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 07/26/2004 11:29:11 PM · #1
I've submitted an entry to the Everyday Objects challenge, and it's (probably) going to do fine. It won't win; it won't bomb, and I predict it will finish between 5 and 6. (Then again, I've almost always gotten my predictions wrong!). Technically, it's a good photo. Not perfect, but as good as I can make it. So what's the problem?

It's not an image with heart. It's a technical answer to the challenge which can't be faulted for not meeting the challenge. But I have another image which I like more, but something tells me will do worse in the challenge. Given the subject matter, it's still not an image with a lot of WOW; I had trouble coming up with something with WOW.

It's just an image that gives me a bigger warm and fuzzy when I look at it. I'm probably not explaining it very well, but the dilemma is: do I submit the photo that will probably get a bit higher score but is only a technical response to the challenge, or do I submit the photo which will likely earn a lower score but which, for some reason I can't figure out, appeals to me more? By the way, the subject of both images is nearly identical. It's the treatment that's different.

I sure wish we could submit two images! LOL
07/26/2004 11:34:12 PM · #2
I think you should follow your warm fuzzy heart. I entered one too...and i expect a 3 or below...hehehe. But I enjoy my entry anyway. ;)
 07/26/2004 11:37:00 PM · #3
warm and fuzzy is the way to go. always follow your heart, regardless of how it will score.
 07/26/2004 11:37:13 PM · #4
Submit the image you love. I try to approach this site as a learning experience. Submit the one you like the best and get feedback, so that the next time you will shoot with a little more knowlede that you had before. I found that when I take photos that make me happy, I am a much happier more insightful photographer. Along the way I get that one person who gets it. To me that is so much better than a whole room full of people who say that you technically answered the challenge.

Good Luck
dc
 07/26/2004 11:37:28 PM · #5
g3 is right. how you think others will perceive your shot is doomed to fail. too many people on board. If you choose a shot you like & are proud of you cant go wrong no matter how you do in the results.
good luck with your choice.
I still have to shoot my shot! got an idea tho!
 07/26/2004 11:46:57 PM · #6
So far, I guess I'm proof of going with what you like.
I'm not in a position to contrive too many shots at this point, so I share what I see and work out the technical stuff as I go. If it ain't artsy fartsy to someone's "cultured" eye, tough.

07/26/2004 11:56:09 PM · #7
I hate to go against everyone else, but submit the one you know will do well. Keep the one you love away from the nasty "does not meet the challenge" useless comment of the voters. Remember, the one you love is still yours even if you didn't submit it to a challenge. Put it up in a forum for positive and even constructive comments, but keep it away from the voters. It will just make you mad when they don't "get it."
 07/26/2004 11:57:57 PM · #8
Okay, maybe I just needed to hear what you all seem to be saying. I'm going to pull my original entry and go with the one I like better. Anyone who might take the time after the challenge to look up my entry is going to laugh at me even having this dilemma when you see the two images, but that's okay. I am going to follow my heart. (And, as someone said, I'll also get feedback which will be more useful anyway).

Thanks! :-)
 07/27/2004 12:06:29 AM · #9
I think you should always submit the one you like and not the one you think It would do better. I always do that. I think know the recipee of a winning shot on this site, but I don't like it, so I do my thing and if I manage to finish in the first half of the pack and I get a few people who likes what I do, I'm more happier than if I won a challenge with a shot people like but I don't. Ofcourse I'd like to win once with one shot I like, that would make me really happy.

lol I think that will never happen because I like grain in my photographs, in my album cover shot I had no grain initialy but I made some in photoshop even if I knew that more than half of the voters here probably will punish me for it, I don't care, I like the mood it creates in my shot and that's what matters to me. And if I get a comment saying he likes the effect of my grain, that's more to me than all 3 ribbons together. :)))

Message edited by author 2004-07-27 00:11:03.
 07/27/2004 12:06:33 AM · #10
Enter in the name of photography not popularity. I have the theory that if my image touches one person the way I intended when I created it then it's worth it, even if the score is bad.
 07/27/2004 12:09:44 AM · #11
I'll reiterate briefly - just because it's not in a challenge, doesn't mean you don't still have that image. And, you can still share it, and it can still touch someone. But, you don't have to agonize about why people hated it in the challenge, or get comments about how it doesn't meet the challenge.
 07/27/2004 12:12:54 AM · #12
I find myself siding with with frumoaznicul and BooZon here. Submit a photo just for the three of us. ;-)


07/27/2004 12:17:10 AM · #13
Originally posted by StevePax:
I'll reiterate briefly - just because it's not in a challenge, doesn't mean you don't still have that image. And, you can still share it, and it can still touch someone. But, you don't have to agonize about why people hated it in the challenge, or get comments about how it doesn't meet the challenge.


I just think he's saying that he's gotten to the place that he won't agonize over the ones who don't get it and will get everything out of the one that maybe does, and it will mean more. I would like to see more of what people love instead of what they have calculated to win. It has a lot more vitality in the end.
 07/27/2004 12:18:18 AM · #14
Originally posted by StevePax:
...you don't have to agonize about why people hated it in the challenge, or get comments about how it doesn't meet the challenge.


But why agonize? Let him sweat photography and afford him the amusement of small comments! ;-)
07/27/2004 12:20:45 AM · #15
Originally posted by Kylie:
...I would like to see more of what people love instead of what they have calculated to win. It has a lot more vitality in the end.


Absolutely, yes!

Message edited by author 2004-07-27 00:21:25.
 07/27/2004 12:27:36 AM · #16
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by Kylie:
...I would like to see more of what people love instead of what they have calculated to win. It has a lot more vitality in the end.


Absolutely, yes!


Yea that would make this site the greatest. Do what you like to do don't become ribbon slaves!
 07/27/2004 12:36:48 AM · #17
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by Kylie:
...I would like to see more of what people love instead of what they have calculated to win. It has a lot more vitality in the end.


Absolutely, yes!


Yea that would make this site the greatest. Do what you like to do don't become ribbon slaves!


Absolutely! I would like to see more arty photos that speak from the creators heart. Not clinically created clones designed to attract votes.
 07/27/2004 04:28:24 AM · #18
The site is about learning -- but it approaches learning from its competitive aspect. I have seen many winning photographs from all types of photography. Any style of photography can win a ribbon (yes, even grainy artsy shots ;), but if the stype of photography is off of the mainstream the photo has to be that much better than the rest.

Enter the one you love. That way, even if you don't win, you will learn how to better do what you love. Eventually, you could even learn to do it well enough to make others love it as well. But if you only do what you know others will love, you are not learning anything of value to you.

David
 07/27/2004 04:30:04 AM · #19
Originally posted by BooZon:
Not clinically created clones designed to attract votes.


Hmmmmm..... now which one could you be thinking of?
 07/27/2004 07:09:38 AM · #20
Originally posted by BooZon:
Enter in the name of photography not popularity. I have the theory that if my image touches one person the way I intended when I created it then it's worth it, even if the score is bad.


Sometimes I enter a photo out of necessity.

Common thought running through my head: "If I could just skip work today but still get my regular paycheque... I could implement that kick-ass idea I have for the current DPC challenge... instead of entering... THIS."

Or, "Why couldn't I have thought of that idea FIRST?!" =)
 07/27/2004 07:13:04 AM · #21
Originally posted by boomer:
I've submitted an entry to the Everyday Objects challenge, and it's (probably) going to do fine. It won't win; it won't bomb, and I predict it will finish between 5 and 6. (Then again, I've almost always gotten my predictions wrong!). Technically, it's a good photo. Not perfect, but as good as I can make it. So what's the problem?

It's not an image with heart. It's a technical answer to the challenge which can't be faulted for not meeting the challenge. But I have another image which I like more, but something tells me will do worse in the challenge. Given the subject matter, it's still not an image with a lot of WOW; I had trouble coming up with something with WOW.

It's just an image that gives me a bigger warm and fuzzy when I look at it. I'm probably not explaining it very well, but the dilemma is: do I submit the photo that will probably get a bit higher score but is only a technical response to the challenge, or do I submit the photo which will likely earn a lower score but which, for some reason I can't figure out, appeals to me more? By the way, the subject of both images is nearly identical. It's the treatment that's different.

I sure wish we could submit two images! LOL


if you want, submit the image under under my name as I did not enter this challenge, altho it might be against the site rules.
 07/27/2004 07:15:54 AM · #22
Originally posted by rgordon:
Sometimes I enter a photo out of necessity.

Common thought running through my head: "If I could just skip work today but still get my regular paycheque... I could implement that kick-ass idea I have for the current DPC challenge... instead of entering... THIS."

Or, "Why couldn't I have thought of that idea FIRST?!" =)


I think we have all thought that. I'd like to have the luxury of having two pics to enter. I have taken my camera to work in the search of the winning shot. Unfortunately the ones I have taken there bombed

07/27/2004 07:20:31 AM · #23
Originally posted by BooZon:
I think we have all thought that. I'd like to have the luxury of having two pics to enter. I have taken my camera to work in the search of the winning shot. Unfortunately the ones I have taken there bombed


Well, if there's ever a challenge for "Grey Cubical Farm From Hell" I've got a winning shot waiting for me at work. ;-)
 07/27/2004 07:28:41 AM · #24
As a ribbon slave I'd like to chime in:

I enjoy trying to win a ribbon, it's fun for me. Even though I take lots of pictures of things I like, if I don't think it's going to do well, I save myself the torment of no comments and a depressing score.

Also, if everyone just "submits whatever they want", the overall quality of photography could potential plummet here at dpc. Maybe not, but I feel it's the competition that keeps the submissions top notch ... everyone wants to win.

I'm with Steve on this one, but I don't completely disagree with the other side of the coin.
 07/27/2004 07:35:03 AM · #25
Last image I went with I went with the one I liked.
Go with it....it's what you like that is important.

by the way...last image looks like a possible ribbon!

You may be surprised.
Boomer, you're talented. Go with your talent and your gut you'll do well.
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