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11/21/2011 05:25:43 AM · #1 |
Looking at HDR photographs is like attending a concert by a symphony orchestra where every instrument is played simultaneously at maximum volume for 3 hours. It's excruciating, and it murders the music.
(P.S. Apologies (actually, doubly so) to my friend  Bear_Music) |
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11/21/2011 05:30:31 AM · #2 |
| I've just voted on half the entries and i had to take a break as i was feeling a bit dizzy and ever so slightly nauseous. My own entry in the challenge is at 4.4 but i can't tell if that's because i'm not making enough people dizzy or too many. |
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11/21/2011 05:35:16 AM · #3 |
| Slightly nauseous is also the way I feel after looking through, not a big HDR fan, a lot if over cooked puddings in this one. |
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11/21/2011 05:44:23 AM · #4 |
| True (probably guilty as charged too but I was worried if it is not obvious it will be DNMC'd). My impression during voting was that some DPCers may equate very saturated look with HDR. Maybe we need an educational HDR Side Challenge? |
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11/21/2011 05:56:22 AM · #5 |
To go with your musical analogy, in celtic music there is something called ornamentation, which is embellishing the melody with slight variations to give swing to the music, often making the difference between a good and an excellent player.
Steve Baughman, a great celtic guitarist, once wrote that if somebody compliments you on your ornamentation you are probably doing it all wrong.
Perhaps postprocessing, albeit necessary and critical, shouldn't be the main point of an image :)
I suppose that's the difference between using HDR as an effect rather than to subtly expanding the dynamic range.
Also, it's pretty difficult to do HDR without subverting the natural light patterns, basically adding a dozen virtual strobos and illuminating everything pretty incoherently with the actual illumination of the scene.
But I think it can be done effectively, just, most people will not even realize it's HDR.
Admittedly, I think that most people will favour the SF hdr style rather than more subtle approaches.
Message edited by author 2011-11-21 05:58:46. |
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11/21/2011 06:19:21 AM · #6 |
| Great thread. Musical analogies work here. In big time corporate rock music production it is a technique, both in live and album settings, to not put songs with too many big cymbal hits next to each other for ear fatigue reasons. HDR back to back is like the bashing of crash cymbals for the eyes. Eye fatigue. |
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11/21/2011 06:21:09 AM · #7 |
I had a very subtle HDR entry but decided to boost it for this exact point dpc'ers dont do subtle if it's not in their face and over pp'd they ont get it, same with grain etc ppl wanted lashings of it.
I've not voted yet but nothing looked outstanding previewing thumbnails, mines at 5.1 meh
let me retract that on viewing and voting on 17" mac book pro rather than iphone 12 8's and 3 9's :)
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Message edited by author 2011-11-21 07:45:40. |
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11/21/2011 07:49:08 AM · #8 |
The early year of HDR processing software output continues to contaminate the minds of many. The stereotype (over-saturation, surreality and grunge) that was established lingers in the ether as discordant noise or (if one is generous in critique) harmonic contrasts and innovative melodies and themes.
The HDR software has dramatically improved. Natural, beautiful and "un-HDR-like" images are not only possible, but should be the goal. The output of HDR processing can be indistinguishable from what one saw with one's eyes. To present the surreal instead only celebrates the bizarre HDR results of the early years. But, some may prefer the Sonatori sconcertati (Discordant Musicians). That's okay, too. |
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11/21/2011 07:57:33 AM · #9 |
| It's all up to the individual what's pleasing, I turn mine up to 11 because its louder than 10! |
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11/21/2011 08:08:44 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Looking at HDR photographs is like attending a concert by a symphony orchestra where every instrument is played simultaneously at maximum volume for 3 hours. It's excruciating, and it murders the music.
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I agree, but like everything else, there is a right way and a wrong way. With HDR, moderation is best. You should barely be able to tell that HDR was applied. Subtle is the way to go. Too often, as in this challenge, the effect is applied with a sledgehammer rather than painters brush. |
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11/21/2011 08:10:13 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by gcoulson:
Too often, as in this challenge, the effect is applied with a sledgehammer rather than painters brush. |
Best quote of the day |
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11/21/2011 08:13:00 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by gcoulson:
[quote=ubique] With HDR, moderation is best. |
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I didn't boost too much because I don't like it. When the images are full of halos, well, there's a mistake in that. I'm pretty sure that my image is for someone too colorful and for others not HDR enoguh... maybe I'm in the middle :D |
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11/21/2011 08:16:54 AM · #13 |
To me, HDR should only be applied when it adds to the photgraph. Hence, if you can fit the histogram without cutting the edges, the motif doesn't justify the use of HDR. A flat image shouldn't be made obscure by vomiting HDR colours all over it :)
Also, whenever halos / aura is present, the HDR is, in my opinion, overdone. Especially at 800x800px they shouldn't be eminent.
I was very reluctant to submit to this challenge
a) because I've never done HDR myself before
b) because I think voters will DNMC it
But I love being "forced" out of the comfort zone.
And this is a great discussion! |
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11/21/2011 08:21:15 AM · #14 |
It's a voting site so people will naturally judge, but folks are here for many reasons; one of which is to simply post stuff online and hopefully have a little fun.
Like most I only enjoy viewing HDR when it isn't even noticable, but when I'm on the decks and have the photomatix knobs in my hands, I enjoy going a bit mental. It's fun. Not everything we do has to be a the quest for the perfect representation of photography. |
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11/21/2011 08:21:20 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by pederlol:
whenever halos / aura is present, the HDR is, in my opinion, overdone. Especially at 800x800px they shouldn't be eminent. |
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11/21/2011 08:46:14 AM · #16 |
I think mine is only slightly on the well done side and it's showing in a mediocre average (as I expected). I should have turned up the heat a little more, perhaps. Glad to be able to offend people's sensibilities once in a while.
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11/21/2011 08:49:25 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Alexkc:
I'm pretty sure that my image is for someone too colorful and for others not HDR enoguh... maybe I'm in the middle :D |
This is me, too. Although "technically" not an HDR (I only used one image), it IS processed HDR-ly, but also subtly. |
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11/21/2011 08:53:00 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
It's a voting site so people will naturally judge, but folks are here for many reasons; one of which is to simply post stuff online and hopefully have a little fun.
Like most I only enjoy viewing HDR when it isn't even noticable, but when I'm on the decks and have the photomatix knobs in my hands, I enjoy going a bit mental. It's fun. Not everything we do has to be a the quest for the perfect representation of photography. |
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For the last HDR challenge, I processed for a natural look like many of you have stated (and rightly so) should be the result of using the HDR techniques. I did well in voting, 11th place, and received several good comments on the processing. Now I have submitted my fair share of overcooked (hopefully with minimal halos though) HDR images in other challenges with mixed results. I decided this time to go a little over the top to see how it would be received by voters in a HDR challenge. So far the voters seem to like the slightly overcooked look. Or maybe they are just expecting this look and in fact need some education on proper HDR application.
But as Bohemia stated, sometimes HDR is fun due to the unrealistic look that can be achieved. Sometimes there is a place for this also. To me it is about the same as the expert editing challenges where unrealistic images are created by compositing, etc.
Judging purely by score, for me slightly over the top this challenge is doing better than completely natural from last challenge. Of course that ignores the effect of subject choice differences.
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11/21/2011 09:02:13 AM · #19 |
The OP prefers the blurry, grainy, moody stuff. Many others dislike it and find it unpleasant to look at. Overcranked HDR is not very different in that regard. We all have our preferences and dislikes. Me? I find flower shots boring. I still can't bring myself to drop a low vote on a well done one, however.
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11/21/2011 09:10:54 AM · #20 |
Too much pp is just too much, no matter what technique it is. Too much sharpening leaves haloes; too much saturation and the colours don't look real; too much HDR and suddenly you get neon chromatic aberration.
I wish people would remember that this is first and foremost a photography site, not a digital art one! Too much pp will only make a poor photo look worse, and will handily ruin a good photo by detracting from the subject matter and drawing attention to it.
Haven't voted yet but will be soon, once I find my shades. |
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11/21/2011 09:16:32 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Haven't voted yet but will be soon, once I find my shades. |
Make sure those are NDx10 at least :) |
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11/21/2011 09:19:23 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by pederlol:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Haven't voted yet but will be soon, once I find my shades. |
Make sure those are NDx10 at least :) |
Actually I think if I turn down the brightness on the monitor and use the ND8X filter, I'll be OK :-) |
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11/21/2011 09:30:25 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by pederlol:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Haven't voted yet but will be soon, once I find my shades. |
Make sure those are NDx10 at least :) |
:) |
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11/21/2011 09:42:26 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
But, some may prefer the Sonatori sconcertati (Discordant Musicians). That's okay, too. |
You made me smile, also because "Sonatori Sconcertati" in current Italian translates more straightly as "Clueless Musicians" :D
This said and to link with the previous posts, sure, everybody should be free to enjoy and produce anything, even over the top hdr halos :)
However, I have a feeling that the HDR punch is a bit like the sepia tone. First time you see it its wonderful and seem to enhance any image, even an otherwise pointless one. After a while most people gets fed up with it though, and start getting surprised when they stumble into an image were sepia tones really add to the image. Same for HDR I think. The over the top look can go well with some subject and concept, but rarely. |
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11/21/2011 09:45:13 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by mcaldo:
Originally posted by hahn23:
But, some may prefer the Sonatori sconcertati (Discordant Musicians). That's okay, too. |
You made me smile, also because "Sonatori Sconcertati" in current Italian translates more straightly as "Clueless Musicians" :D
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