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02/28/2012 09:19:12 AM · #1
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On this photo of the back of a store brand disinfecting wipe it says that it kills AIDS... Now, call me stupid but I could have sworn we don't have a cure for AIDS yet... How can this be when something as simple as a store brand disinfecting wipe can kill the virus?
02/28/2012 09:22:18 AM · #2
Perhaps killing it on non porus surfaces and killing it in your body are very different efforts? I'm not a doctor though. Where's Doc Sneezy at?
02/28/2012 09:25:20 AM · #3
In the Pharmaceutical industry there is no profit in cure only in treatment......
02/28/2012 09:28:11 AM · #4
I'm no expert, but the virus only lives a few minutes outside if the body anyway. That just kills it quicker.
02/28/2012 09:48:53 AM · #5
I do know that some years ago scientists learned that bleach does kill the AIDS virus but you cant exactly pour that into a patient. so the search continues....
02/28/2012 09:55:04 AM · #6
Perhaps if you have resorted to reading disinfecting wipe packs a hobby or pastime is needed.
Maybe photography or something like that.
02/28/2012 09:55:16 AM · #7
Like others have got at, a virus outside of a host, and inside a host, are two completely different things. However, listing something like that on a product is silly at best. The AIDS virus being contracted from a SURFACE is a miniscule likelihood at best. Unless you're in an environment where you are coming into contact with blood/semen on a constant basis from a surface, with cuts/scrapes on the parts of your body coming into contact with said surface, you're not going to have to worry about killing AIDS with a cleaning product. Also, if you ARE in that situation, you'd be damn well better off with better protection to begin with, such as latex gloves.

So it's just a ridiculous 'selling' point. Pointless.
02/28/2012 10:01:56 AM · #8
Originally posted by Tiny:

Perhaps if you have resorted to reading disinfecting wipe packs a hobby or pastime is needed.
Maybe photography or something like that.


Or perhaps trying to learn something isn't so bad afterall.
02/28/2012 10:20:48 AM · #9
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:

Originally posted by Tiny:

Perhaps if you have resorted to reading disinfecting wipe packs a hobby or pastime is needed.
Maybe photography or something like that.


Or perhaps trying to learn something isn't so bad afterall.


Oh... Photography can be bad. Very, very bad. Check some of my pictures...
02/28/2012 10:21:06 AM · #10
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Like others have got at, a virus outside of a host, and inside a host, are two completely different things. However, listing something like that on a product is silly at best. The AIDS virus being contracted from a SURFACE is a miniscule likelihood at best. Unless you're in an environment where you are coming into contact with blood/semen on a constant basis from a surface, with cuts/scrapes on the parts of your body coming into contact with said surface, you're not going to have to worry about killing AIDS with a cleaning product. Also, if you ARE in that situation, you'd be damn well better off with better protection to begin with, such as latex gloves.

So it's just a ridiculous 'selling' point. Pointless.


Sorta. I've never seen these declarations on non hospital grade products, but they are always on those that are (I work in a hospital). They are usually further accompanied by a modifier that describes the fashion that they must be used in accordance with in order to have that effect, as it is not instantaneous. Many bloodborne diseases are very vulnerable outside the body, but some are also more resilient. AIDS specifically can live for several hours under dry conditions (though generally as others have noted, measuring in minutes is more typical) whilst wet (like a syringe etc) it may persist for days.
It should be noted that many of the agents that are of such a strong grade are not recommended for skin contact to humans and, as noted, latex gloves are suggested during use, not just because of the agents in the work area, but also for the actual disinfectant.

Obviously, under normal conditions and for the average person these would be a bit ridiculous.

Lastly, as others have noted, it is relatively easy to kill diseases if survival of the host isn't a concern- incineration typically does the trick nicely, but obviously you can't suggest it as a "treatment." The trick is finding means that are sufficiently potent to kill the agent but targeted enough to not kill the patient. Chemo treads this line carefully, for instance.
02/28/2012 10:21:55 AM · #11
What seems even more strange to me is that it claims to kill AIDS. I thought AIDS was a condition and the virus is HIV.
02/28/2012 10:23:32 AM · #12
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Like others have got at, a virus outside of a host, and inside a host, are two completely different things. However, listing something like that on a product is silly at best. The AIDS virus being contracted from a SURFACE is a miniscule likelihood at best. Unless you're in an environment where you are coming into contact with blood/semen on a constant basis from a surface, with cuts/scrapes on the parts of your body coming into contact with said surface, you're not going to have to worry about killing AIDS with a cleaning product. Also, if you ARE in that situation, you'd be damn well better off with better protection to begin with, such as latex gloves.

So it's just a ridiculous 'selling' point. Pointless.


Sorta. I've never seen these declarations on non hospital grade products, but they are always on those that are (I work in a hospital). They are usually further accompanied by a modifier that describes the fashion that they must be used in accordance with in order to have that effect, as it is not instantaneous. Many bloodborne diseases are very vulnerable outside the body, but some are also more resilient. AIDS specifically can live for several hours under dry conditions (though generally as others have noted, measuring in minutes is more typical) whilst wet (like a syringe etc) it may persist for days.
It should be noted that many of the agents that are of such a strong grade are not recommended for skin contact to humans and, as noted, latex gloves are suggested during use, not just because of the agents in the work area, but also for the actual disinfectant.

Obviously, under normal conditions and for the average person these would be a bit ridiculous.

Lastly, as others have noted, it is relatively easy to kill diseases if survival of the host isn't a concern- incineration typically does the trick nicely, but obviously you can't suggest it as a "treatment." The trick is finding means that are sufficiently potent to kill the agent but targeted enough to not kill the patient. Chemo treads this line carefully, for instance.


Thank you for the more detailed explanation. I definitely was approaching it from a "general everyday use" point of view.
02/28/2012 11:11:51 AM · #13
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:

I do know that some years ago scientists learned that bleach does kill the AIDS virus but you cant exactly pour that into a patient. so the search continues....


Indeed, We have hospital grade wipes where I work and I was reading the labels on our container. Had a similar listing of what it killed, but the warnings were pretty scary...they recommend not getting that stuff on your skin and wearing gloves while using it. While bleach, chlorine or whatever does kill the HIV virus, the medicine bottle would have Death listed as a side-effect and that might be a little too much for a medicine company to handle. Can you imagine the ads? :P
02/28/2012 12:00:17 PM · #14
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:

LINK TO PHOTO.

On this photo of the back of a store brand disinfecting wipe it says that it kills AIDS... Now, call me stupid but I could have sworn we don't have a cure for AIDS yet... How can this be when something as simple as a store brand disinfecting wipe can kill the virus?


Normally you would say that something can kill off HIV, which is the virus causing the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS), not that it can kill AIDS, as this is not a virus, but the consequence of the infection.
What the others say, HIV is not particularly resilient when exposed to air and there is a variety of disinfectant and more generic cleaning product which will neutralize it quite effectively.
Eradicating it or making it harmless inside the human body without creating damage is, as with any other virus, a completely different thing.

After all, there are many ways of getting an house rid of rats, but burning it down might not be the best one:)

I suppose that listing the various micro-organisms against which a product is effective is a good way of selling more of it :)
02/28/2012 06:04:11 PM · #15
Originally posted by bflo_guy:

Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:

I do know that some years ago scientists learned that bleach does kill the AIDS virus but you cant exactly pour that into a patient. so the search continues....


Indeed, We have hospital grade wipes where I work and I was reading the labels on our container. Had a similar listing of what it killed, but the warnings were pretty scary...they recommend not getting that stuff on your skin and wearing gloves while using it. While bleach, chlorine or whatever does kill the HIV virus, the medicine bottle would have Death listed as a side-effect and that might be a little too much for a medicine company to handle. Can you imagine the ads? :P


Bleach isn't really good for your skin either. There are not insignificant amounts of lye in with the bleach. Both are highly corrosive.
02/28/2012 07:56:41 PM · #16
Wouldn't it be something if all along the cure for aids was wiping yourself with one of those....

or if the cure for cancer was michael jackson....nevermind....Dave Chappelle bit that I shouldn't repeat....
02/28/2012 07:57:09 PM · #17
It's just a sales gimmick. The aids virus does not survive long outside the human body. If you are afraid of aids, you buy the wipes that will "kill" it. Certain mouthwashes claim to kill the bacteria that cause tooth decay. Using it will not fill your cavities in your teeth, and you will still need to brush them.

02/28/2012 08:06:50 PM · #18
Originally posted by mcaldo:

After all, there are many ways of getting an house rid of rats, but burning it down might not be the best one:)

I think Zippo should put 'Kills rats, aids, and the flu virus' on their lighters.
02/28/2012 08:13:28 PM · #19
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:

LINK TO PHOTO.

On this photo of the back of a store brand disinfecting wipe it says that it kills AIDS... Now, call me stupid but I could have sworn we don't have a cure for AIDS yet... How can this be when something as simple as a store brand disinfecting wipe can kill the virus?

So are they suggesting it's good to wrap your penis with this if you have AIDS and don't want to transmit it during sex?

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