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09/01/2011 06:32:03 PM · #1 |
I have taking a look at previous challenges and there certainly, to me anyway, appears to be a trend that the pretty and not necessarily artistically stimulating images score higher.
Is this simply human nature where there is a reluctance to accept those images that provoke other emotions like fear or sadness?
In my mind any image that can cause an emotion to well up in a person is a successful image, thoughts???? |
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09/01/2011 06:39:57 PM · #2 |
Often, but not always:
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09/01/2011 06:42:39 PM · #3 |
It's an old story :-( Bottom line: as a rule, the highest-scoring images are the ones that nobody feels negative about. So any time we go out on an artistic limb, we pay a price, and that price is that a certain percentage of voters will very much dislike what we've done, for whatever reason. As a result, the score will be lower. Unobjectionable images, by and large, do better at sites like this where the public votes.
In a similar vein, "universal" symbols work better than culture-specific symbols (enter an American flag image these days and you're doomed), happy does better than sad, sharp does better than blurry, smooth does better than grainy, and so forth. There are always exceptions, of course, but that's pretty much how it is.
R.
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09/01/2011 06:43:03 PM · #4 |
Parsed the links... Those aren't really fair examples though, Paul, because they are challenges that specifically ask the contestants to go out on those artistic limbs, and the voters mostly know that coming in.
R.
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09/01/2011 06:45:16 PM · #5 |
Thanks, I was on an iPad and the copy/cut/paste dialogue covered the parsing icons!
Point taken Robert, but I wanted to show that the DPC community knew how to produce such material - that the capability to make and to appreciate it was there; but suppressed through the inevitable implicit conspiracy. Making the case for a steady stream of interesting title challenges. :-)
Message edited by author 2011-09-01 18:49:01. |
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09/01/2011 06:48:26 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It's an old story :-( Bottom line: as a rule, the highest-scoring images are the ones that nobody feels negative about. |
There's a whole lot of truth in that. What separates a really good photo from a great photo is emotional impact. Technical perfection alone does not guarantee a high score. When the emotional impact is negative, e.g. revulsion, you can bet that a *lot* of voters will score based on their reaction, and not think "wow, that photo really mad me feel something; it got the message across."
Which is why I considered this shot:
a huge victory. It was intended to evoke revulsion, and judging by the comments, it did its job well. It's not even technically perfect, LOL. But it finished very highly, in fact much higher than I anticipated. |
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09/01/2011 06:49:45 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It's an old story :-( Bottom line: as a rule, the highest-scoring images are the ones that nobody feels negative about. So any time we go out on an artistic limb, we pay a price, and that price is that a certain percentage of voters will very much dislike what we've done, for whatever reason. As a result, the score will be lower unobjectionable images, by and large, do better at sites like this where the public votes.
In a similar vein, "universal" symbols work better than culture-specific symbols (enter an American flag image these days and you're doomed), happy does better than sad, sharp does better than blurry, smooth does better than grainy, and so forth. There are always exceptions, of course, but that's pretty much how it is.
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09/01/2011 06:57:33 PM · #8 |
you are not hallucinating ... DPC is not about art. it IS about commercial/stock/portrait stuff. iow, "professionals and wannabee pros" (fine art pros need not apply). but hell its fun and I love to see how my scoring for art stacks up against commercial stock stuff grading. lets hear it for water drops and borders! oh boy!!
THE REAL QUESTION IS: where do artists go? is there a "dpc" type site we should know about? I am all ears (eyes?).
gl
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09/01/2011 07:00:54 PM · #9 |
Other things that get penalized - images not following rule of thirds, placing focal point in the center.
But the real problem with artistic is that it is so subjective. There have been endless discussions on this topic.
If you would like some recognition of your artistic images try to get them published at 1x.com. A lot of DPC frequent winners have never had their images published at 1x which is some measure of what popular vote at DPC likes vs what screeners at sites like 1x consider art. However, there have been some DPCers who have been successful on both DPC and 1x.com like  gyaban. |
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09/01/2011 07:07:40 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
If you would like some recognition of your artistic images try to get them published at 1x.com. A lot of DPC frequent winners have never had their images published at 1x which is some measure of what popular vote at DPC likes vs what screeners at sites like 1x consider art. However, there have been some DPCers who have been successful on both DPC and 1x.com like gyaban. |
However, 1x is as biased in its own way as DPC is. 1x is slick, but I don't think of it as particularly "artistic", or at least not "art" as I conceptualize it. Lovely photographs there for sure, though.
In the event, I think that the bimmer coupe guy is after is a *competition/social* environment like DPC but populated by artistic, rather than commercial, spirits... As far as I know this doesn't exist, and I suspect it's a contradiction in terms and could never survive.
R.
Message edited by author 2011-09-01 19:18:13. |
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09/01/2011 07:35:46 PM · #11 |
Usually but not always:  |
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09/01/2011 07:53:57 PM · #12 |
| In general eye-candy wins the day - though, as others have mentioned, the odd one gets through. Just take photos that you enjoy and thumb your nose at the DPC crowd. |
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09/01/2011 08:08:16 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Sevlow:
In general eye-candy wins the day - though, as others have mentioned, the odd one gets through. Just take photos that you enjoy and thumb your nose at the DPC crowd. |
But then why does everyone wants to get a ribbon? There are a lot of contradictions in this. Why be on a competition-based site if you don't like winning? |
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09/01/2011 08:12:48 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
...Why be on a competition-based site if you don't like winning? |
LOL, lots of reasons:
- Some folks are just contrarians
- Some folks like to "throw spaghetti at the wall" and see what sticks; They love to see how folks will react to out-of-the box images
- Some folks seriously value the inpout (comments, etc) more than the placement
I'm sure there are more, these are just the ones that pop to mind |
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09/01/2011 08:13:27 PM · #15 |
it depends on your definition of "winning"
yes, we are all here for the competition. but that's only a part of what most of us are here for. advice, tips, tricks, feedback, learning.
 this image got a 5.7. Despite recently scoring a 7.25 on another image, I consider it my biggest win to date, with 30 comments during voting and 8 favorites.
winning is different for many of us here. a well received image is a good win for most of us, a nice score is a bonus. |
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09/01/2011 08:24:11 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
If you would like some recognition of your artistic images try to get them published at 1x.com. A lot of DPC frequent winners have never had their images published at 1x which is some measure of what popular vote at DPC likes vs what screeners at sites like 1x consider art. However, there have been some DPCers who have been successful on both DPC and 1x.com like gyaban. |
I tend to agree with Robert. 1x is very much biased to the slick and clean, color and BW. 1x loves eye candy, just not stock candy often seen here. Photraphic risk taking and less than perfect images are discouraged. However, I often enjoy the imagery found on the front page, and I still submit images. Definitely high quality work, but not primarily fine art in my opinion.
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09/01/2011 08:27:27 PM · #17 |
Digital Photography Challenge, to me that states exactly what it is. However much Artistic flavor you want to pile on is great but it remains, digital photography challenge. So I would assume that the photographs, shot digitally, that are pleasing in a standard digital photography consumer biased way would do well for the most part or "have the advantage". Digital Art Challenge, or Digital Telling a Story Challenge, or Digital Art Feelings Getting Across challenge (.com) would probably see higher scores for the artsier among us and the stock photographers would be up a creek with no paddle because their shots lacked emotion or feeling. But just as the previous post shows... just because you don't have a load of ribbons and the highest percentage doesn't mean we all don't know you are amazing at your style.. hence numerous challenges dedicated to those artistic and moving photographers among us that don't fit in the norm.
I enjoy being artistic, I enjoyed the Noir challenge, and the freedom of the free studies... I am new here but already i noticed that it can't offend anyone (no military/political stuff) or be un-standardly-pretty. So, understanding that if you want to go for the ribbons do what you need to do, if you want to get your shots out there and share them with the rest of us because they are great too... then do that... really it doesn't matter this is a website for all of us to post pictures, we all vote, *hopefully receive feedback from those not too scared to lay it on us so that we can LEARN* Some win ribbons and most have their own style and favorite subjects. We all have fun shooting though.
Nick
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09/01/2011 08:46:53 PM · #18 |
Take this comment from one of my four challenge entries being voted on right now.
I'm not sure what about this picture doesn't do it for me... the focus is good, DOF is excellent, lighting is very nice and well planned - it must be the ********* ...
The blocked out word may or may not give my photo away. However, look at the comment...focus is good, DOF is excellent, lighting is very nice and well planned....but not sure why he/she doesn't like it !
Wait till the challenge is over and I'll post the pic on this thread. It will support the OPs theory !
Also, I don't mind the comment, in fact it is probably one I will discuss for years to come !
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09/01/2011 08:49:31 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
- it must be the ********* ...
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photographer? :)
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09/01/2011 09:00:43 PM · #20 |
Is it just me, or has anybody else ever thought about how a gigantic portion of the people on DPC decry "stock photos" and whatever else is the status quo yet evidently vote in favor? The sheer number of people who rail against this are enough to hypothetically sway the vote, but they don't. Why?
Is it only artsy if you yourself did it (in the DPC voter's eyes)? |
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09/01/2011 09:04:44 PM · #21 |
Good point :)
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Is it just me, or has anybody else ever thought about how a gigantic portion of the people on DPC decry "stock photos" and whatever else is the status quo yet evidently vote in favor? The sheer number of people who rail against this are enough to hypothetically sway the vote, but they don't. Why?
Is it only artsy if you yourself did it (in the DPC voter's eyes)? |
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09/01/2011 09:05:38 PM · #22 |
I don't think a gigantic portion of DPC are against "stock photos".
ETA
6 sub 5 votes, 7+ score; and it's not even up to his standards. ;)
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09/01/2011 09:09:56 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by ShutterRev:
Good point :)
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Is it just me, or has anybody else ever thought about how a gigantic portion of the people on DPC decry "stock photos" and whatever else is the status quo yet evidently vote in favor? The sheer number of people who rail against this are enough to hypothetically sway the vote, but they don't. Why?
Is it only artsy if you yourself did it (in the DPC voter's eyes)? |
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I don't think there are that many "railing", they just make a very loud noise :-)
R. |
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09/01/2011 09:15:43 PM · #24 |
| I was just saying good point to this part: "Is it only artsy if you yourself did it", because we can all probably take a step back and re-evaluate after removing that filter from time to time. |
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09/01/2011 09:25:32 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by ShutterRev:
I was just saying good point to this part: "Is it only artsy if you yourself did it", because we can all probably take a step back and re-evaluate after removing that filter from time to time. |
I would argue that this sentiment is provided by the viewer.
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