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03/23/2012 02:42:54 PM · #1 |
So I have looked through a few challenges... and have noticed...
Most people seem to find my comment helpful. But it's interesting to find those who don't. Perhaps they skipped over the check box... but often I wonder, are they just pissed at me?
Honestly, it doesn't matter to me. I just find it hard to believe that some people can say the EXACT same things as I have said, and the photographer find THEIR comment helpful, but not mine?
People getting tired of my comments? My critique? My OPINIONS?
Hmm...
Just felt like letting that out.
Better now. On to more comments. :P
ETA: this is a rhetorical post. And I am not pinpointing anyone in this matter. :)
Message edited by author 2012-03-23 14:43:37.
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03/23/2012 02:44:35 PM · #2 |
There are some people that don't check the box at all...Don't feel bad. Keep commenting I have enjoyed them
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03/23/2012 02:45:55 PM · #3 |
I know some people don't. I'm just venting.
But I was referring more to the photographers that receive a lot of comments, and just seemingly skip over mine. Maybe its a mistake, maybe it's on purpose.
Whatever it is... it's intriguing. Makes me wonder. Makes me want to get even more in depth with my comments. :)
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03/23/2012 02:56:11 PM · #4 |
Do you ever go back and change a comment during voting? Even to just fix a spelling mistake? If you do that, the box is unchecked by the system, and sometimes the photographer doesn't see that it was unchecked.
Other times, I have noticed that some people are just very selective in who they give the "helpful" mark to. In some cases, only their friends get it. |
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03/23/2012 02:58:54 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by giantmike:
some people are just very selective in who they give the "helpful" mark to. In some cases, only their friends get it. |
That's because your enemies are rarely helpful. |
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03/23/2012 02:59:43 PM · #6 |
Nothing like commenting on comments on an ongoing challenge to try to phrase something as obliquely as possible to maintain anonymity in voting and still be on point, but.....it might be helpful if when you say you don't care for something (framing, processing, whatever it is) to say what bothers you or what you would do to improve that area of deficiency. Do go a bit more in depth. Just saying you don't like the framing, without saying what you would like to see included or excluded in the frame, is not very helpful.
That said, all comments are better than no comments, and some people will never mark even the most insightful and brilliant comment as such. Keep it up. |
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03/23/2012 03:01:36 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by dyridings:
Makes me want to get even more in depth with my comments. :) |
I recommend trying to comment more extensively (maybe three-to-five sentences) on 20% of the entries rather than something at all on 100% -- pick the first 20% or start after 15 entries or something if you still want the exercise of randomizing the pictures you comment on.
You also might want to get additional Brownie Points® by doing this under the auspices of the Critique Club, where you'll be randomly assigned a photo taken by someone who requests a more in-depth assessment, and thus should be more prepared to at least read it if not appreciate it. |
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03/23/2012 03:06:19 PM · #8 |
| You don't have to look long or hard to find a user whose images have all the great shot!'s and I love this!es marked as helpful, while a comment with a thoughtful, politely stated, and usually minor criticism sits glaringly unchecked. The message is heard loud and clear. |
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03/23/2012 03:19:16 PM · #9 |
Since there is no other "checked" reply, and we have had threads and threads about what is "helpful"...
The checkbox is an acknowledgement of the comment, not much more.
perhaps i you "miss the boat" on your comments so greatly or insult the aesthetics of some people, they will leave the box unchecked.
I almost always check it because helpful is too vague a concept. If somebody puts a letter... or nonsense words, I usually leave it unchecked.
Message edited by author 2012-03-23 15:24:22. |
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03/23/2012 03:22:29 PM · #10 |
Didn't expect so many responses in response to my "comment" lol.
Anyhow... Thanks for the input.
@giantmike: I rarely go back and change a comment, but thanks for pointing that out, something I had forgotten about.
@ArtROFLMAO: Always able to generate a chuckle. :)
@BrennanOB: I know there are many times I need to go more in depth. Some photos just don't provoke that thought from me... so I can't elaborate on some, others, I probably should. New goal set.
@GeneralE: See above comment to Brennan, I am going to go more in depth. I like knowing that I am commenting on every photo. Just seeing a comment can brighten some people's day, or make them think of how they could have done the photo differently, or anything. So I want to try and keep it at 100%. And as I am learning more while I am here, I have started adding a little more critique.
As for the Critique Club... that's a future goal. Definitely.
@bvy: I have seen that. Strange as it may be.
@blindjustice: agreed. Good points. Helpful is a vague term, and perhaps some people don't find my comment "helpful" in their terminology of the word. It's ok though. :)
But like I said, it's ok if it is left unchecked... not like it hurts my feelings. I just find some things amusing... this happened to be one of them.
Message edited by author 2012-03-23 15:23:50.
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03/23/2012 03:34:37 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
The checkbox is an acknowledgement of the comment, not much more. |
That's what I've slowly realized... Just basically a thank you for a comment.
Keep up the commenting Denielle. |
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03/23/2012 03:36:11 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
The checkbox is an acknowledgement of the comment, not much more. |
That's what I've slowly realized... Just basically a thank you for a comment.
Keep up the commenting Denielle. |
I plan to. Whether it's helpful or not.
And I try and thank those who leave comments on my photos as well. As I know it can be time consuming. :)
So for those of you have haven't personally thanked via PM.
Here's a public thanks!
And for those of you I have already thanked... another "thank you" publicly.
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03/23/2012 03:44:08 PM · #13 |
| ive noticed as well that if i check a comment as helpful on my iphone and then get home and look it will be unchecked without modification to the comment, i check helpful comments but if someone has missed what i was going for like in the art one of mine i wont, you and another commented that they wanted the face in focus i didnt hence i didnt check it as helpful, maybe a "i read it and appreciate it but i dont class it as helpful but respect your opinion" button is required ;) |
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03/23/2012 04:00:04 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
you and another commented that they wanted the face in focus i didnt hence i didnt check it as helpful, maybe a "i read it and appreciate it but i dont class it as helpful but respect your opinion" button is required ;) |
It seems to me any comment that helps you understand the reaction another person has to your image is helpful. They can miss the point, they can not understand that you did what you did intentionally, but if the comment adds to your understanding of their reaction, is it not helpful? Does it not let you know that you failed to be clear enough in your intent, at least to that audience of one?
If my reaction to a comment is "WTF does that mean?" or a comment is only on the subject photographed, with nothing relating to the image presented, then it isn't helpful. If all the comment does is tell me that they had some specific reaction, then I can learn from that. |
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03/23/2012 04:09:04 PM · #15 |
I think in future I'll only mark unhelpful comments helpful! :P
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03/23/2012 04:17:44 PM · #16 |
Denielle, You seem to be a quite prolific commenter, and I personally think it is awesome. Thanks for taking the time and effort.
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03/23/2012 04:32:43 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
you and another commented that they wanted the face in focus i didnt hence i didnt check it as helpful, maybe a "i read it and appreciate it but i dont class it as helpful but respect your opinion" button is required ;) |
It seems to me any comment that helps you understand the reaction another person has to your image is helpful. They can miss the point, they can not understand that you did what you did intentionally, but if the comment adds to your understanding of their reaction, is it not helpful? Does it not let you know that you failed to be clear enough in your intent, at least to that audience of one?
If my reaction to a comment is "WTF does that mean?" or a comment is only on the subject photographed, with nothing relating to the image presented, then it isn't helpful. If all the comment does is tell me that they had some specific reaction, then I can learn from that. |
totally agree if its a form about content, but if someone puts a comment about focus or composition or just doesn't get the shot at all, it can get pretty personal in that they are calling you out technically. It takes a unique individual to say "even the boneheaded comment was helpful because it shows my photo drew such a boneheaded, insulting reaction."
Seriously, when people are new to the site, perhaps they think it is wise, helpful or in fact necessary to point out every flaw in a shot as if their comment is the last piece of the puzzle the photographer needs to ribbon and have solo exhibits at MOMA. And maybe new entrants need that type of "learning experience."
Personally, one's impression of my shot is more important to me than telling me the focus is not sharp enough, or various other technical "flaws"- and by someones impression I mean, how it made you feel, good or bad, what elements of the shot as a whole you liked or didn't like, etc.
GeneralE was wise to point out quality over quantity. I would hate to discourage commenting in any way because along with forums, its the only way to communicate. But sometimes its OK to have nothing to say. |
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03/23/2012 04:46:08 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
And maybe new entrants need that type of "learning experience." |
I know I did. I occasionally run across one of my earlier comments about minor technical things. I also know that I would now blow off my own earlier comments as a new member's learning experience. What I like and what I appreciate in an image has changed a lot over the last 5 years.
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03/23/2012 08:52:18 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
And maybe new entrants need that type of "learning experience." |
I know I did. I occasionally run across one of my earlier comments about minor technical things. I also know that I would now blow off my own earlier comments as a new member's learning experience. What I like and what I appreciate in an image has changed a lot over the last 5 years. |
It has been said that one can learn more from the comments they leave than the ones they receive. this may be true. |
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03/23/2012 09:07:00 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
And maybe new entrants need that type of "learning experience." |
I know I did. I occasionally run across one of my earlier comments about minor technical things. I also know that I would now blow off my own earlier comments as a new member's learning experience. What I like and what I appreciate in an image has changed a lot over the last 5 years. |
It has been said that one can learn more from the comments they leave than the ones they receive. this may be true. |
I know my comments aren't always profound. I'm still learning. |
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03/23/2012 09:31:00 PM · #21 |
I don't think I have ever really checked to see if my comments are marked helpful, or not. I have received thank you messages for my comments, and I have received messages from people who have been upset. I do try to be constructive if I critique an image. However, my comment is just that. My comment... You may see it as right, wrong, or whatever. How you feel, doesn't make how I feel any more wrong, than it does make it right.
It is the same as voting. If I vote an image low it doesn't make the image, or the photographer, bad. It just means that I didn't care for it
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03/24/2012 04:14:19 AM · #22 |
| Not the response you're after, but I have found your comments to be some of the most observant and considered that I've received during recent challenges. You obviously take a thoughtful approach to it, so please don't let the "comment helpful" checkbox interfere with what you're doing, as there are a number of reasons as to why it may remain unchecked, and you're in control of none of those. |
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03/24/2012 08:15:25 AM · #23 |
I Don't check to see if mine are marked helpful and I always forget to check that box. I wouldnt take it as a slight if people didn't mark them.
Eta, they should just get rid of the box.
Message edited by author 2012-03-24 08:16:36. |
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03/24/2012 08:34:38 AM · #24 |
| Sometimes I write a critique and get a thank-you pm from the critiquee, but they don't check the box. Same with in-challenge comments. Doesn't really bother me. |
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03/24/2012 09:58:39 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
you and another commented that they wanted the face in focus i didnt hence i didnt check it as helpful, maybe a "i read it and appreciate it but i dont class it as helpful but respect your opinion" button is required ;) |
It seems to me any comment that helps you understand the reaction another person has to your image is helpful. They can miss the point, they can not understand that you did what you did intentionally, but if the comment adds to your understanding of their reaction, is it not helpful? Does it not let you know that you failed to be clear enough in your intent, at least to that audience of one?
If my reaction to a comment is "WTF does that mean?" or a comment is only on the subject photographed, with nothing relating to the image presented, then it isn't helpful. If all the comment does is tell me that they had some specific reaction, then I can learn from that. |
totally agree if its a form about content, but if someone puts a comment about focus or composition or just doesn't get the shot at all, it can get pretty personal in that they are calling you out technically. It takes a unique individual to say "even the boneheaded comment was helpful because it shows my photo drew such a boneheaded, insulting reaction."
Seriously, when people are new to the site, perhaps they think it is wise, helpful or in fact necessary to point out every flaw in a shot as if their comment is the last piece of the puzzle the photographer needs to ribbon and have solo exhibits at MOMA. And maybe new entrants need that type of "learning experience."
Personally, one's impression of my shot is more important to me than telling me the focus is not sharp enough, or various other technical "flaws"- and by someones impression I mean, how it made you feel, good or bad, what elements of the shot as a whole you liked or didn't like, etc.
GeneralE was wise to point out quality over quantity. I would hate to discourage commenting in any way because along with forums, its the only way to communicate. But sometimes its OK to have nothing to say. |
I hear this a lot in these threads -- "don't tell me about technical issues", and I think it's a real shame. Simply because my photography is so much better because of someone commenting on a technical issue. I received a comment a couple of years ago with a suggestion regarding my processing. I tried it out, and it made a huge difference in the photo. So even though I hear the "don't tell me about technical issues" comments, I continue to comment on technical issues, simply because someone appreciate it as much as I did. I understand that others might not care, and might even get offended, but I'm so grateful that someone braved my displeasure simply to help me, that I try to respond in kind.
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