consequences?

Re-reading the comments given by the jury on this image, many claim the factors such as the fog and deserted streets as key components to the image's gusto. I am surprised to see that the jury would simply dismiss this so easily. But it is your side challenge to do as you wish.
03/27/2012 06:01:58 AM · #19
Originally posted by jdannels:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by sfalice:

I suppose this will also affect the Art Juried results as well?


Nope


What the Dead Man said.

Not sure how I feel about that. So, if we have any future juried challenges, we can blow off the challenge rules and we may risk getting DQ'd in the popular vote, but have a better chance in the juried selection with no consequences?

Re-reading the comments given by the jury on this image, many claim the factors such as the fog and deserted streets as key components to the image's gusto. I am surprised to see that the jury would simply dismiss this so easily. But it is your side challenge to do as you wish.


I think we should not compare the jury's result to the voter's choice...

If you need to change the jury result then they must validated all the selected images..

03/27/2012 06:44:05 AM · #20
Originally posted by jdannels:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by sfalice:

I suppose this will also affect the Art Juried results as well?


Nope


What the Dead Man said.

Not sure how I feel about that. So, if we have any future juried challenges, we can blow off the challenge rules and we may risk getting DQ'd in the popular vote, but have a better chance in the juried selection with no consequences?

Re-reading the comments given by the jury on this image, many claim the factors such as the fog and deserted streets as key components to the image's gusto. I am surprised to see that the jury would simply dismiss this so easily. But it is your side challenge to do as you wish.


Which goes to show that in spite of what people are clamouring for over at the get satisfaction site, DPC should NOT give official support to posthumous ribbons/awards and the like. Sure, there might not be any "rules" in art but there are at DPC.
03/27/2012 12:35:13 PM · #21
Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Which goes to show that in spite of what people are clamouring for over at the get satisfaction site, DPC should NOT give official support to posthumous ribbons/awards and the like. Sure, there might not be any "rules" in art but there are at DPC.


Agreed. The meaning the awards have is enough without "official" support.

Shame about the DQ, but now I'm really interested to see the original.

It's curious to note there is no middle ground between Advanced Editing and Expert Editing. IMO, Advanced (or some version of) should allow such cloning so that there is an "in-between" towards the Expert challenges which are essentially Photoshop contests - epecially since the cloning rules are admittedly subjective.

Message edited by author 2012-03-27 12:36:26.
03/27/2012 12:49:18 PM · #22
Originally posted by adigitalromance:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Which goes to show that in spite of what people are clamouring for over at the get satisfaction site, DPC should NOT give official support to posthumous ribbons/awards and the like. Sure, there might not be any "rules" in art but there are at DPC.


Agreed. The meaning the awards have is enough without "official" support.

Shame about the DQ, but now I'm really interested to see the original.

It's curious to note there is no middle ground between Advanced Editing and Expert Editing. IMO, Advanced (or some version of) should allow such cloning so that there is an "in-between" towards the Expert challenges which are essentially Photoshop contests - epecially since the cloning rules are admittedly subjective.

There are oftentimes additional rules added to challenges that can act as a bridge between the two. Probably few and far between though.
Good idea though. I could see something like that going down well. Advanced, but not expert. "Realistic" but not necessarily "real". Could make a good middle ground between the two types. I'd like that rule set!
03/27/2012 01:20:19 PM · #23
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Originally posted by adigitalromance:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Which goes to show that in spite of what people are clamouring for over at the get satisfaction site, DPC should NOT give official support to posthumous ribbons/awards and the like. Sure, there might not be any "rules" in art but there are at DPC.


Agreed. The meaning the awards have is enough without "official" support.

Shame about the DQ, but now I'm really interested to see the original.

It's curious to note there is no middle ground between Advanced Editing and Expert Editing. IMO, Advanced (or some version of) should allow such cloning so that there is an "in-between" towards the Expert challenges which are essentially Photoshop contests - epecially since the cloning rules are admittedly subjective.

There are oftentimes additional rules added to challenges that can act as a bridge between the two. Probably few and far between though.
Good idea though. I could see something like that going down well. Advanced, but not expert. "Realistic" but not necessarily "real". Could make a good middle ground between the two types. I'd like that rule set!


IMO, i think expert is taken too far here. While the images should still be photographic in nature, they often times are not.

Message edited by author 2012-03-27 13:20:37.
03/27/2012 01:28:16 PM · #24
Originally posted by jdannels:


Re-reading the comments given by the jury on this image, many claim the factors such as the fog and deserted streets as key components to the image's gusto. I am surprised to see that the jury would simply dismiss this so easily. But it is your side challenge to do as you wish.


The jury lacks the power to validate the images it has chosen for its awards. It seems to me disingenuous to disqualify ONE image because it had the misfortune to fail the validation process in the official challenge. Who's to say which, if any, of the other juried-award images would themselves pass muster? It seems more rational to me to leave things as they are: "Of the images submitted to this challenge, these 18 are the ones that impressed the jury the most."

Regarding Art's query as to whether this might motivate others, in future, to disregard the editing rules in pursuit of an unofficial jury's stamp of approval, well that doesn't seem to me very likely to happen enough to matter. Obviously "illegal" images will get weeded out during voting, so they will fall off our list naturally, and it seems to me that's an awfully narrow line to tread for a painfully nebulous reward.

These are just my opinions; I'm not speaking officially for the jury here.

R.


03/27/2012 01:30:51 PM · #25
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Originally posted by adigitalromance:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Which goes to show that in spite of what people are clamouring for over at the get satisfaction site, DPC should NOT give official support to posthumous ribbons/awards and the like. Sure, there might not be any "rules" in art but there are at DPC.


Agreed. The meaning the awards have is enough without "official" support.

Shame about the DQ, but now I'm really interested to see the original.

It's curious to note there is no middle ground between Advanced Editing and Expert Editing. IMO, Advanced (or some version of) should allow such cloning so that there is an "in-between" towards the Expert challenges which are essentially Photoshop contests - epecially since the cloning rules are admittedly subjective.

There are oftentimes additional rules added to challenges that can act as a bridge between the two. Probably few and far between though.
Good idea though. I could see something like that going down well. Advanced, but not expert. "Realistic" but not necessarily "real". Could make a good middle ground between the two types. I'd like that rule set!


IMO, i think expert is taken too far here. While the images should still be photographic in nature, they often times are not.


Expert should include what he did here. There should be a separate category called "digital art" which covers what currently falls under expert.
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