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02/07/2012 04:28:56 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by slickchik:
Originally posted by ubique:
My only motivation is to reduce the amount of 'photography' present in most of the photographs at DPC. Unless you're really, really, really good (and hardly anyone is, incl me), photography just makes photographs dull and boring. |
I've been thinking lately how boring the majority of challenge images are, including mine. Very, very few images move me. I want to get away from that. I am sick, sick, sick of boring. I am also sick of overdone images. The same old types of images win. Over and over. I mean, some of these shots were cool the first time I saw them, and I even wanted to create similar things. Now, I am so OVER trying to be someone else and I am so over watching other people do the same. |
Familiarity breeds contempt. I think this is universally true with regard to photography. It doesn't matter WHAT site you are on, if you keep looking at that site, it will grow old. |
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02/07/2012 04:36:20 PM · #102 |
This place amazes me.....always has. From the rawest of n00bs, to the most avant garde, there's no shortage of differing points of view. I was amused to hear Wendy grumbling about having a lack of imagination and feeling inadequate from a creative standpoint. My girlfriend is an incredible painter......and she's all over the map. She's dark & moody, she's bright and sunny......I've watched her make that special effect in her paintings with her fingers....I'm not even in the same sport as she is if art is a sport. Yet she says she truly likes the way I see some of the things I shoot. I don't get it, 'cause some of that is just the way I see things. I don't consider myself creative at all, but I enjoy photography immensely. I have no interest in painting, and I doubt I'd be any good at it anyway.
One of the things that this site has taught me is that I can learn from anyone. Sometimes someone who doesn't know they can't do something is able to do just that.......accomplish something impossible because they don't know enough to be intimidated by the difficulty of the task. Plus......there will always be the stone naturals that no amount of learning and knowledge can ever emulate.
The willingness that people here have to share who they are as well as what they can do is truly wonderful as well. Some days I'm completely overwhelmed with the generosity of the people here, both as photographers, and as truly good and caring people.
I love these in-depth, searching threads because it gives me such an insight to levels of thinking and seeing things I normally would not. And because they intrigue me, I can absorb so much more than if I was trying to follow a curriculum.
I pretty much would like to thank all of the people in this thread for their views, and that I'll be richer for having read your views.
Ramble off.....
More on topic......I'll be reading EVERY comment I get from now on with a completely different mindset. I'll be a lot more likely to go to their profile if I don't already know them as it may help me to see where their critique may be coming from.
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02/07/2012 04:42:39 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
More on topic......I'll be reading EVERY comment I get from now on with a completely different mindset. I'll be a lot more likely to go to their profile if I don't already know them as it may help me to see where their critique may be coming from. |
There's a gold nugget of advice. I have done this quite often in the 7+ years I've been imprisoned here and it does help get perspective and learning. |
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02/07/2012 04:58:20 PM · #104 |
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02/07/2012 05:08:18 PM · #105 |
Oscar Wilde, during his tour of the US, happened to be in a saloon (of course) in in Leadville, Colorado -- a place described as having 'ten months of Winter and two months of mighty late in the Fall' -- when he saw a sign requesting of patrons"Please do not shoot the pianist
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he is doing his best" about which he observed "That is the only rational method of art criticism I have ever come across."
Message edited by author 2012-02-07 17:09:03. |
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02/07/2012 05:12:46 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Marry her, Jeb. |
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02/07/2012 05:17:43 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I don't get it, 'cause some of that is just the way I see things. I don't consider myself creative at all |
Creative people are magicians. Magicians use illusion, not magic. There is no magic. There is no creativity that you don't already possess. |
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02/07/2012 06:06:42 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Seeing I started this whole rambling mess off with a quote from a writer, let me now finish it off with a quote from a photographer.
It's called Chances Are, You Suck, by photographer & photojournalist Kenneth Jarecke, and was published just yesterday. |
I think the guy posted part of this somewhere else in the past, or perhaps somebody with very similar ideas.
My favourite quote from that article:
"This isn't like teaching a child to read. Positive reinforcement is your enemy. Your Facebook friends, your Twitter followers... hate you."
My favourite quote on that topic:
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02/11/2012 11:37:36 AM · #109 |
One of the main reasons I joined this site was for advice and critisism.
many of us are here topublish our image and get feedback.
I value ANY comments, apart from the "that rubbish" type.
Ok so if you think its a snapshot, tell me. If you think it could be improved, how.
A photograph is someones time taken to take, post, and look for the feedback.If you are going to put your image up for consideration you are openingit up for negative and positive comments.
To be honnest, negative comments or possitive comments are all someones time taken to communicate. No comments at all show indiference, and for the artist there is no harsher critisism than Indiference. |
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02/11/2012 11:43:38 AM · #110 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Seeing I started this whole rambling mess off with a quote from a writer, let me now finish it off with a quote from a photographer.
It's called Chances Are, You Suck, by photographer & photojournalist Kenneth Jarecke, and was published just yesterday. |
"Your Facebook friends, your Twitter followers... hate you. Instead of taking ten seconds to say. "This doesn't work. You need to do better". They readily push that "like" button, because it's easy and they hope to get the same from you, but also because they're cowards."
Bingo!
R.
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02/11/2012 12:08:35 PM · #111 |
Robert, that made me laugh out loud!
Interesting little thread! :) Thank you! |
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02/11/2012 12:14:58 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by ubique:
Seeing I started this whole rambling mess off with a quote from a writer, let me now finish it off with a quote from a photographer.
It's called Chances Are, You Suck, by photographer & photojournalist Kenneth Jarecke, and was published just yesterday. |
"Your Facebook friends, your Twitter followers... hate you. Instead of taking ten seconds to say. "This doesn't work. You need to do better". They readily push that "like" button, because it's easy and they hope to get the same from you, but also because they're cowards."
Bingo!
R. |
Yes, yes... Someone who takes the time to critically evaluate your work is a valuable asset and is a "true" help vs others that mindlessly "like" the polished turds you post.
I'd rather a friend hurt me with the truth than be deceptively kissed with cheap compliments by an enemy. |
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02/11/2012 12:58:42 PM · #113 |
Here's more from the same source of Ubique's:
"So how do you become a better photographer when you're reinforced with so much unearned praise from your internet buddies? What's your motivation, to get a hundred likes instead of just ten? There's an easy recipe for that. Start making pictures of cats. Better yet, kittens... kittens and children. You'll soon be more awesome then you could possibly imagine.
I only bring this up, because I stumble upon (as do you) so many Facebook groups (or other social networking sites) which are just filled with hideous images underscored with meaningless praise. I find it depressing. If nothing is bad, can anything be good?
More depressing, google "great photography", better yet don't. Some things, once seen cannot be unseen (either me or Gandalf said that first)."
Try it. Google it. Isn't that appalling?
R.
Message edited by author 2012-02-11 12:59:09.
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02/11/2012 01:05:18 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Here's more from the same source of Ubique's:
"So how do you become a better photographer when you're reinforced with so much unearned praise from your internet buddies? What's your motivation, to get a hundred likes instead of just ten? There's an easy recipe for that. Start making pictures of cats. Better yet, kittens... kittens and children. You'll soon be more awesome then you could possibly imagine.
I only bring this up, because I stumble upon (as do you) so many Facebook groups (or other social networking sites) which are just filled with hideous images underscored with meaningless praise. I find it depressing. If nothing is bad, can anything be good?
More depressing, google "great photography", better yet don't. Some things, once seen cannot be unseen (either me or Gandalf said that first)."
Try it. Google it. Isn't that appalling?
R. |
Yes, sure is. |
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02/11/2012 04:32:27 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
More depressing, google "great photography", better yet don't. Some things, once seen cannot be unseen (either me or Gandalf said that first)."
Try it. Google it. Isn't that appalling?
R. |
Well, I guess it is, in a sense, or perhaps two, the actualization of the "garbage in, garbage out" principle.
Not necessarily people proficient at search engine optimization and keywording are also that knowledgeable about photography, more about photographic trends on the internet, butterfly life-span stuff really.
But also, what he suggests to google doesn't make much sense either. 'Great' really means nothing. Would I really google for 'great music', 'great wine', 'great artists' and expect anything meaningful to come up? Perhaps 'great boops' might get me something really exceptional, but arts are badly served by the term :D
But among the first page results a 'most influential photographers' will show up, courtesy of google's thesaurus, and that's a list of 100 names we all know pretty well :) |
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02/11/2012 05:59:05 PM · #116 |
I think that part of our "problem" is us. We ask for more challenges, because one a week, or let alone a month, is not nearly enough to keep the masses happy. If you have 150 images in a challenge, how much time can you spend with each image, and vote much less than comment, on them all?
In mass mailings, it is said that you have about 30 seconds at most to grab and hold the viewer's attention. Sound like challenge voting? To me it does. So, the images that can grab the attention quickly get rewarded. If you want to see a decent score, you have to create an image that will do just that. Ever get junk mail that you framed and hung on the wall for years? Me neither... The system works against images that take time to be appreciated for their depth and underlying quality. Yet it is the system that, we the members, demad.
Our very society is ever more demanding of quick results and rewards. We blast through the latest "thing" ever more quickly, and proclaim ourselves bored with it all. Twitter thrives on the short and quick. We tweet, but are not about to read a novel.
We have met the enemy, and he is us... -Pogo
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02/11/2012 06:43:49 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
"We have met the enemy, and he is us..." -Pogo |
My hero!
R.
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02/12/2012 12:19:42 AM · #118 |
Originally posted by Bpzzr:
One of the main reasons I joined this site was for advice and critisism.
many of us are here topublish our image and get feedback.
I value ANY comments, apart from the "that rubbish" type.
Ok so if you think its a snapshot, tell me. If you think it could be improved, how.
A photograph is someones time taken to take, post, and look for the feedback.If you are going to put your image up for consideration you are openingit up for negative and positive comments.
To be honnest, negative comments or possitive comments are all someones time taken to communicate. No comments at all show indiference, and for the artist there is no harsher critisism than Indiference. |
Request critiques. And post images in threads asking for feedback but ready for honest assessments. |
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02/12/2012 09:32:56 AM · #119 |
Originally posted by Bpzzr:
One of the main reasons I joined this site was for advice and critisism.
many of us are here topublish our image and get feedback.
I value ANY comments, apart from the "that rubbish" type.
Ok so if you think its a snapshot, tell me. If you think it could be improved, how.
A photograph is someones time taken to take, post, and look for the feedback.If you are going to put your image up for consideration you are openingit up for negative and positive comments.
To be honnest, negative comments or possitive comments are all someones time taken to communicate. No comments at all show indiference, and for the artist there is no harsher critisism than Indiference. |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Request critiques. And post images in threads asking for feedback but ready for honest assessments. |
Hmm.....
I remember you saying something recently about you being the "Last Man Standing" in the Critique Club.
I don't mean to seem dense, but wouldn't an active and organized body of folks (Possibly the ones who are *constantly* bemoaning the lack of feedback), who shoot and critique each others' images be a good idea????
A back and forth with an intelligent and honest exchange of help and impressions?
Just sayin'......
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